It's official, better season than team A, B and C...

hellohello said:
Meh, I wouldn't say so; I guess some of you would be happy to finish third in the CL group next year for a chance to win a trophy? Don't understand the logic that not being good enough to compete for the CL is somehow better if you win a trophy they are too good for.

But anyway, today is a good day for you! Enjoy the win, was well deserved and got CL qualification, something that was essential. I'm already excited about next season, shame it's so far away.
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But we weren't in CL, we started the season in Europa and won the damn thing.

What did you achieve by finishing 2nd that we didn't this season? Do you get "Finished 2nd" trophy? You can say you are in good position for next season but the same thing was said last season and the team that finished way below Spurs won the league.
 
All those who said trophyless spurs had a better season than us fail to mention how shit they were in Europe itself. They were knocked out of Champions League group stage and then lost twice to fecking Gent or Genk, can't even remember which shit Belgian club, in the Europa league.

Unlike us they were out of Europe early and where also pretty poor in FA cup. They were never ever challenging for the title. We gave up our league campaign to focus on a bigger prize. We went all the way and won the league cup, and went to the quarter final of the FA cup. 65 matches, lots of injuries and suspensions. We won in Europe, they are in pot 3 we are in pot 2. Feck there season. I would never want that season. They challenged for nothing.
 
Spurs obviously had a more enjoyable season when it was still underway. We certainly didn't enjoy a lot of it. At the end of the day though, we achieved exactly the same CL qualification as them and came out a couple of trophies ahead. Spurs haven't exactly won that many trophies in their history and the last one is some time ago, they could've done with one. Especially the Europa League, I'm certain their fans would've loved it had they won it. Even the smaller trophies could prove to be stepping stones to bigger successes, it has worked that way for many teams in the past.

Spurs have a lot of reasons for optimism for the future while we're under no illusions we need to improve signficantly next season. That said, for all their great performances and results, Spurs have nothing to show for it so far.
 
So if City finished 3rd in their CL group and ended up in EL and then proceeded to win the competition while finishing ahead of United in the PL table, would their season be considered more successful? What if either Liverpool or Tottenham instead of concentrating on the domestic league decided to go for the EL instead and won it while finishing outside of the top four?

Considering the level of competition in the EL, I'd argue that any of the teams that finished above United in the PL would have a very good chance of winning it if they made it their priority. It only became a priority for United when Mourinho realized things are not going well in the PL.
 
antihenry said:
So if City finished 3rd in their CL group and ended up in EL and then proceeded to win the competition while finishing ahead of United in the PL table, would their season be considered more successful? What if either Liverpool or Tottenham instead of concentrating on the domestic league decided to go for the EL instead and won it while finishing outside of the top four?

Considering the level of competition in the EL, I'd argue that any of the teams that finished above United in the PL would have a very good chance of winning it if they made it their priority. It only became a priority for United when Mourinho realized things are not going well in the PL.
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Obviously yes.
 
antihenry said:
So if City finished 3rd in their CL group and ended up in EL and then proceeded to win the competition while finishing ahead of United in the PL table, would their season be considered more successful? What if either Liverpool or Tottenham instead of concentrating on the domestic league decided to go for the EL instead and won it while finishing outside of the top four?

Considering the level of competition in the EL, I'd argue that any of the teams that finished above United in the PL would have a very good chance of winning it if they made it their priority. It only became a priority for United when Mourinho realized things are not going well in the PL.
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And when he rejoined Chelsea he constantly belittled Rafa's Europa League win with Chelsea.
 
If Arsenal win the FA cup you could argue the entire top 6 would be happy (par Man City maybe, and who would have called that in September!).
 
antihenry said:
So if City finished 3rd in their CL group and ended up in EL and then proceeded to win the competition while finishing ahead of United in the PL table, would their season be considered more successful? What if either Liverpool or Tottenham instead of concentrating on the domestic league decided to go for the EL instead and won it while finishing outside of the top four?

Considering the level of competition in the EL, I'd argue that any of the teams that finished above United in the PL would have a very good chance of winning it if they made it their priority. It only became a priority for United when Mourinho realized things are not going well in the PL.
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How is that even a question? City have had a drab season. They survived their CL group and proceeded to fail spectacularly at the first hurdle against what many would've considered modest opposition beforehand. How could anyone prefer that over winning an actual European trophy? It's not as if they had much reason to celebrate their league season either.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Liverpool and City? Yes Spurs? No.
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I think any Spurs fan would rather be in our place. I'm not talking about performances here but purely the better achievement this season. We have 2 trophies and CL qualification. They have just the CL qualification and got knocked out of the group stages.
 
abhayselvan said:
I think any Spurs fan would rather be in our place. I'm not talking about performances here but purely the better achievement this season. We have 2 trophies and CL qualification. They have just the CL qualification and got knocked out of the group stages.
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Spurs fans here seem to think they had a better season. And I would take their season over ours. I would much rather watch an unbeaten season at home than our constant draws at home.
 
Ainu said:
How is that even a question? City have had a drab season. They survived their CL group and proceeded to fail spectacularly at the first hurdle against what many would've considered modest opposition beforehand. How could anyone prefer that over winning an actual European trophy? It's not as if they had much reason to celebrate their league season either.
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Do you honestly think that City would have a problem of beating the opposition you've faced in the EL? Those teams would be fighting relegation if they were in the PL.
 
antihenry said:
Do you honestly think that City would have a problem of beating the opposition you've faced in the EL? Those teams would be fighting relegation if they were in the PL.
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Well the team that finished above them certainly had problems...
 
antihenry said:
Do you honestly think that City would have a problem of beating the opposition you've faced in the EL? Those teams would be fighting relegation if they were in the PL.
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I don't see the relevance of that question. Had they faced the teams we faced, they would've been expected to beat those and I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow if they did. They weren't there though, they didn't play those games and they didn't win a European trophy.

antihenry said:
Just like I said, it wasn't a priority for them. Of course now that United won it, it's suddenly the holy grail of all trophies.
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Nobody said that. That's an awful post.
 
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abhayselvan said:
I think any Spurs fan would rather be in our place. I'm not talking about performances here but purely the better achievement this season. We have 2 trophies and CL qualification. They have just the CL qualification and got knocked out of the group stages.
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I wouldn't and I doubt you'll find many who would. And if I could chose I'd rather have Leicester or Manchester City's European campaigns to yours.

Congratulations on winning the EL, but I don't put much value on it, the CL qualification is essential though.

Obviously United fans are going to put value on the EL now, but I can't remember a single time you believed that the EL winners had a better European campaign than you when you were knocked out in the later stages of the CL. When you were runners up behind Barca, no way would you accept that the EL winners had a better season because 'trophy > no trophy'.
 
hellohello said:
I wouldn't and I doubt you'll find many who would. And if I could chose I'd rather have Leicester or Manchester City's European campaigns to yours.

Congratulations on winning the EL, but I don't put much value on it, the CL qualification is essential though.

Obviously United fans are going to put value on the EL now, but I can't remember a single time you believed that the EL winners had a better European campaign than you when you were knocked out in the later stages of the CL. When you were runners up behind Barca, no way would you accept that the EL winners had a better season because 'trophy > no trophy'.
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Can tell you're a Spurs fan, you have no idea what winning trophies actually feels like.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
The league is by far the most important thing in my book. And people like to downplay finishing in the top 4 but, not qualifying for the CL through league position means not only did you not win the title you did not come close to challenging for it which is unacceptable for a side like Manchester United. I do not care what else we did being this far from the title is poor.
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Your post means you assess a season only based on one competition and without considering context?

We played half a season games more than the champions and many games more than the rest of the chasing pack. Doesn't this count for anything?

We won two trophies that 2nd placed Spurs crashed out of. Doesn't that count for anything?

We had player after player injured. Doesn't that mean anything?

We had a poor league run but did super well in the cup runs. Even our poor league run wasn't as bad as the league table shows. We were 'good finishing' away from top two.
 
hellohello said:
I wouldn't and I doubt you'll find many who would. And if I could chose I'd rather have Leicester or Manchester City's European campaigns to yours.

Congratulations on winning the EL, but I don't put much value on it, the CL qualification is essential though.

Obviously United fans are going to put value on the EL now, but I can't remember a single time you believed that the EL winners had a better European campaign than you when you were knocked out in the later stages of the CL. When you were runners up behind Barca, no way would you accept that the EL winners had a better season because 'trophy > no trophy'.
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Context matters of course. When we were runners up behind Barça we were Premier League champions so we had every reason to be extremely happy about our season. We had also won the CL itself very recently. And playing and losing the final is a lot different to getting knocked out relatively early. Spurs though, you haven't won a trophy in a very long time. You may not see it that way now but I really do believe you would've been delighted with this trophy. And I'm dead certain Leicester City fans would've been.
 
Hard to argue that you've not had a better season than City in substance really. Both clubs come away with CL football and you've got two trophies alongside it. The fact that you needed to win the EL to garauntee CL is irrelevant now because you won the game. Neither side will consider a season truely successful until they win the PL or CL, but comparatively this season there is no doubt United will be happier of the two.
 
antihenry said:
So if City finished 3rd in their CL group and ended up in EL and then proceeded to win the competition while finishing ahead of United in the PL table, would their season be considered more successful? What if either Liverpool or Tottenham instead of concentrating on the domestic league decided to go for the EL instead and won it while finishing outside of the top four?

Considering the level of competition in the EL, I'd argue that any of the teams that finished above United in the PL would have a very good chance of winning it if they made it their priority. It only became a priority for United when Mourinho realized things are not going well in the PL.
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Spurs played their best team and lost in Europa league.
 
GM K said:
Your post means you assess a season only based on one competition and without considering context?

We played half a season games more than the champions and many games more than the rest of the chasing pack. Doesn't this count for anything?

We won two trophies that 2nd placed Spurs crashed out of. Doesn't that count for anything?

We had player after player injured. Doesn't that mean anything?

We had a poor league run but did super well in the cup runs. Even our poor league run wasn't as bad as the league table shows. We were 'good finishing' away from top two.
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People here are just saying TROPHIES and stripping away all context so I am not the only one. Yes we played more games than anyone else but, that usually comes with being an elite club. Our injury issues only became really bad late in the season and we already far out of it by then. And if you spend the whole season missing chances it is not bad luck or anything you just not very good at finishing. Goals decide matches you can not just isolate it from the rest of Football since it is basically the whole point of the game.
 
We have apart from Chelsea. As far as expectations/level of play and outlook for the future, I think in relative terms, Spurs have done better. Arguably Liverpool too as I think they've overachieved.

Edit: Just remembered how shit Spurs were in the CL and then EL. Statement withdrawn.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
People here are just saying TROPHIES and stripping away all context so I am not the only one. Yes we played more games than anyone else but, that usually comes with being an elite club. Our injury issues only became really bad late in the season and we already far out of it by then. And if you spend the whole season missing chances it is not bad luck or anything you just not very good at finishing. Goals decide matches you can not just isolate it from the rest of Football since it is basically the whole point of the game.
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Before Rojo, Zlatan injuries, we have every right for top 4 finish.

If you're talking about challenging then by the time of Christmas & New Year schedule it's clear that it's Chelsea to lose. It's not only about their position but how unfairly good schedule they got. Tottenham is never near to challenge Chelsea. Unless it's a real title challenge, it's no point sulking about not being as good as Tottenham in the league, who got nothing to boast.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
People here are just saying TROPHIES and stripping away all context so I am not the only one. Yes we played more games than anyone else but, that usually comes with being an elite club. Our injury issues only became really bad late in the season and we already far out of it by then. And if you spend the whole season missing chances it is not bad luck or anything you just not very good at finishing. Goals decide matches you can not just isolate it from the rest of Football since it is basically the whole point of the game.
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What will make you at least a bit happy? PL title?
 
antihenry said:
No, I wasn't gutted. But I knew it was just a consolation prize at the end of otherwise a disappointing season.
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Well then that makes you Mr Negative then. We are allowed to be happy that our team has won a trophy, especially a trophy that will allow us to get back into the UCL and attract world class talent.

We are very aware it's not the EPL or the UCL but it's a damn good start!
 
Berbasbullet said:
I bet you were gutted when you won it under Rafa.
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Can you guess who made this quote.

When I returned, I felt the experience of Chelsea playing Europa League was not good. The Europa League is a different competition (to the Champions League), the Europa League is a different level of competition for a different level of player and a different level of club. It is not good for a big club to go there and win it
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-sights-set-on-winning-Champions-League.html

Embarrassment is not an emotion that Jose Mourinho has had to particularly concern himself with before this season.

But the Chelsea manager is well aware that in a campaign in which humiliation has followed humiliation on almost a weekly basis, there would be no greater personal embarrassment than suffering relegation to the Europa League.

Chelsea were Europa League champions when Mourinho returned to the club in 2013 and it took a matter of weeks for the Portuguese to dismiss the achievement and the efforts of former interim manager Rafa Benitez.

Defeat to Porto at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday night, however, would almost certainly see Mourinho contemplating Chelsea playing in the competition he insisted he would not want to win and claimed was “not good” for the club and players.

Mourinho insists Roman Abramovich would tolerate another serious blow, but Chelsea’s owner first sacked Andre Villas-Boas when the club’s participation in the Champions League was threatened and then dismissed Roberto Di Matteo when relegation to the Europa League was all-but sealed.

Abramovich clearly subscribes to the view Mourinho gave of the Europa League, when he said: “I don't want to win the Europa League. It would be a big disappointment for me. I don't want my players to feel the Europa League is our competition.”

In August this year, Mourinho repeated that view, adding: “When I returned, I felt the experience of Chelsea playing Europa League was not good.

“The Europa League is a different competition (to the Champions League), the Europa League is a different level of competition for a different level of player and a different level of club. It is not good for a big club to go there and win it.”

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So either your manager thinks Chelsea is a bigger club than United or he's just a lying hypocrite.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Can you guess who made this quote.
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Wenger? :wenger:

What's that got to do with anything? We know it's not the UCL, but we have every right to celebrate it since it is the sole reason we are back in it. Not to mention the fact that English clubs traditionally have been awful in it.
 
Some miserable bastards in here, and where is this idea that Tottenham have this amazing future because they finished 2nd twice coming from?
 
Did Jose biggie up EL trophy maybe? No, he prioritized it cause it was a way to secure CL.
Some here are trying their best to be party poopers. Oppo fans U can get,they're salty this morning. United fans? That's what I don't get.
 
antihenry said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-sights-set-on-winning-Champions-League.html

Embarrassment is not an emotion that Jose Mourinho has had to particularly concern himself with before this season.

But the Chelsea manager is well aware that in a campaign in which humiliation has followed humiliation on almost a weekly basis, there would be no greater personal embarrassment than suffering relegation to the Europa League.

Chelsea were Europa League champions when Mourinho returned to the club in 2013 and it took a matter of weeks for the Portuguese to dismiss the achievement and the efforts of former interim manager Rafa Benitez.

Defeat to Porto at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday night, however, would almost certainly see Mourinho contemplating Chelsea playing in the competition he insisted he would not want to win and claimed was “not good” for the club and players.

Mourinho insists Roman Abramovich would tolerate another serious blow, but Chelsea’s owner first sacked Andre Villas-Boas when the club’s participation in the Champions League was threatened and then dismissed Roberto Di Matteo when relegation to the Europa League was all-but sealed.

Abramovich clearly subscribes to the view Mourinho gave of the Europa League, when he said: “I don't want to win the Europa League. It would be a big disappointment for me. I don't want my players to feel the Europa League is our competition.”

In August this year, Mourinho repeated that view, adding: “When I returned, I felt the experience of Chelsea playing Europa League was not good.

“The Europa League is a different competition (to the Champions League), the Europa League is a different level of competition for a different level of player and a different level of club. It is not good for a big club to go there and win it.”

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So either your manager thinks Chelsea is a bigger club than United or he's just a lying hypocrite.
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I'm not even sure the point you're making, I think most people in here agree Chelsea have been the best this season, I think the entire top 6 par City can be happy with their season. (If Arsenal win the cup that is.)
 
Yes.

Said it before, expecting Chelsea to do the double as well to cement them as the best team with the best season.

Does this mean we are currently a better team than the others in the top four? No.
 
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