General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Rudd says she hasn't costed their manifesto and yet criticises Corbyn for fantasy economics. Ok.

All the manifestos contribute to the deficit, and that's the worrying part. Labour are basically saying wtf with the deficit, which the majority don't realise.
 
Wow I didn't realise the caf was so pro-labour. Or is it just anti-torie?
I didn't realise the BBC was so pro-Labour.

Where was the SINGLE question on you know, Corbyn's weakpoint, the semi-important topic of Brexit?
 
All the manifestos contribute to the deficit. That's the worrying part. Labour are basically saying wtf with the deficit, which the majority don't realise.

At least they're not promising to get rid of it while embarrassingly failing to do so like the Tories.
 
I didn't realise the BBC was so pro-Labour.

Where was the SINGLE question on you know, Corbyn's weakpoint, the semi-important topic of Brexit?
You're kidding right?
 
Didn't think there was much in-fighting between the parties that might feasibly form a left wing coalition.

Most of the chaos was caused by allowing some bloke from down the pub on the stage with them. Him and Rudd when she was claiming that the Tories are for the needy.
did you not watch the first hour, was like chirdren screaming over the top of each other.
 
Being good in the political arena does not necessarily encompass being a showman.

It's not necessarily showmanship she lacks. It's any sort of humanity, empathy, or original thought.

I really, really don't understand why the Conservatives tried to run a presidential, cult of personality style campaign with her, and the more exposure she's had to voters the more she's been exposed.

The idea that she'd have any success dealing with the EU is laughable, as her private meeting with EU leaders shows, and her record in government should inspire no-one.

She's incompetent. Her only attack line is she thinks that Corbyn is even more so, but yet we're supposed to take it that she'll stand up to the EU when she's too scared to debate him for fear of being shown up?
 
Didn't think there was much in-fighting between the parties that might feasibly form a left wing coalition.

Most of the chaos was caused by allowing some bloke from down the pub on the stage with them. Him and Rudd when she was claiming that the Tories are for the needy.

It really wasn't that bad. What did people expect when you have what 7 parties represented on one stage?

But if the Tories keep calling it 'chaos' then people will keep believing it unfortunately.
 
At least they're not promising to get rid of it while embarrassingly failing to do so like the Tories.

Good point.
The import export deficit can't be neutralised until we get serious again about our manufacturing, and companies aren't so willing to be taken over.
You have to admit, though, that Labour are taking the piss with their manifesto. Are we saying that the debt situation is beyond recoverable, so lets just promise everything in order to get in power?
 
Farron strikes me as the type of person who would start an argument in an empty room.

The state of British politics really is an utter shambles right now, find it extremely difficult to warm to anyone, they're all as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned.
 
Think May's decision to send Rudd despite the death of her father two days ago makes it look positively callous, let alone cowardly.
Agree. I didn't know about this. I hope and expect that Corbyn would have offered her his condolences in private if he was aware.
 
Didn't think there was much in-fighting between the parties that might feasibly form a left wing coalition.

Most of the chaos was caused by allowing some bloke from down the pub on the stage with them. Him and Rudd when she was claiming that the Tories are forNo the needy.
Not much fighting, but undoubtedly came across as messy.
 
The state of British politics really is an utter shambles right now, find it extremely difficult to warm to anyone, they're all as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned.

I genuinely don't get this. Why does the personality of any of them actually matter? They're running on wildly different platforms, so just pick the one that fits your life needs or beliefs the best.
 
Farron strikes me as the type of person who would start an argument in an empty room.

The state of British politics really is an utter shambles right now, find it extremely difficult to warm to anyone, they're all as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned.
Then you are not doing enough research. There is a world of difference between all of them.
 


Sun's live debate updates:
BBC Election Debate 2017 live updates – Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Amber Rudd for ‘chilling’ record of voting AGAINST anti-terror laws



Weird. I thought he hit back saying May also opposed anti-terror legislation but there doesn't seem to be any mention of that so guess it didn't happen.


Tory Minister's father mysteriously dies shortly before the dementia tax hits her inheritance. A case for Midsummer Murder's if ever I have heard one.
 
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The idea that she'd have any success dealing with the EU is laughable, as her private meeting with EU leaders shows, and her record in government should inspire no-one.

Not so. The fact that the EU are demanding promises about EU citizens living in the UK post brexit, which also includes children and grandchildren, shows that the EU is weakening with its view on the UK ending free movement.
They are already showing signs of conceding this point.
 
I genuinely don't get this. Why does the personality of any of them actually matter? They're running on wildly different platforms, so just pick the one that fits your life needs or beliefs the best.

Who mentioned anything about personality?
 
Not so. The fact that the EU are demanding promises about EU citizens living in the UK post brexit, which also includes children and grandchildren, shows that the EU is weakening with its view on the UK ending free movement.
They are already showing signs of conceding this point.

I think the only thing that shows is your fundamental misunderstanding of the debate here.
 
I genuinely don't get this. Why does the personality of any of them actually matter? They're running on wildly different platforms, so just pick the one that fits your life needs or beliefs the best.
one of the main reasons i am voting for corbyn is becuase he comes accorss as a good person who wants to do the right things, their are polices of his i don't agree with, but do i want a good person running the country that is important to me, their all gonna make mistakes, but i'd at least like to know those mistakes come from trying to do the right thing.
 
You're kidding right?
Point me out one time that "Brexit" was even mentioned in a question. There were questions where answers overlapped with Brexit obviously because it's such a huge topic but not one single direct question requiring hard detail from all about all.
 
Point me out one time that "Brexit" was even mentioned in a question. There were questions where answers overlapped with Brexit obviously because it's such a huge topic but not one single direct question requiring hard detail from all about all.
Not arguing you on that point at all, and of course everything is affected by brexit anyway. To say the BBC are pro-Labour is laughable however.
 
Yes I did, it was like 7 parties wanting attention. Very little substantive criticism of each other from the Left Leaning it was more messy than anything.
it was messy, but pretty much every time some one tried to speak they where interrupted with someone disagreeing with them and questioning the other parties stance...... it did look like kids squabbling at times
 
Glad I didn't have to put up with May's gurning gargoyle face for 90 mins TBH.

She looks like she should sell cheese for a living.
 
Not talking about specific policies, more about how they all behave in general. I've done my research, thanks.
Who mentioned anything about personality?
?

I'm not trying to have a go(Sorry if it came across like that)but there was a clear differences in behaviour, for a start one of people up there was just being a racist for an hour.
 
Typically sore lefty.

:lol:

There's not much else I can say to you. I have no idea what you've read, or where you've read it, to come to that conclusion, but it's simply incongruous with reality and sums up the lack of knowledge both of the EU as a whole, and the Brexit process, that has sadly characterised the debate over the last year.

I'm not going to be the one to sit here and argue against your delusions, it's already painful enough to read you posts without encouraging you to do it more, it's just sad that you can be wrong with such confidence.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Farron's done alright in this? Just about finished.
 
Not arguing you on that point at all, and of course everything is affected by brexit anyway. To say the BBC are pro-Labour is laughable however.
And we never got into any depth on Brexit, just a little immigration is good here and security is good there.

Just happened the entire audience were giving raucous applause to even the most inane Corbyn comment from the opening minute and everyone else was being cut off by the moderator?
 
Nuttall's defence of Trump's plans on climate change is that he's protecting American workers, and that India/China are bad too. Moron.
 
Was hard to argue with the much of what he said tbf, just comes across as thoroughly unlikable to me.

He's a weird one. I struggle to take him even remotely seriously and he's a bit of a caricature, but I also find him difficult to dislike. Maybe because I doubt he'll be anywhere near government anyway.
 
Rudd is 'disappointed' in Trump pulling out of the Paris Agreement. Oh do feck off.
 
And we never got into any depth on Brexit, just a little immigration is good here and security is good there.

Just happened the entire audience were giving raucous applause to even the most inane Corbyn comment from the opening minute and everyone else was being cut off by the moderator?

:confused::confused:

The audience complaints are one thing, although Corbyn's policies have always polled far better than he has done and it's hardly a stretch to imagine that more people agree with them than don't, but the moderator on several occasions stepped in when Rudd was struggling (like on Saudi Arabia) and pressed Corbyn for answers more than others.