General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
I have no idea why the internment of the Palestinians who bombed the Israeli embassy was a roadblock to the Irish peace process, because Corbyn was protesting that too.

I also don't know why he was against the peace negotiations going on at the same time he was campaigning for the release of convicted IRA terrorists.

Don't make out it was all part of some righteous plan.
How do I block idiots?
 
He's missing more than that. He's missing his government's role in the 'cash flow problem'.


Most nurses don't use food banks. Most people who earn less than nurses don't use food banks. I think the nurse in questioned earned £25,000 a year. Not a fantastic wage but there are people who earn a lot less than that who manage their finances and don't rely on food banks.
 
I have no idea why the internment of the Palestinians who bombed the Israeli embassy was a roadblock to the Irish peace process, because Corbyn was protesting that too.

I also don't know why he was against the peace negotiations going on at the same time he was campaigning for the release of convicted IRA terrorists.

Don't make out it was all part of some righteous plan.

@Denis Irwin click on his profile then ignore. I just did
 
Most nurses don't use food banks. Most people who earn less than nurses don't use food banks. I think the nurse in questioned earned £25,000 a year. Not a fantastic wage but there are people who earn a lot less than that who manage their finances and don't rely on food banks.
This irrelevance does not remotely justify his comment.
 
Most nurses don't use food banks. Most people who earn less than nurses don't use food banks. I think the nurse in questioned earned £25,000 a year. Not a fantastic wage but there are people who earn a lot less than that who manage their finances and don't rely on food banks.

And there you go, the tories prefer 'cash flow problem' to poverty as it attributes blame to the user and not themselves. Such use of wordings has been their main tool for years.

Not just wording but situations, after years of cuts the tories will proudly claim funding increases now.
 
This irrelevance does not remotely justify his comment.

But it does if we stop using "but nurses.." as an emotive issue.

Regular use of food banks by those who don't earn enough is a huge problem. Specifically those on zero hour contracts. But someone earning enough where they really should manage their money better doesn't become the government's problem just because they're a nurse.


Not managing your money isn't necessarily indicative that you're criminally underpaid.

The average income is around £23,000, I think. Nationally with regional variances. If you earn above that, nurse or not, chances are you earn more than many people on your street. If everyone on her street is using a food bank then we have a problem and yes government needs to address it and take blame for it. If people earning less than her on her street don't have to use a food bank then I don't think I'm heartless in thinking the remedy is her managing her finances better rather than anything the government has any responsibility for.
 
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But it does if we stop using "but nurses.." as an emotive issue.

Regular use of food banks by those who don't earn enough is a huge problem. Specifically those on zero hour contracts. But someone earning enough where they really should manage their money better doesn't become the government's problem just because they're a nurse.


Not managing your money isn't necessarily indicative that you're criminally underpaid.
Again, what relevance does this have? Food bank demand has increased hugely. Unless you think frivolous spending by the those on low incomes has increased hugely then it is utterly ridiculous to imply the problem is due to individuals mismanaging their finances rather than government policy.
 
Again, what relevance does this have? Food bank demand has increased hugely. Unless you think frivolous spending by the those on low incomes has increased hugely then it is utterly ridiculous to imply the problem is due to individuals mismanaging their finances rather than government policy.

The overall trend of food bank use is of course down to government but not every use of a food bank is a government issue. I don't think it helps to make the poster woman of the issue someone that probably earns more than many people reading about it who themselves manage without relying on charities to feed themselves.

The discussion should be on genuine, low wage workers who do rely on food banks and who the government has abandoned. Not someone who earns above national average wage who most likely does use a food bank because of poor financial management.
 
The overall trend of food bank use is of course down to government but not every use of a food bank is a government issue. I don't think it helps to make the poster woman of the issue someone that probably earns more than many people reading about it who themselves manage without relying on charities to feed themselves.
Fair.
 
Banning zero hour contracts has to be a start. Also banning the spurious use of 'self-employed' where it's just a firm not wanting to pay someone the minimum wage or wriggle out of taxes and financial obligations that comes from employing someone.

You see jobs advertised now in call centres as a 'self employment opportunity'. It should be outlawed immediately.
 
Banning zero hour contracts has to be a start. Also banning the spurious use of 'self-employed' where it's just a firm not wanting to pay someone the minimum wage or wriggle out of taxes and financial obligations that comes from employing someone.

You see jobs advertised now in call centres as a 'self employment opportunity'. It should be outlawed immediately.
Is this the Deliveroo and, I forget the name of the taxi company, situation?
 
Most nurses don't use food banks. Most people who earn less than nurses don't use food banks. I think the nurse in questioned earned £25,000 a year. Not a fantastic wage but there are people who earn a lot less than that who manage their finances and don't rely on food banks.

But it does if we stop using "but nurses.." as an emotive issue.

Regular use of food banks by those who don't earn enough is a huge problem. Specifically those on zero hour contracts. But someone earning enough where they really should manage their money better doesn't become the government's problem just because they're a nurse.


Not managing your money isn't necessarily indicative that you're criminally underpaid.

The average income is around £23,000, I think. Nationally with regional variances. If you earn above that, nurse or not, chances are you earn more than many people on your street. If everyone on her street is using a food bank then we have a problem and yes government needs to address it and take blame for it. If people earning less than her on her street don't have to use a food bank then I don't think I'm heartless in thinking the remedy is her managing her finances better rather than anything the government has any responsibility for.
Whats the average hours that a nurse works? What region was this person in?

£25k to a home owner with no or a low mortgage is easy money. £25k for someone living in an expensive region, spending £1k a month on rent, £1.5k on council tax, £1k a year on gas an electricity, £1k a year on car insurance, £1k a year on petrol, £300 a year on car maintenance, £360 a year on water, £360 a year on a telephone line...

Oh and that £25k a year wage is actually £20.3k after tax.

That leaves £60 a week for food, school fees, and everything else.

I don't think any of my numbers there are unreasonable. If you are working 60 hours a week as a single wage earner with dependents in an expensive region, it's not unreasonable to say there is no way it's sustainable.
 
The clip of Boris losing it on SkyNews :lol:

That oaf is our foreign secretary ffs
 
Raping the NHS of resources is funny if you're posh and have crazy hair
 
That guy yesterday attacking Corbyn for imposing a minimum wage on him/his employees... perhaps if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business is a failure. Perhaps the wellbeing of the millions on minimum wage is more important than the businesses that rely upon the underpaid labor of its employees. Crazy talk in the 21st century I know, crazy I am. Raving!

This country is so far right of me that I feel obligated to emigrate.
 
Front pages: https://twitter.com/i/moments/869313202345172992

The Daily Telegraph: Corbyn ducks terror challenge
The Times: May woos working class with tough line on Brexit
i: May and Corbyn endure bruising TV debate
The Sun: Jez: No vow on migration cut
The Guardian: Corbyn tells Paxman: "I'm no dictator" in TV debate
Daily Express: Oily fish can beat dementia
Metro: Prime Minister's question time: We quiz Theresa May on Brexit, security, immigration, housing, fox hunting, the latest polls... and even dancing to Abba
The Scotsman: Corbyn rules out SNP deal but would 'consider' indyref2
Scottish Daily Mail: Corbyn waves white flag on Union
It's crap like this that means Labour can't win, no matter how good or bad everyone performs. My mum, a staunch Labour voter, told me the other day that she wasn't voting for them because of "the disgusting things Corbyn has said about Britain being to blame for the Manchester attack"... she had read a fecking Daily Mail headline and that was it. I had to show her what he actually said before she realised that she had been taken for a mug.
 
It's crap like this that means Labour can't win, no matter how good or bad everyone performs. My mum, a staunch Labour voter, told me the other day that she wasn't voting for them because of "the disgusting things Corbyn has said about Britain being to blame for the Manchester attack"... she had read a fecking Daily Mail headline and that was it. I had to show her what he actually said before she realised that she had been taken for a mug.
We really do need to stop having parents.
 
That guy yesterday attacking Corbyn for imposing a minimum wage on him/his employees... perhaps if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business is a failure. Perhaps the wellbeing of the millions on minimum wage is more important than the businesses that rely upon the underpaid labor of its employees. Crazy talk in the 21st century I know, crazy I am. Raving!

This country is so far right of me that I feel obligated to emigrate.
It's not even a "for the good of your employees issue". This is how capitalism works!

From memory, he has a clothing store. Let's say the cost of tweed increases 100 percent due to a war in some country or another. Some businesses will be able to handle the increase cost. Others won't and they will disappear. Only the strongest survive. The customers from the ones that disappeared will move on, and the remaining businesses will grow.

He has 3 years to learn to adsorb the cost. If he can't, his business will close, and another that can actually pay their staff will replace him.
 
That guy yesterday attacking Corbyn for imposing a minimum wage on him/his employees... perhaps if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business is a failure. Perhaps the wellbeing of the millions on minimum wage is more important than the businesses that rely upon the underpaid labor of its employees. Crazy talk in the 21st century I know, crazy I am. Raving!

This country is so far right of me that I feel obligated to emigrate.

Yet he could clearly afford to send his kids to Public School because he was moaning about VAT on school fees as well.

There's a word for him beginning with C and ending with 'unt'.
 
We really do need to stop having parents.
They taught me how to read, and now I can teach them how to read more than a headline.

"Spot has a big red ball.
Spot plays with his big red ball.
Spot loses his big red ball.
It's all the fault of the last Labour government."
 
He needs a more credible shade of hair dye.
 
Yet he could clearly afford to send his kids to Public School because he was moaning about VAT on school fees as well.

There's a word for him beginning with C and ending with 'unt'.

The cheek of him to claim he was a 'salt of the earth Mancunian'..
 
Can you survive on £25k a year

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Link to spreadsheet

How on earth could a nurse end up using food banks?

(There is a lot I am missing here, but I will let others play)
 
Again, what relevance does this have? Food bank demand has increased hugely. Unless you think frivolous spending by the those on low incomes has increased hugely then it is utterly ridiculous to imply the problem is due to individuals mismanaging their finances rather than government policy.

Demand and supply have gone up independently of each other. Food bank use was unheard of a decade ago because there were no food banks, and the few that existed required difficult to obtain referrals to use them. Now they are common and there are plenty that don't require a referral any more.
 
Labour really need to ensure people having the costings to hand when they're launching a policy.
 
Whats the average hours that a nurse works? What region was this person in?

£25k to a home owner with no or a low mortgage is easy money. £25k for someone living in an expensive region, spending £1k a month on rent, £1.5k on council tax, £1k a year on gas an electricity, £1k a year on car insurance, £1k a year on petrol, £300 a year on car maintenance, £360 a year on water, £360 a year on a telephone line...

Oh and that £25k a year wage is actually £20.3k after tax.

That leaves £60 a week for food, school fees, and everything else.

I don't think any of my numbers there are unreasonable. If you are working 60 hours a week as a single wage earner with dependents in an expensive region, it's not unreasonable to say there is no way it's sustainable.
Exactly. Money is relative and everyone's circumstances are different. My childcare bill cost more than my rent.
 
Demand and supply have gone up independently of each other. Food bank use was unheard of a decade ago because there were no food banks, and the few that existed required difficult to obtain referrals to use them. Now they are common and there are plenty that don't require a referral any more.
My friends dad volunteers at a food bank in Manchester and you still need a referral. And food banks did exist a decade ago they just weren't as common.
 
Exactly. Money is relative and everyone's circumstances are different. My childcare bill cost more than my rent.
No doubt there are some one here that would blame you for not thinking in advance how much having a child would cost!

Childcare is something I haven't factored in (we luckily have grandparents who are free)
I don't know how a single parent on low wages could cope without benefits.

Me and my Mrs were on £17k with me as the sole earner (so like £14k net?), and managed to make ends meet on £8k rent, £1k Council Tax, etc, without too much difficulty. But rent has gone up since then, car insurance, council tax, etc... and we had zero child care costs.
 
To think some wanted Boris as Prime Minister. Hope the Tories keep sending him out there.
 
No doubt there are some one here that would blame you for not thinking in advance how much having a child would cost!

Childcare is something I haven't factored in (we luckily have grandparents who are free)
I don't know how a single parent on low wages could cope without benefits.

Me and my Mrs were on £17k with me as the sole earner (so like £14k net?), and managed to make ends meet on £8k rent, £1k Council Tax, etc, without too much difficulty. But rent has gone up since then, car insurance, council tax, etc... and we had zero child care costs.
You are lucky to have help with childcare but I'm telling myself it's not forever. So if you factor in that you need childcare to go to work and then travel cost etc yeah I can see why someone on a salary like that may need some assistance from food banks
 
Just give us pr ffs, let the loony posh bastards separate from the smarmy ones. Make it so people can vote for fiscally conservative parties without voting for racist fecks.