I think Oscie is now in the lead for hate inspired ramblings against Corbyn 
No responses to what anyone is saying just angry ramblings
No responses to what anyone is saying just angry ramblings
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I am responding to what people say.
My local A&E department has been earmarked for closure. The idea I'd be backing a man whose mere presence as leader means that people are more likely to vote for the party that'd close my A&E department is absolutely bizarre. It's utter delusion. Miles behind in the polls in a system where the Labour party has to be miles ahead to get a slim majority. The contentment with that because Corbyn speaks to big crowds or people with signs is something I just don't understand.
I don't get the refusal to see reality. In your world is Corbyn surging ahead, have the Tories on the ropes, set to sweep into Downing Street. Because he isn't in mine and if he's not in yours why the blind loyalty?
The left online and on social media exist entirely in their own little world. Which is fine but when it hijacks the only party theoretically capable of ousting the Tories and makes that job harder by insisting on an absolutely unelectable leader I'm not getting behind that. At some point maybe winning elections will be considered the lesser of two evils, the other one being perpetual Tory rule.
I mean seriously, we all know the Tories are winning it's just a question of how big is their majority; big or really fecking big. All power to you if you're comfortable with that because Jeremy spoke to some really big crowds in a place with good acoustics, music and very politically biting placards. I'm not on that ship. But enjoy sailing in it on June 9th.
"Yes we lost and have the Tories again but OMG the Libertines!! Like totes lol! Legend!"
My local A&E department has been earmarked for closure. The idea I'd be backing a man whose mere presence as leader means that people are more likely to vote for the party that'd close my A&E department is absolutely bizarre. It's utter delusion. Miles behind in the polls in a system where the Labour party has to be miles ahead to get a slim majority. The contentment with that because Corbyn speaks to big crowds or people with signs is something I just don't understand.
I don't get the refusal to see reality. In your world is Corbyn surging ahead, have the Tories on the ropes, set to sweep into Downing Street. Because he isn't in mine and if he's not in yours why the blind loyalty?
The left online and on social media exist entirely in their own little world. Which is fine but when it hijacks the only party theoretically capable of ousting the Tories and makes that job harder by insisting on an absolutely unelectable leader I'm not getting behind that. At some point maybe winning elections will be considered the lesser of two evils, the other one being perpetual Tory rule.
I mean seriously, we all know the Tories are winning it's just a question of how big is their majority; big or really fecking big. All power to you if you're comfortable with that because Jeremy spoke to some really big crowds in a place with good acoustics, music and very politically biting placards. I'm not on that ship. But enjoy sailing in it on June 9th.
"Yes we lost and have the Tories again but OMG the Libertines!! Like totes lol! Legend!"
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So because the Tories want to close your hospital, you can't support the guy who doesn't want to close your hospital, because he might make people want to vote for the people who want to close your hospital instead?
And presumably you'll be voting for the people who want to close your hospital, to make sure you don't encourage other people to vote for them?
Looks like there's going to be a u-turn on the dementia tax. Has to be one of the worst put together campaigns in recent history.
Rather undermines May's strong and stable shtick.
Thats 2 big flip flops in a year, how can these guys be trusted to negotiate with the EU
Although part of me expected this to happen, they have a habbit of floating extreme policy to then soften it with a less bad version.
Its one of those things the tories get away with but Labour never will
These U-turns allow them to say - "look, we listen to you".
Ultimately a very good move from the Tories, don't see them falling any further in the polls.
Interesting thing about this one is that there are almost as many 18-34s counted as 55+s.
May saying that there will be a cap but won't say what that cap will be, they're even making a bit of a pigs ear of their U-turn.
May saying it's not a U turn when it clearly is, the tories are a little bit rattled, now is the time for Corbyn and Labour to strike if they can
So we've got a completely uncosted manifesto and a key policy from it didn't last a week. What a negotiator.
A complete pigs ear. Is it a u-turn if you don't tell people where you have turned to. If you are defending the policy by saying there will be a cap on costs, the only thing that matters is what that cap is.
She's got an interview with Andrew Neil tonight, I imagine they're scrambling to set a figure in time for that.
They forgot/didn't have room for the self-employed national insurance rise in that list.
If you can, watch this press conference
It's amazing, she is a complete mess
It's amazing, she is a complete mess
She even said the principles of the policy remain the same. That is a quote you'll see a lot in the next few weeks.
You can also add another uncosted element to their manifesto. Strong and stable.
The lady's all for turning.
But, when it comes to leaders debate, not for turning up.
So the policy is still a dementia tax, but it now has an uncosted cap (on what was an already uncosted manifesto).
What a complete shitshow of a u-turn
Anyone have a schedule for upcoming debates/questions for the leaders?
They'll still find a way to spin this as a positive for May
For years we the voter would periodically complain about how similar the parties were becoming, yet now we've got clear blue water i'm not so sure. Objectively, the scale and intend to Labour's spending concerns me in particular. Brexit, UK debt, another financial crisis originating on the continent...we could end up overreaching when caution would be advisable. The uni tuition thing strikes me as such a misdirected and costly gimmick (the equivalent of four Trident replacements over a similar timeframe).
This sort of situation arises with some regularity though, from the Falklands to drone warfare and Islamic State. It leaves a lingering impression with voters, one unfavourable to outcomes you'd imagine. And given Corbyn's propensity to equivocate on unwelcome foreign policy questions, i think the reporters was right to seek a clear statement from him. The alternative is to wade through five minutes for Thornberry-esque BS.
If there's a cap in that range then it won't really be a dementia tax.
How so? It still places the burden of the cost of social care on those who need it (eg dementia sufferers) rather than pooling the cost like the NHS. Or have I missed something? As I read it, they have just put a cap on the amount of 'dementia tax' one could pay.
Yeah not a great attempt
Is this Cameron's legacy? Him looking like he wanted to lose in 2015 but unexpectedly winning has set the tone and now the Tories think that's the way to go?
If the don't have some specifics, they've learnt nothing from this mess. There should have been a cap to begin with, morally and politically. This talk of a dementia tax though and the vigour with which some have pursued it, has been rather shameful IMO. Similar programmes are already in effect at the local level, enacted by Labour and Tory councils every week.
Good point, well made. Now back to Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser.
Theresa Maybe's uncosted manifesto smallprint: Please see green paper to be produced tomorrow (or the next day... or sometime).
Great reporting from the torygraph today
'Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-sausages-causes-60000-britons-fall-annually/
'Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-sausages-causes-60000-britons-fall-annually/
Would you have remained steadfastly loyal to the reprehensible StW over two decades? Why shouldn't people wonder about Corbyn as a result? He's even had the audacity to accept Andrew Murray on his election staff.
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It's basically just the higher Dilnot proposal (I'm pretty sure Corbyn has endorsed the lower 35k figure?) but with a higher bottom level of 100k. "Dementia tax" had potency when you could end up spending hundreds of thousands because of it. The cap element negates that. But the problem is, they haven't budgeted for it at all.
Going to be very interesting to see if the fundamentals on approval, best PM and economic credibility change on this, because it gets at all three.