Yeah, the fact that the negative posts have actually increased following a European trophy win is a bit of a giveaway!
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Yeah, the fact that the negative posts have actually increased following a European trophy win is a bit of a giveaway!
We have improved as a team and we had success on the pitch. Our home form in the league was poor and apart from that we have done well. Also spending big money doesn't mean instant success, take Madrid for example, they spent huge money in 2009 but the team gradually started playing as a team and won everything there is to win. It took years even when they had Ronaldo in their team.
We have improved our team and will continue to do so again this summer.
As opposed to these guys celebrating the real treble?
Now you sound like a bitter chelsea fan.
After adding Ronaldo and co Real were 18 points better in the league we are 3 points better than last season.
As opposed to these guys celebrating the real treble?
Name one United player or staff that said we won the treble. Go on I'll wait
I never said they did.
All right, maybe it was a bad timing to bring these things up. Enjoy your EL win.
Just leave. You're making a mess.
It's ok thanks to your silly post, we got 5 more pictures in this thread of us lifting a european trophy
Madrid were La Liga winners year before they signed Ronaldo. Also Madrid were significantly better than any team except Barca.
Which Mourinho's own signings did? Your point?
It may not be the best scenario, but it's far from unsuccessful, his signings are. By any chances you counting past regime's signings & asking Mourinho to take responsibility for that too?
Or as a team, repeat again: no United manager ever won a trophy in first season (not counting Community Shield), let alone 2 which one is an European trophy which is missing in trophy collection.
Result wise, yes we've had a better season than everyone in England except Chelsea. Having said that, on performances and future, Spurs have been and are quite ahead of us. That could partially change in the transfer window, will need to be translated in to performances.
Looking at the bigger picture, we've had an exceptional season given the situation our club is in.
Looking at the bigger picture, we've had an exceptional season given the situation our club is in.
So he's only responsible for the players he personally signed? Are you serious?
Its even worse because none of those clowns came close to competing for the CL, they just participated and ended up watching the real contenders like the rest of us. Next season they will put a top four finish ahead of progressing in the CL see Liverpool and Spurs over the last three years.
So which of those did they achieve success in? As far as I can tell they failed on both fronts. They could have finished 30 points ahead of us it wouldn't have mattered. Prize money, trophies, pot seeding, whatever metric you care to use, we still out-perform Spurs.
Yeah, we made fun of them when we were winning the league and the Champions League frequently, that's the difference, we were winning things, not bragging about finishing second and ending yet another season without silverware.
You offer Spurs fans the chance to swap our season for theirs if they were being truthful they'd bite our hands off.
Just talking about that one season, of course it doesn't mean much for next year. But Spurs were without a doubt better than Chelsea last year and they are better than us this year. I also don't know why everyone compares us to Pool or Spurs. Those teams shouldn't compete for the league, we should. We are the richest club in the world alongside Bayern, Real and Barca and finishing behind teams who won feck all for a decade. Clearly people can see how expectations play a part in how "good" your season were?
According to some comments Leipzig and Hoffenheim finishing 2nd and 4th in the Bundesliga or Atalanta finishimg 4th or 5th in the Seria A are pointless achievements and only silverware counts despite those teams had no right to win silverware at all. Those teams had a great season and overachieved. We won silverware but no one will call our season amazing. Do you know what I mean? It's a huge difference if Leicester wins the league with 81 points or if City did it. The first one is a miracle, the second one would be an underwhelming title win by the biggest spender against shit competition (similiar to Pellegrini's title win). And Spurs' season is also an more impressive feat than if City or us would have played the same league campaign. You just need to look in the predictions thread, where everyone expected us to compete for the league.
To just look at facts and trophies and ignore a lot of things doesn't sound right for me.
Fixed.
I think that has been one of the biggest negative effects of the new Champions League format. The idea of winning trophies is just considered lesser when fact of the matter is players get medals for winning trophies, fans get a nice day when they win one and you win nothing for finishing 4th.
Not the way you put it: spending big would mean significant improve the team which his signings did. He got more out of other players like Rojo, Herrera, Valencia, Romero, Darmian... too. But since terrible big signings from previous regime add big figure in balance sheet while not performing & pulling the team down then it's solely Mourinho's fault for not doing the better with the resource?
When people look back, undoubtedly yes we've had the better season.
But there's no doubting this is a subdued forum, and the feeling in the pub last night wasn't as electric as it has been in the past. We've played 6/10 football all season, and I think that's caught up with supporters. It's fantastic to win things at the end of a season, but for me (and many others I guess) it's the great performances that stick in the mind, and there haven't been many this year.
Officially better though!
But there's no doubting this is a subdued forum, and the feeling in the pub last night wasn't as electric as it has been in the past. We've played 6/10 football all season, and I think that's caught up with supporters. It's fantastic to win things at the end of a season, but for me (and many others I guess) it's the great performances that stick in the mind, and there haven't been many this year.
Officially better though!
You've spent hours in here belittling Utd after an emotional night where we've won a European trophy to qualify for the Champions League. What are you even trying to achieve here?
Stop being a fecking WUM
Yeah on paper we should blow Spurs out of the water. There is no reason for us to be so far behind them in the league. But, you know TROPHIES.
Said this already, Spurs are a better side than us but it doesn't mean we didn't have a better season.
I just compare the reactions in here since last night to when we got 4th under LVG. You can be happy to qualify for the CL but it doesn't compare to winning something.
I would have saved myself a lot of time if I just wrote that. Great post.
They should not be a better side than us that what frustrates me.
The forum wasn't subdued at all, it was as happy as it has been since the last five years or so. Regarding the pubs, I'm guessing that the attacks in Manchester have a lot to do with that.
Just realised we also won the "Adidas won't cut our sponsorship money" trophy which surely outranks Liverpool's "We drew against West Brom" trophy or Spurs "We finished 2nd" trophy?
.......so effectively a quadruple?
I'm off to look for more 'trophies'..... see if we can get to a septuple by the end of the day.
.......so effectively a quadruple?
I'm off to look for more 'trophies'..... see if we can get to a septuple by the end of the day.
Yes, even if you discount the Carling Cup, which I do as it's a nothing trophy, still a better season than those clubs listed
The point I made is about big picture & what this club often stand for, longer term, reasonable patience with managers. If the previous 2 managers build a better build then we didn't need to spend this much this time. We spend big but not to build on last regime but to fix the problem. We should challenge but it may take time or chance since we have problem. Real, Barcelona, Bayern all have season where they're not challenging for anything in recent memory. In some cases, worse than us without trophy.
The point of this thread is not that we're super happy about our so called achievement, but more about taking the piss on so called "virtual" trophy winners celebrating better positioning on league table.
Leipzig, Hoffenheim, Atalanta may be glad for punching above their weight, but it's not achievement. I haven't heard news of they would go out the street celebrating or go on oppositions' forum bragging about their non achievement over team who actually have trophies to show. Did you?
My two cents on whose season between United and Spurs was better:
Both Spurs and United have got CL football next season. The difference is Spurs are 4 league positions above us while we have won two trophies and they haven't won any. So who had a better season? I don't think the answer is as straightforward either way and it depends on what you value more. Obviously trophies are extremely important and I am absolutely buzzing since yesterday that we won the EL. But league positions are also important - especially for a club like us. They tell us how far we are from our objective of being #1. So hypothetically if West Brom (who are 10th in league) won both the league cup and FA cup whereas we didn't win any, I still wouldn't trade our 6th position with them. Because that would mean it is going to be so much more harder to reach the top in coming seasons.
In reality, I prefer our season to Spurs simply because while we are 6th in the league, that's because of having some specific holes in the squad that would could fill and easily compete at the top next season. And having two trophies, including a European cup is fantastic!
Both Spurs and United have got CL football next season. The difference is Spurs are 4 league positions above us while we have won two trophies and they haven't won any. So who had a better season? I don't think the answer is as straightforward either way and it depends on what you value more. Obviously trophies are extremely important and I am absolutely buzzing since yesterday that we won the EL. But league positions are also important - especially for a club like us. They tell us how far we are from our objective of being #1. So hypothetically if West Brom (who are 10th in league) won both the league cup and FA cup whereas we didn't win any, I still wouldn't trade our 6th position with them. Because that would mean it is going to be so much more harder to reach the top in coming seasons.
In reality, I prefer our season to Spurs simply because while we are 6th in the league, that's because of having some specific holes in the squad that would could fill and easily compete at the top next season. And having two trophies, including a European cup is fantastic!
As opposed to these guys celebrating the real treble?
Have given you a warning for this and your other posts in this thread for blatant wummery. Please don't continue, cheers.
Spurs have shown absolutely nothing in Europe, and in domestic cup competitions they've been disappointing also.
But yes, they play prettier football.
Is there a trophy for playing well and winning nothing?
I know what you're saying but no way! I would trade 6th for 10th and two Cups in a heartbeat, you'd qualify for the same European competition either way and get the trophies!
First of all, no manager is only responsible for his own signings, because they all inherit somebody else's squad for the most part. In that respect Mourinho is no different than any other manager and he should be responsible for how his team performs no matter who signed who. He had plenty of time and plenty of money to prepare for the season and if MU fans were told in August you were gonna finish 6th, people would be quite unhappy, and rightly so.
I also resent that idea that United had a poor squad. You've spent over £400m in the last three years. Granted, some of these players may not be United's level, but there was more than enough quality and depth to finish in the top four. Majority here were betting on the title race being between United and City at the start of the season.
Posts like this are kinda weird, if it bothers you so much, ignore him. Not sure why you seem disturbed that he's been negative in his 10k. If he wants to be negative and post a 100k times, it's on him.
'Football's all about trophies' 'if you're not first you're last'
The players and managers can adopt this attitude. They're employees. For fans, entertainment counts a lot. Actually it's the main thing - being enthused to watch your team week in week out. Trophies or no trophies.
Utd won an FA Cup stopping Liverpool doing the treble in 77. They also got relegated that decade but played exciting football with young players under The Doc. Older Reds still reminisce about those days because they enjoyed following Utd home and away. It was really fun.
If football is all about trophies then you're going to get yourself down. Most teams do not have the resources to win a trophy. You can however play great football. None of us lift the trophies - enjoy the moment but good times don't need trophies. Doing that breeds a 'only sing when you're winning' fan.
The players and managers can adopt this attitude. They're employees. For fans, entertainment counts a lot. Actually it's the main thing - being enthused to watch your team week in week out. Trophies or no trophies.
Utd won an FA Cup stopping Liverpool doing the treble in 77. They also got relegated that decade but played exciting football with young players under The Doc. Older Reds still reminisce about those days because they enjoyed following Utd home and away. It was really fun.
If football is all about trophies then you're going to get yourself down. Most teams do not have the resources to win a trophy. You can however play great football. None of us lift the trophies - enjoy the moment but good times don't need trophies. Doing that breeds a 'only sing when you're winning' fan.
They've scored more goals than we have, 32 more league goals than we have managed. If we were as good going forward, we'd have challenged for the title.
I understand that at the end of the day trophies is what matters the most, but you have to be lying if you think we don't have to improve going forward if we're going to have any chance of having a good season.
I LOVE the way some of the media, and our rivals are trying to downplay this achievement. Before the game there were warning shots being fired left, right and centre about this young, hungry Ajax team. Well rested, well prepared and tactically ready to outclass us.
I don't think so. Tactical masterclass from the very best and just like the Chelsea game we completely dismantled them. But when United win apparently we stumbled across the line (even though that's exactly what Liverpool and City did against Boro and Watford respectively). Then of course the usual resorting to expenditure and the difference between the two teams. Ajax's team are just kids now apparently, not that it mattered in the build up as this meant they were hungrier. The salt is real... Even their manager was salty. His team played boring sideways, sideways, backwards football but apparently we were the boring ones
At the end of the day we have bigger and better things to look forward to so I won't dwell on this much longer.
I don't think so. Tactical masterclass from the very best and just like the Chelsea game we completely dismantled them. But when United win apparently we stumbled across the line (even though that's exactly what Liverpool and City did against Boro and Watford respectively). Then of course the usual resorting to expenditure and the difference between the two teams. Ajax's team are just kids now apparently, not that it mattered in the build up as this meant they were hungrier. The salt is real... Even their manager was salty. His team played boring sideways, sideways, backwards football but apparently we were the boring ones
At the end of the day we have bigger and better things to look forward to so I won't dwell on this much longer.
Does look very suspicious.
They've scored more goals than we have, and have nothing to show for it except CL qualification.
In 10 years time, will they reminisce on the times they scored more goals than everybody?