For a bit of perspective, I just asked my wife what she thinks about DA- she said 'she seems very real, but I wish she had more brains'.
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She is kind of alluding to the same thing, ie others wouldn't.
Good on her for putting her kids first, but does undermine her if she campaigns against private schools.
It wasn't a media savvy or smart way to phrase it, but given the context it's a long way from the spin the media put on it.
McDonnell is far, far, far worse than Abbott and is in a more powerful position, yet gets spoken about in the media far less. Her higher profile from TV work no doubt contributes, but it does feel like she's seen as an easier target.
She's been prominent on TV for years though, whereas loads of people still don't know who he is. I barely see him on TV ever and can only really remember the little red book thing on Budget day.
That quote doesn't improve with time or your attempts to explain it away. Remember she gave out a lot of stick to various Labour MP's who sent their children to private schools. When she herself does it she can't come up with a reasonable excuse other than a pretty insulting racial slur.
Its the same with the divide and rule comment. Its a racist attack on the majority of the population for no reason other than stupidity.
If the remain campaign teaches us anything it would be that people won't vote for you if you put their backs up by calling them racist.
She is a politician and you assume she should be able to choose her words better than most.
That's a better description than almost every other British politician, I would compliment only a handful by calling them real.
For what it's worth, I judge Abbott in the same view as other politicians, and I view few of them highly, I don't particularly view her highly either.
However she is absolutely a role model for young black women who try to pursue careers in politics, law, journalism etc. doesn't mean she is perfect, but there's very few of us in such high positions of power. If there were 10-15 other female black politicians in similar positions, maybe Abbott wouldn't be as problematic.
But then you have to question why there's a clear lack of representation - and it's not like none of us try, but even then given the treatment she gets, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to pursue it either.
I've no problem with you being harsh with me for saying this but I don't think being part of the political mainstream suits her at all.
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten how hard done by and oppressed us poor white people are, and what terrible racism we constantly face by those mean minorities..
You're deflecting here. We may be the majority and for the most part don't face any racial prejudice, especially compared with minorities who tend to get it much harder, but that doesn't mean that Abbott gets off the hook for making racist comments. Especially when she's done it on multiple occasions.
I think that depends on exactly what you want the 'political mainstream' to represent. Personally, I think the entirety of it is a shambles.
Abbott is a worse actor than almost every politician, Boris gets by on being a goof that waffles a lot so people are endeared towards him. Abbott has no such personality, and doesn't try to pretend to be anything she is not. Are they both ideal representations to lead us? No.
Most of them aren't. However the focus is almost always on Dianne, at some point you have to wonder why.
Pointed this out before but the chancellor of the exchequer thought HS2 cost £32bn not £52bn. The Tory manifesto costed 7p per child for their breakfast policy. Amber Rudd claimed the average police officer earned £40,000 a year. Anyone who says those incidents got even 1% of the ridicule Diane Abbott got is a fecking liar.
Sure.
I was just about to add this edit to my previous post. Johnson being at the forefront of my thinking, obviously.
''Having said that, it shouldn't suit some of the Tory absolute weapons either but they seem to get away with it, much more than (any of, even) their Labour counterparts. The Conservative (conservative) message is more prevailing status quo & Establishment (characterised by being generally white, middle class & their home ownership) I suppose.''
My wife's from Mauritius and has a low opinion of politicians too, as corruption is endemic over there.
The issue of representation obviously remains huge and one we wrestle with when it comes to choosing cover stars for our magazine, for example. Finding senior black women in investment management is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
It's true, and they're doing a decent job of hiding him away whilst she has to be towards the forefront in the wake of Manchester, but generally he deserves far more criticism than she does (and it still reflects badly on Corbyn that he appointed both).
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.
What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.
I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1
It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
This says it all.
No politician should continue to have a career after the things Johnson has said, however what he says falls in line with many people's thinking therefore it's not a problem.
But Abbott doing anything that could even imply racism? It follows her entire career and she will forever be tarnished as a racism.
Again - you have to ask yourself why that is.
Representation of people of colour, let alone female people is going to be difficult in this country & most western countries, we could talk deeply about that, but it will derail the thread.
Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Black people over White people
Cool, if you don't mind me asking, what is your ethnicity and how ethnically mixed was the area where you grew up?
I don't really get that test. I took it as more of a memory or mental agility test between which way round the options are, rather than finding any implict racist notions.
Here is your result:
Your data suggest no automatic preference between African Americans and European Americans.
Here is your result:
Your data suggest no automatic preference between Black people and White people.
I did the homosexuality one and discovered I have a strong automatic preference for straight people.
I should try meeting some.
I should try meeting some.
I have a preference towards black people over white people, not surprised at all
I can't be bothered to do it, so I have an automatic preference for laziness.
Sure - I'm white and grew up in rural south west wales (born in 1966). In my first 18 years of life, I only remember 2 kids who were not white. I was friends with both of them.
I don't know if there's a correlation between my upbringing (in that I had very limited exposure to other cultures) and my ambivalence towards the colour of someone's skin.
On a side note, my sister married a Nigerian guy and my wife is of mixed white/indian heritage, so maybe it's a familial thing?
The quiz broke on me
It had probably never seen such racism.
I tried that quiz and it showed that I'm a massive, massive, massive, massive racist.
No, wait... actually, no, it didn't.
No automatic preference.
No, wait... actually, no, it didn't.
No automatic preference.
'We want a better future': young first-time voters reveal who's firing them up
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...oung-first-time-voters-swing-general-election
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...oung-first-time-voters-swing-general-election
Fair play to them for finding people who could put you off voting Labour, Conservative, SNP, Lib Dems, Greens and even abstaining.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/this-is-the-worst-tory-election-campaign-ever/
An entertaining read, which makes some fair points.
An entertaining read, which makes some fair points.
I was given that test a year ago, it was for male/female rather than race.
Am I the only sexist on here?
All you guys aren't racist at all. I feel excluded.
Am I the only sexist on here?
All you guys aren't racist at all. I feel excluded.
I was given that test a year ago, it was for male/female rather than race.
Am I the only sexist on here?
All you guys aren't racist at all. I feel excluded.
It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind.
Almost enough to make you wonder about the worth of the test.It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind.
That link doesn't work for me, but if I go to the home page, I see different tests. Which one should I take? Race test?
Common sense that everyone of every creed and colour has a level of implicit bias but that test has long been viewed as more than a little flawed.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...tion-test-iat-really-measure-racial-prejudice
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...tion-test-iat-really-measure-racial-prejudice
Yeah, thats the one. You can just skip past the early questions, thats for their data its not part of the test.
They can be as professional as they like, you can't make an accurate online test for prejudice. Even when the theory behind the test works it's only testing connections in the brain so someone who like those you mentioned spending their lives battling racism are going to do a lot of thinking about racism and thus have the connections.Well you know those Harvard professors, known for their amateur ways.