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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
So, have any of you taken the uk.isidewith.com election quiz?

Any surprising results, like Labour with the highest percentage...:nervous:
 
rcoobc said:
To be fair, and this is coming from someone who would never vote Tory (probably). To be fair, we already know what the cost of a Tory government is. It's the status quo.

Okay sure, scrapping free School Lunches and replacing them with free School Breakfasts was costed wrongly. Okay sure, maybe things like Brexit is going to feck us. Okay sure, maybe there are a couple of policies that will increase the burden on general taxation.

But by and large we know what the costs are, because we already have them. The Tories could have produced a one page manifesto by just writing "pretty much the same as now" and handing that in to the teacher.

Labour want to nationalise the Royal Mail, Water, Energy and Trains. They want a national investment bank. They want a £10 minimum wage. They want to tax the rich, and tax big companies.

The burden of proof is on Labour. We already know the Conservatives plans work. Or don't work, considering the deficit.
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If the goal was ruining public services, or at least running them into the ground and leaving them functioning chaotically they did alright. Considering the whole goal of austerity was to balance the books, they've failed completely and it's astonishing that people think or buy the wholesale strong and stable line that not only doesn't apply to May in any sense but to the party in general. I know teachers taking equipment into classrooms and doctors leaving for sunnier climes because it's just not fecking worth it.
 
rcoobc said:
To be fair, and this is coming from someone who would never vote Tory (probably). To be fair, we already know what the cost of a Tory government is. It's the status quo.

Okay sure, scrapping free School Lunches and replacing them with free School Breakfasts was costed wrongly. Okay sure, maybe things like Brexit is going to feck us. Okay sure, maybe there are a couple of policies that will increase the burden on general taxation.

But by and large we know what the costs are, because we already have them. The Tories could have produced a one page manifesto by just writing "pretty much the same as now" and handing that in to the teacher.

Labour want to nationalise the Royal Mail, Water, Energy and Trains. They want a national investment bank. They want a £10 minimum wage. They want to tax the rich, and tax big companies.

The burden of proof is on Labour. We already know the Conservatives plans work. Or don't work, considering the deficit.
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I don't think that's accurate rcoobc. May is a different leader after all and we've heard what she wants to do with the NHS which will prove to be a disaster. It's not "the same as it is now", you'd have a point if Cameroon was still at the helm but he's not. We're also in for a rocky period with Brexit which will give the Tories an excuse to force even more cuts while throwing the blame at the EU. I'm basing this evaluation on what May has claimed and what she's been saying, so it's not even a wild prediction.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So how many of have you taken the uk.isidewith.com election quiz?

Any surprising results, like Labour with the highest percentage...:nervous:
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I think I ended up with Plaid Cymru. They aren't too big on the south coast of England, sadly.
 
"I called this election precisely because what I saw were that the other parties were intent on trying to disrupt our Brexit negotiations"

I'm struggling with this one. She was worried she'd be distracted and disrupted by other parties, so she decided the only way to do this was be distracted by an election campaign against them?
 
Just have a piece of paper with the figures on it. No memorisation needed.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I'll be honest, I kind of already think of you as a bit of a Tory. Though I find it entirely possible that this is largely down to the fact you like debate and were you to be on a right-leaning forum you'd sound like a communist.
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:D I am a bit of a tory. I like a small government where possible, like dealing with numbers, not a big fan on the idea of benefits forever, and think Labour did a crap job.

On everything else though, I'm a central-lefty and central-liberal.
Adzzz said:
If the goal was ruining public services, or at least running them into the ground and leaving them functioning chaotically they did alright. Considering the whole goal of austerity was to balance the books, they've failed completely and it's astonishing that people think or buy the wholesale strong and stable line that not only doesn't apply to May in any sense but to the party in general. I know teachers taking equipment into classrooms and doctors leaving for sunnier climes because it's just not fecking worth it.
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Indeed.
 
"What we've seen today from Jeremy Corbyn is he'd be willing to do a deal at any price," she says. "He wants to get the worst deal for Britain at the highest possible price."

Does she think we're idiots?
 
NinjaFletch said:
"What we've seen today from Jeremy Corbyn is he'd be willing to do a deal at any price," she says. "He wants to get the worst deal for Britain at the highest possible price."

Does she think we're idiots?
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People will fall for it though, sadly.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So, have any of you taken the uk.isidewith.com election quiz?

Any surprising results, like Labour with the highest percentage...:nervous:
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Typical Tory, too tight to even share the link. ;)

86% Lib Dem
81% Labour
73% Green
46% UKIP
45% Tory

No surprises on the Lib Dem/Labour stuff. It beggars belief that we're all getting higher UKIP totals than Tory though. Says a lot about how fecking extremist these cnuts have become.
 
RedSky said:
I don't think that's accurate rcoobc. May is a different leader after all and we've heard what she wants to do with the NHS which will prove to be a disaster. It's not "the same as it is now", you'd have a point if Cameroon was still at the helm but he's not. We're also in for a rocky period with Brexit which will give the Tories an excuse to force even more cuts while throwing the blame at the EU. I'm basing this evaluation on what May has claimed and what she's been saying, so it's not even a wild prediction.
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Brexit will be a hit, but have Labour costed that either?

The Tories have left room for further taxation; National Insurance increases for the self-employed, reducing social-care for the elderly, etc.

In fact, I entirely agree with everything you are saying, but the problem isn't the "cuts are uncosted", the problem is "there are cuts"!

Without Brexit, or another financial crisis, I think it's fair to say the Tories would, finally, close the deficit in this parliament. But even if they are going to close the deficit (even if they aren't going to pay off any of the debt), that doesn't solve the problem of the NHS funding, police funding, benefits cuts, low wages, etc.

It's all a bit of a joke
 
71% Lib Dem, 67% Labour. Somehow managed to get 48% UKIP???
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So, have any of you taken the uk.isidewith.com election quiz?

Any surprising results, like Labour with the highest percentage...:nervous:
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89% Labour
82% LibDem
77% Green
44% Tory
34% UKIP

Pretty accurate for me although where the UKIP percentage came from I don't know and I think the Tory amount was bolstered by my supporting HS2 and a few other business items.
 
May: "He wants to get the worst deal for Britain at the highest possible price."

Who the f*ck would believe that rubbish?
 
esmufc07 said:
Does it actually bother people when politicians can't remember off hand the exact cost of a policy? I've never understood the furore around when it happens. They're not machines.
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Agreed. When Paxman asked Corbyn last night how much money he was going to give Brussels he eventually said, I can't answer that question, nobody could at this point in time. It's a perfectly reasonable response in those circumstances.

If the figures are known but withheld or distorted it's another matter but I can forgive someone for not being able to remember every number perfectly.
 
SteveJ said:
May: "He wants to get the worst deal for Britain at the highest possible price."

Who the f*ck would believe that rubbish?
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We're in the same territory as the Trump campaign now, it's not about who will actually believe it (although a small percentage of idiots actually will) it's about flinging as much shit at the other candidate as possible and knowing full well that sections of the media (most of the media in this case) and her supporters will latch onto it and repeat it ad infinitum and it doesn't matter how small the quantity that actually sticks, it's just important that some of it does.
 
SteveJ said:
May: "He wants to get the worst deal for Britain at the highest possible price."

Who the f*ck would believe that rubbish?
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It was to a really good question about no deal realities as well. Fecking state of politics seriously.

I think its so ridiculous it might bite her, if i was Labour id pay to repeat that footage over and over.
 
We are well and truly in the era of fake news, for as long as the UK media is heavily right-wing establishment biased we might as well shut up shop and leave.
 
That quiz was interesting, I realized quite late that if you click on *other* you get extended options, maybe it would've been different if I did it from the beginning.
Plaid Cymru, SNP and Greens were the top group for me with 90%,89% and 88% followed by LibDems and Labour both with 80% which I found surprising as I thought Labour would be higher for me. Conservatives slightly behind UKIP with 32% to 33%, says all about them really...
 
Kentonio said:
Typical Tory, too tight to even share the link. ;)

86% Lib Dem
81% Labour
73% Green
46% UKIP
45% Tory

No surprises on the Lib Dem/Labour stuff. It beggars belief that we're all getting higher UKIP totals than Tory though. Says a lot about how fecking extremist these cnuts have become.
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Enacting a Best of 5 rule, my results are:

Labour 63%
Conservative 61%
Liberal Democrat 57%
UKIP 55%
Green 54%

Libertarian is notable in some of the individual policy categories though, not that i know anything about the UK party.
 
76% labour
75% green
70% Lib dem

Sounds about right.

I too got a higher UKIP than Tory result by 1% :nervous:
 
esmufc07 said:
People will fall for it though, sadly.
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People fall for anything these days. Who'd believe that an extreme left IRA/Hamas/Munich terrorist supporter could even get this far. And if that wasn't insane enough, an economic plan that makes no sense to anybody with ten fingers.
 
80% SNP
78% Labour
75% Lib Dem
72% Green
42% Tory
 
Looking back over the quiz, it occurs to me that there isn't a question for future NHS spending and how we'll fund such. A glaring omission IMO. Two policy examples being the Lib Dems income tax rise, and UKIP's GP appointments charge.
 
Fearless said:
People fall for anything these days. Who'd believe that an extreme left IRA/Hamas/Munich terrorist supporter could even get this far. And if that wasn't insane enough, an economic plan that makes no sense to anybody with ten fingers.
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You have ten fingers?
 
Fearless said:
People fall for anything these days. Who'd believe that an extreme left IRA/Hamas/Munich terrorist supporter could even get this far. And if that wasn't insane enough, an economic plan that makes no sense to anybody with ten fingers.
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