Has political correctness actually gone mad?

It has feck all to do with making money or looking for social recognition. When you see a group of people with an extremely high rate of suicide attempts*, it's only decent to want something to change that. And generally, it's not giving them a special status/place that helps. It's treating them like normal people and stopping abusive behaviour against them.

*https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Honestly, there is a huge difference between someone suffering from real gender dysphoria and someone who claims to be so just for the sake of attention (which are the ones we were discussing)

People like Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King who claim to be "trans black" are doing more harm than good for marginalized groups and i think the same logic can be applied to real transsexuals (who as you pointed out, has an astounding high rate of attempted suicide) and shills who want to get in on that because they can feel special
 
It has feck all to do with making money or looking for social recognition. When you see a group of people with an extremely high rate of suicide attempts*, it's only decent to want something to change that. And generally, it's not giving them a special status/place that helps. It's treating them like normal people and stopping abusive behaviour against them.

*https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Well, similarly, racism is a very real issue but people who play the race card in inappropriate scenarios (and that definitely happens) do themselves and the cause no favours.
 
Interesting case going through the courts at the moment.

The High Court will rule on whether Christians who express "traditional" views on homosexuality can be barred from gaining professional qualifications after a social work student won the right to challenge his expulsion. Felix Ngole, 39, was removed from a two-year MA course at Sheffield University in February last year after saying during a Facebook debate that "the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin". He received permission to mount a judicial review in a preliminary hearing at the High Court. The full case will be heard later this year.

He is thought to be the first claimant to challenge a decision which barred him from a profession because his religious beliefs made him "unfit to practice".

Have to say my first thought is that he's been harshly/unfairly treated.
 
I like Jordan Peterson, he seems a bit too intense though. Don't think I could sit with him and have a conversation.
Certainly. He's an impressive mind though. In an informal, unstructured conversation like that you can pick the one-trick pony from the real deal.
 
Peterson's debate with Harris was excellent.

He was also on the Rubin Report the other day, was just listening to it in the car.
 
I think its reasonable tbh.
It doesn't particularly matter where the belief comes from, i'd say it make him unfit to treat various patients

Me too. If he was going into mathematics or chemistry then his views don't matter. If he wants to go into social work, then those views will most likely result in people being unfairly treated.
 
Tube driver wins £3,000 for working with a colleague who had swastika and German Iron Eagle tattoos on his leg
  • Dion De Leon discovered Bryan Siequien had a swastika leg tattoo
  • He alleged it caused him 'genuine and material distress' and hurt his feelings
  • An employment tribunal said Mr Siequien’s tattoos did not mean extreme views
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-3-000-colleague-swastika.html#ixzz4h5FkGs3v
 
What happens if I see a few minutes of Downfall or Valkyrie at work and end up emotionally scarred? Maybe a few thousand grand in it for me?

Frankly his abhorrent piercings seem a little more liable to causing severe mental anguish for anyone who sees them.
 
What happens if I see a few minutes of Downfall or Valkyrie at work and end up emotionally scarred? Maybe a few thousand grand in it for me?

Frankly his abhorrent piercings seem a little more liable to causing severe mental anguish for anyone who sees them.
:lol:Those piercings are pretty grim tbf. The thing is he an old bloke, not some guy in his 20s with ropey piercings.
 
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I support transgender people and their rights. It is indeed true that suicide rates among trans-community is high and they probably do need some extra support to transition. But I am not really sure about non-binary gender folks. I am not going to deny that some people want to identify themselves as such since they legitimately feel so but you can't deny or wish away the existence of biological gender type as well. Is it even denied anymore that everyone falls somewhere in between the spectrum of masculinity and femininity? If you are truly non-binary and oscillate between feeling a male or a female, does it really matter that people use a pronoun in tune with your biological gender?
 
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/if-this-is-feminism-its-been-hijacked-by-the-thought-police/

tl, dr summary:

A staunchly feminist assistant professor defended „transracialism“(think of Rachel Dolezal) in an „academic“ :lol: paper, which got published in a feminist journal. She argued is that if we accept self-proclaimed gender roles, we should also accept, that people can choose a different racial identity.

Shit hit the fan and professional social justice warriors lost their shit. She got not just slaughtered on social media, but also her colleagues distanced themselves. To some extent, because they were scared of the public reaction, if they’d support her. To some extend because they are deluded lunatics. People accused her of enacting violence and perpetuating harm. Obviously she is a nasty transphobe. Trans-genocide incoming and all that.

An open letter with hundreds of signatures including those of professors emerged that essentially said “retract and apologize or else….”

The journal editors apologised, she didn’t. They threatened to ruin her career.



Talk about drama. Just defund all of these departments, please. They can do whatever they want with their lives, but don’t waste the money of tax payers on those freeloaders. Citoyens, il est à craindre que la révolution ne dévore successivement tous ses enfantes et n‘engendre enfin le despotisme avec les calamités qui l’accompagnent.

Read more about this here - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

It even has its own wiki entry now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_transracialism_controversy

Hopefully episodes like this will teach left liberals the value of free speech and the danger of outrage.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39921804 - McDonalds apologies for "offensive" TV advert

Is this really worthy of an apology? May be I'm not being as empathetic as I should be.

Quotes like "trying to insinuate that a brand can cure all ills with one meal is insensitive"... if anyone has watched the advert and thinks it's trying to say a bloody big mac can make you forget about your dead dad you're a nutter.
 
I think its reasonable tbh.
It doesn't particularly matter where the belief comes from, i'd say it make him unfit to treat various patients

Why would it make him unfit? He's quoting from the bible, his beliefs don't mean they will affect his professional ethics.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39921804 - McDonalds apologies for "offensive" TV advert

Is this really worthy of an apology? May be I'm not being as empathetic as I should be.

Quotes like "trying to insinuate that a brand can cure all ills with one meal is insensitive"... if anyone has watched the advert and thinks it's trying to say a bloody big mac can make you forget about your dead dad you're a nutter.
Hate that advert and it's on every time. It's about as subtle as a sledgehammer.
 
You can't even compliment a bird now for having nice tits without people saying it's sexist.
 
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Read more about this here - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

It even has its own wiki entry now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_transracialism_controversy

Hopefully episodes like this will teach left liberals the value of free speech and the danger of outrage.

Jesus wept. Looks like the price of progress is far too many people spending far too much time getting far too worked up about stuff that really doesn't matter. Nobody had time for any of this shit when we were all working in factories.
 
You think he should be kicked out of uni for quoting the bible on facebook?
Why would it make him unfit? He's quoting from the bible, his beliefs don't mean they will affect his professional ethics.

I didn't put a huge amount of thought into it but basically yes.
Kicking him out is harsh, but failing him for expressing that he thinks theres something wrong with homosexuality because 'the bible says so' seems reasonable.
(im paraphrasing a paraphrasse at this point so not going to pretend this is a great argument)
 
Why don't we start failing students for believing that god exists in the first place?
 
He's looking to work in social care, his views and how he expresses them are relevant

I've not read the background but presumably at the moment he's only looking to qualify with a degree in social work.

There's also an endless number of jobs where performance could be impacted by personal belief. Social work in particular cannot afford to be choosy,
they need every last soul they can get. Especially if those souls happen to be good hearted Christians.

Would it be right to turf out all the nurses and doctors who hold similar views, for a start?
 
I've not read the background but presumably at the moment he's only looking to qualify with a degree in social work.

There's also an endless number of jobs where performance could be impacted by personal belief. Social work in particular cannot afford to be choosy,
they need every last soul they can get. Especially if those souls happen to be good hearted Christians.

Would it be right to turf out all the nurses and doctors who hold similar views, for a start?

Nurses and Doctors aren't working on patients mental health, if they can stitch you up they've done their job
Social workers are working with the mental wellbeing of vulnerable clients and propagating the idea that theres anything morally or ethically unhealthy with homosexuality
is a damaging one and is an idea that should disqualify them from social work.
Hes not a good hearted christian anyway, hes a judgemental bigot. Social work in particular needs to be choosy
 
Peterson's debate with Harris was excellent.

He was also on the Rubin Report the other day, was just listening to it in the car.

JBP is incredible. I've listened to/watched almost everything that's out there on his YouTube channel. Blows my mind every time.
 
Nurses and Doctors aren't working on patients mental health, if they can stitch you up they've done their job
Social workers are working with the mental wellbeing of vulnerable clients and propagating the idea that theres anything morally or ethically unhealthy with homosexuality
is a damaging one and is an idea that should disqualify them from social work.
Hes not a good hearted christian anyway, hes a judgemental bigot. Social work in particular needs to be choosy

Hmmm... Doctors and nurses who specialise in mental health would disagree with you on that point. I used to be one of them.

Christian values can impact on lots of different aspects of healthcare anyway. What about a GP who is asked to prescribe the morning after pill? Or a gynaecologist who is asked to terminate a pregnancy?

I actually agree that any healthcare practitioner who lets their faith impact on the care that they offer to patients is doing a bad job but I also think they should be allowed to hold opinions like this bloke so long as they don't let them get in the way of doing a good job. Which is definitely possible.
 
Hmmm... Doctors and nurses who specialise in mental health would disagree with you on that point. I used to be one of them.

Christian values can impact on lots of different aspects of healthcare anyway. What about a GP who is asked to prescribe the morning after pill? Or a gynaecologist who is asked to terminate a pregnancy?

I actually agree that any healthcare practitioner who lets their faith impact on the care that they offer to patients is doing a bad job but I also think they should be allowed to hold opinions like this bloke so long as they don't let them get in the way of doing a good job. Which is definitely possible.

Yes, I guess i would normally be specific about them.
I would've thought if they started specifying their beliefs while treating their patient it would be frowned upon lets just say.

This guy putting his viiews forth in a facebook discussion basically kills my point really,
same with the college throwing him off the course rather than just failing him or just distancing themselves from the viewpoint
Its a viewpoint i'd take a distinctly dim view of for someone involved in that field.

It has to be open for discussion though, you need to be open with things like that and debate the point on its own merits (i dont think it has any)
and give people the opportunity to have their views changed, if they cant express their opinion then you cant change it.
So the college acted poorly

If a christian GP is asked to provide the morning after pill to a patient and its legal for them to seek and use it, then i think he should be required to provide it.
Its not his job to decide on the morality of it. I dont think its his job to provide an opinion on the matter either
 
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Yes, I guess i would normally be specific about them.
I would've thought if they started specifying their beliefs while treating their patient it would be frowned upon lets just say.

This guy putting his viiews forth in a facebook discussion basically kills my point really,
same with the college throwing him off the course rather than just failing him or just distancing themselves from the viewpoint
Its a viewpoint i'd take a distinctly dim view of for someone involved in that field.

It has to be open for discussion though, you need to be open with things like that and debate the point on its own merits (i dont think it has any)
and give people the opportunity to have their views changed, if they cant express their opinion then you cant change it.
So the college acted poorly

Yer man's an idiot for not thinking about the potential consequences of posting stuff like that on facebook while training to be a social worker tbf. A better outcome would have been him eventually getting weeded out on the basis of being thick!
 
Yer man's an idiot for not thinking about the potential consequences of posting stuff like that on facebook while training to be a social worker tbf. A better outcome would have been him eventually getting weeded out on the basis of being thick!

Yeah ... maybe.
I dunno, I'm not inclined to take things on facebook / twitter / random forums too seriously
But thats not how its treated, it was definitely naive
 
JBP is incredible. I've listened to/watched almost everything that's out there on his YouTube channel. Blows my mind every time.

Yeah he's shown me that there are psychology classes that are actually worth taking. Can listen to him deconstructing Pinocchio and Harry Potter all day baby.
 
Yeah he's shown me that there are psychology classes that are actually worth taking. Can listen to him deconstructing Pinocchio and Harry Potter all day baby.

He has definitely made me look at my own life and the way I view the world from another perspective.
 
Bit of a hop, step and a jump to get to 'perpetuating rape culture'.
It doesn't. It's pressuring young boys to conform to male stereotypes, though. Nothing out of the ordinary, of course, there is gender pressure everywhere you look in advertising - as it's a very effective way of selling stuff - but still... it should feck off.
 

I tried to but couldn't find the journal's impact factor - they haven't released it and Our Lord Google doesn't have it on the front page. It charges the author $1,350 for every article published. It doesn't seem to show up in SSRN, which Lord Google says is the Pubmed equivalent for social science.
In other words, they should've tried this in a slightly better journal if they wanted to go for the "rot in the field" angle (which I'm sure exists to an extent). But with just this, they've basically just got a "new open access is a money-making racket".

Edit: the fact they could get through under a fictitious name and institute is another hallmark of this breed of open-access.
So far the only truly trustworthy ones have been PloS and maybe (in bio) eLife (though I've spent the last 2 weeks trying unsuccessfully to replicate findings from an eLife paper from a famous author). I do like eLife because they publish reviewer's comments and authors' response with the article. (decision letter in the link)

Edit2: At 1st glance their editorial board looks competent from some known universities. However, the 1st senior editor is a lecturer in tourism. Though the 2nd and 3rd people look credible. So it's not a fully sham journal.
 
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