How quiet this thread has gone sums it up for me
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Really? He's my mum's MP and seems to have no concept about how the EU actually works.
It certainly sums up that the debate has finished. Good observation.
At the end of the day - Corbyn needed to be perfect, and while he was good, it just wasn't enough:
Basically his stance on civil liberties is more sane than most politicians.
Interesting. May's just awful. I can't understand why Lynton Crosby's election strategy seems to have boiled down to pushing her front and centre, and ignoring anything else.
And nice one. Stella Creasy is still the perfect constituent MP out east, in Vauxhall I've no idea what Kate Hoey's like. Hopefully she gets the boot and I don't find out.
Say what you like about Diane, she does have cut-through!Godmother has moved out there. I promised at Christmas that I would help her with the move instead of getting her a present. Considering the most expensive gift I've given her in recent years was a Frozen DVD this was maybe a silly idea.
Had some interesting conversations with a bunch of Fillon supporters as well. They distrusted Macron but obviously voted for him, and think he's played a blinder by convincing some people he's in any way a socialist. On the UK election, the first comment was "that Diane Abbott is a fecking mad woman".
Glad you're back for the final stretch, much insanity awaits
I don't think anything substantial was said, no momentum made or destroyed. The headlines tomorrow will have to pick something completely out of context, or be rather subdued. We've learned nothing. A boring 1-1 draw between two mid-table teams, on a bank holiday night where everyone's mind is already on work tomorrow.
If May can just keep her mouth shut for the next 10 days, she will get her improved majority, albeit by around 20 seats instead of 100. Corbyn will stand down, but feel he's put his policies and agendas back into the public imagination. Both will go away happy.
To be honest, I'm not sure how you can find a 20 seat majority for the Tories the most likely outcome whilst being sure they have it in the bag. I don't feel these two go together.
The lady who actually believed the NHS would get £350m for leaving the EU.
So May Paxman won?
Just reading up on that now- had forgotten all that- still not sure about him, but I guess at least he has some principles, which is something in this day and age.
I think it was @712 who said earlier that we all thought she was a solid, if unspectacular politician, but no-one could have foreseen the weak and wobbly stuff.
I work in Vauxhall- would guess it's more Labour but given the high end riverside developments now cheek to jowl with the masses of social housing, it's anyone's guess tbh.
The lady who actually believed the NHS would get £350m for leaving the EU.
shouldn't laugh but..Why, what's happened?
Evidence that funding for education is necessary for the future of the country.The lady who actually believed the NHS would get £350m for leaving the EU.
Btw, did anyone see that they interviewed the Labour voter who confronted Corbyn on tax- he basically said that he wouldn't vote for him because it would cost him too much but that they need to increase spending..
The lady who actually believed the NHS would get £350m for leaving the EU.
She would have voted for Trump has she been american.
Not far off.
Maybe not, and it's anyone's guess what the majority is going to be
Betfair are giving it a 50% chance of being over 80 seats.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.131146542
But for me, Tories have suffered over the last few weeks, but nowhere near enough to prevent them from securing their slight victory
Yep, I respected him for resigning over 28 day detention, and for taking the UK Govt to court over online surveillance.
I can see why he considers Corbyn a friend even if they are very dissimilar- both principled.
I expect a healthy Tory win. Not the kind of win May thought she could get but more than twenty.
Did you expect anything else?
TV debates, interviews, and this sort of adversarial debating rarely produce anything of note and are mostly an exercise in damage limitation. The only people who ever make significant gains on these things are the ones who are both good orators and unknown to the public like Clegg in 2010.
For the rest its a largely pointless exercise that does nothing but give politics nerds the chance to enjoy watching the other party squirm. I'm not even convinced many people watch them.
Spot on.
And even that turned out to be made of sand when they ended up losing seats on election day.
You're entirely right, and no I didn't really expect anything else. Whether it's the US Presidential debates or a local debate on some local issue, they don't tend to make much difference. They are also an ineffective form of marketing in themselves.
But if there was to be a halt to the Tory train, it had to happen here. I don't think we saw it though. It's rather deflating.
Got an extra 1 million votes though if I recall.
The laughs May was getting out of the audience as she fumbled were more like on a late night chat show.
That was funny. I remember the bemusement on the faces of senior Lib Dems till this day. They couldn't believe they'd actually done worse than in 2005. Then they failed to scrap FPTP.
Wrong battles in hindsight. So many mistakes.
It's unbelievable they agreed to form a government without asking for PR to be the first thing that gets approved.
Sums it up for me.
Yeah increased vote share a bit, but getting 23% when you were polling about 27% will always feel extra defeating. There's probably a lesson there about polls and young voters
They increased their vote share by a percentage point.
Ah the joys of FPTP. You have to assume people ideologically attracted to them voted with their brain in marginal seats on the day.
Theresa May: A bloody difficult woman to take seriously.
I wish that they weren't being so obvious with the talking point.
One of the strongest assets that Corbyn has is his authenticity- it's a but blatant and politics as usual to hear every Labour party member saying the same line. Leave that to Maybot and the Machine.
Just caught up with that, absolute car crash from May. Felt Corbyn dealt with it very well, doubt these interviews really change many people's opinions though.
People forget this. They think that the Lib Dems did well in 2010.