I'm not so sure that any other religion specifically names other religions as it's enemies from the get go.
Manchester Arena Bombing 22.05.17
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I'm not so sure that any other religion specifically names other religions as it's enemies from the get go.
I don't find radicalization particularly bizarre. We have a long history of ideological loons committing acts of extraordinary evil believing they were in the right to do so, whether commanded by a fuhrer of some kind or a God.
I could really live without seeing another "Pray for Manchester" image. Such a stupid and inappropriate sentiment.
This report of a women acting nervous and fidgeting with her bag on her own, sounds far to suspicious to me.
I hope they find her from CCTV, she could very well have been planning on bombing the other end of the arena.
I hope they find her from CCTV, she could very well have been planning on bombing the other end of the arena.
fecking BBC associating the election campaign to this tragedy!!
feck the election, people have lost their fecking kids!!
feck the election, people have lost their fecking kids!!
Not a fact at all. It has been shown throughout human history that people will use their greed for whatever they want to achieve. Nothing to do with religion. You forget all the great things religion teaches and the great things religious people have achieved.
Have the UK/US armies killed exponentially more children in the middle east because of religion?
The intent from most people are correct even if it's inappropriate. Rather small thing to get upset about.
Why is it inappropriate? It's fine in its intention.
Love, love, love Manchester. Incredible city with a great history, culture and people. Fantastic music. Wonderful sporting culture.
You guys were everywhere today. Thanks.
Just turned on LBC to hear the vigil being criticised, specifically the use of a poem which the presenter thought inappropriate?
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I think I've seen where you went wrong.
No one's told the 70 year old guy who was helping the mums & the prams get on & off our bus the other week. Dressed in all the Muslim garb - while his mate took the piss out of him for doing it, btw.
He finished off by saying, ''it isn't easy going around dressed like this y'know'' - and most people laughed, with a bit of 'cringe' thrown in perhaps.
We have a small but quite visible Muslim community - a high % of their women look a bit nervous when they are out & about and I've seen a couple of instances of that pass-agg shite where people say stuff that they know can be overheard.
Which one of the two, do you you think is the better way of doing it?
You just know that Trump, May etc will use this attack as a justification for some of their policies.
In its overtly religious connotations. There must be a more thoughtful way of expressing sympathy and solidarity. Perhaps just simply using those words instead of one charged with history and symbolism like "pray".
And then IS will use these polices as justification for more attacks. It's just a vicious cycle that I don't know how we get out of.
The saddest thing about this incident is that since it was an Ariana Grande, most of the people attending were young girls and their parents who were accompanying them. Majority of the audience would have been under 27. Tragic incident.
I love, love, love Manchester. Incredible city with a great history and culture. Amazing music with Oasis, The Stone Roses, Joy Division. So many great bands and musicians. Great sporting culture and history. Manchester has produced world class athletes and sportspeople.
Stay strong, you beautiful city.
I love, love, love Manchester. Incredible city with a great history and culture. Amazing music with Oasis, The Stone Roses, Joy Division. So many great bands and musicians. Great sporting culture and history. Manchester has produced world class athletes and sportspeople.
Stay strong, you beautiful city.
What percent have sympathy with ISIS and Al Queda? What percent condemn violence against cartoonists of Muhammed? What percent condemn Salman Rushdie's death sentence? It's all greater than 1%:
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/...ary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think
There's clearly a problem here, maybe the solution is in schools, which would need funding, so that won't happen under the Tories.
I don't agree with that and anyway it's sort of redundant by the fact Christinianty is largely replaced by atheism but yes in the past Christianity could be an oppressive tool that Islam is today. The remaining Christians in our soceity generally don't have violent preachers anymore, Islam does.
The problem is though the barbaric actions that were considered acceptable in Arab society 1400 years ago is considered the 'ideal man' Islamically today.
Someone I know was keen to tell me the bomber was the son of asylum seekers. People and their agendas.
Woke up to the news this morning and my heart has been breaking all day.
I know two people who were at the concert who thankfully were unharmed and are fine.
Despite my location, which I haven't been arsed to change, I'm no longer in Manchester. I'm not far away though, and it still plays a huge part in my life. My brother lives there, most of my friends live there.
I love the place; the people, the bars, the architecture, just love it. When something like this happens and it strikes at a place you know so well and love so much, it is hard to digest.
Manchester and its people are hard as feck though. They never forget their fallen or hurt but they will move on and thrive.
And to those who lost their lives, to those who are hurt and to their families and friends, my thoughts and prayers are with them all.
As for those in the emergency service and everyone who has helped in whatever way they could, great or small, they are all absolute heroes.
I know two people who were at the concert who thankfully were unharmed and are fine.
Despite my location, which I haven't been arsed to change, I'm no longer in Manchester. I'm not far away though, and it still plays a huge part in my life. My brother lives there, most of my friends live there.
I love the place; the people, the bars, the architecture, just love it. When something like this happens and it strikes at a place you know so well and love so much, it is hard to digest.
Manchester and its people are hard as feck though. They never forget their fallen or hurt but they will move on and thrive.
And to those who lost their lives, to those who are hurt and to their families and friends, my thoughts and prayers are with them all.
As for those in the emergency service and everyone who has helped in whatever way they could, great or small, they are all absolute heroes.
I can do without this poet though. Looks like a right bellend.
Great post mate.
Does it matter? They're expressing solidarity in what they see as the best way possible. If a Christian thinks it'll help to pray for them, I don't see the issue. Doesn't harm anyone.
Was he lying?
No, he wasn't.
The most disappointing thing about the vast majority of these attacks across the world is most the people involved have been welcomed into the countries they attack against.
I think people have a right to be a little bit pissed off about it in fairness.
I have a friend who was at the concert. She's safe. Was leaving the Arena when the blasts occurred. She's terribly shaken. Just wanted to enjoy a show and the evening with her friends. My heart is breaking.
The police and emergency services personnel are heroes.
The police and emergency services personnel are heroes.
This is the sad reality here. Children on both sides will lose their parents to bomb attacks (suicide or otherwise), and these same children will grow up hating the other "side."
I despair at the state of the world sometimes.
King Eric has done a beautiful video message of support for Manchester.
Just watching sky news and they reeled off name after name after name of people still unaccounted for, still missing in the aftermath of this tragedy.
Where are they?
Where are they?
People mean well with it even if the act doesn't really make a difference. I think it's the thought that counts.
Winning? What is this then. We're just stood around whilst they're blowing us up. If this is us winning then we are well and truly fecked because this is never going to end and there will be events that make this look tame.
Finally worked myself up to be able to post something, because I've been following this thread and updates all day but words have failed me on every occasion thus far. There's probably not much to be said that hasn't already, but honestly all I can say is how heartbreaking what happened is. To think that an 8 year old has lost her life at a place where she went to have fun has really sunk my heart. It's very worrying too, because what legitimate target would a concert like that be for a statement? It's just an act of pure evil and hatred unto innocent victims.
All emergency staff who have worked tirelessly, and the public who stood up for Manchester are absolute heroes, a reminder that humanity is still going strong. These mindless savages won't get away with it and will pay for their crimes, because history has proven that good always triumphs over evil. Carrying on as we were, but never forgetting the beloved lost ones is the best way to give the finger to our would be enemies. I don't even feel anger, just pity at what these people become in order to commit such an atrocity.
All emergency staff who have worked tirelessly, and the public who stood up for Manchester are absolute heroes, a reminder that humanity is still going strong. These mindless savages won't get away with it and will pay for their crimes, because history has proven that good always triumphs over evil. Carrying on as we were, but never forgetting the beloved lost ones is the best way to give the finger to our would be enemies. I don't even feel anger, just pity at what these people become in order to commit such an atrocity.
99.99% don't disagree with those actions. Statistically 4% sympathise with political terrorism and suicide bombings while 32% don't condemn terrorism against those who 'moch the prophet'
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/...ary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think
As for it being discriminatory though, so what? All profiled crimes are discriminatory in nature.
As for mosque survellience, outside of Wahabbi mosques it'd be largely pointless unless they bugged all areas of the mosque and even then picking up leads wouldn't be likely. The police wouldn't have the manpower to analyse it either.
With the IRA, the Catholic v Protestant presentation was always around. Stronger than the unionist v republican labels most of the time. So perhaps not "Christian terrorists", but that was because people felt the need to distinguish between the strands.
Today has been the worst day I've experienced since my mother passed away.
I've been waiting 6 years for tomorrow's match and been excited about it for ages. But as things stand, I don't think I'll have any emotional reaction to it at all: win, lose or draw.
Yesterday was an attack on my home and it just feels really personal.
I've been waiting 6 years for tomorrow's match and been excited about it for ages. But as things stand, I don't think I'll have any emotional reaction to it at all: win, lose or draw.
Yesterday was an attack on my home and it just feels really personal.
I think most of these discussions boil down to a very heated argument currently taking place in France between two scholars of Islamism, Gilles Kepel and Olivier Roy. Kepel claims that the problem is the radicalization of Islam - i.e. the problem is a growing trend within Islam as it currently stands - whereas Roy argues that it is the Islamization of radicalism - i.e. the phenomenon whereby disgruntled individuals filter their destructive tendencies through Islam. I think most of the repetitive discussions on the Cafe that inevitably follow a terror attack go down this road.
That's a good point. Sometimes the self-destructive streak was apparent prior to radicalisation in the form of drugs, mental health issues or criminal behaviour etc.
Other times, from the outside, it's more of a shock. Especially with seemingly successful young men, sometimes well educated and with families of their own, who for whatever reason get drawn towards violence. But the same gets said of other kinds of suicide and violence - how often do you hear those "he seemed ok" words after the event.
This has been on my mind tooJust watching sky news and they reeled off name after name after name of people still unaccounted for, still missing in the aftermath of this tragedy.
Where are they?
The guy was known to the authorities. The problem is the level of funding required to keep tabs on all of them on the watch list.
Such a crying shame about what has happened last night.
My thoughts are with people of Manchester and all other poor souls that were brutally dragged into this bloody affair. I wish all directly affected ones as speedy recovery as possible.
ISIS is a cancer and just like with disease the timespan of its prosperity is limited. Their days are numbered and one day in the not so distant future they'll fall defeated, cause it is their destiny.
My thoughts are with people of Manchester and all other poor souls that were brutally dragged into this bloody affair. I wish all directly affected ones as speedy recovery as possible.
ISIS is a cancer and just like with disease the timespan of its prosperity is limited. Their days are numbered and one day in the not so distant future they'll fall defeated, cause it is their destiny.
I'd rather be in our shoes than theirs personally.