General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
feck abolishing all uni fees. Should only abolish fees for degrees that are of benefit for the country, whilst piss poor degrees which are useless can be paid for by the student.


I have to admit, as a student paying £9000 a year on course fees... I don't really see the problem with the system as it is. It's no win no fee.
 
Investing means putting money into something

University is a form of education

Getting rid of tuition fees involves putting money into universities
Like Michael said above, it's also direct investment into students.
 
All of you in here pretending not to understand the nuclear question? It's quite ridiculous that Corbin wouldn't say that he would use it. Whether he uses it or not is not the issue but basically admitting he wouldn't, even in the event of an initial strike against us, is suicidal given just how insane some countries with nuclear capabilities are.

On the topic of EU migration, he isn't committing to a meaningful cut in numbers, the key factor behind the Brexit vote for many leave voters.
I like the fact that he won't use them. If someone nukes us, we've already lost.
 
Think May will come away happier. Corbyn had a more difficult time up there, though mainly on issues I don't really care about. General public will obviously see things differently to me.
 
Well for a start the country is short of doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists so those sort of degrees should be a start. But those like peace studies and fine art appreciation no chance.

The problem with determining what is "useful" and what isn't though can often depend on a certain ideological slant. And what's useful or gains you employability varies as well...the economy is constantly changing/growing, and what is in demand in 2017 may no longer be perceived as useful in a generation or two. I agree a lot of people may end up going to uni for the sake of it, but actually agreeing on what's useful and what isn't can be tricky.
 
Maw will win. The general public seem quite clear that they do not agree with Corbyn.

All I know is, I have NEVER agreed with a politician than I did with Corbyn tonight. Principled, fair, and inspiring. I hope that his movement continues past this election.
 
So he'll get criticised for not willing to commit to use nuclear weapons which would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people & impact millions more. What a fecking world we live in!
 
The trick is making your enemies think you'd use them though.
Exactly, look at the Cold War, if America had no nuclear weapons their major bargaining chip would be gone. Who knows what wouldve happened next.
 
Free education should be provided for those who want it. Lots of people who go to uni just go to cut loose and have no real idea what they want to do (like myself). Should be means tested and have regular student evaluations to continue to receive it
 
How does scraping tuition fees = investing in education? Investing in education would mean more teachers, schools, education facilities etc. What a complete waste of money scrapping tuition fees would be.
I know a lot of people perfectly capable of going to university who didn't because they saw the fees as a barrier. I personally see the repayment system as largely fine, so it didn't affect my decision. Everyone's different. You've got to accept that people often make decisions that stray away from what others see as logical.
 
All of you in here pretending not to understand the nuclear question? It's quite ridiculous that Corbin wouldn't say that he would use it. Whether he uses it or not is not the issue but basically admitting he wouldn't, even in the event of an initial strike against us, is suicidal given just how insane some countries with nuclear capabilities are.

On the topic of EU migration, he isn't committing to a meaningful cut in numbers, the key factor behind the Brexit vote for many leave voters.


He pretty much said he wants access to single market as his biggest priority in negotiations. Considering that why would he commit to cutting down on numbers ?

It's Soft Brexit vs Hard.
 
The problem with determining what is "useful" and what isn't though can often depend on a certain ideological slant. And what's useful or gains you employability varies as well...the economy is constantly changing/growing, and what is in demand in 2017 may no longer be perceived as useful in a generation or two. I agree a lot of people may end up going to uni for the sake of it, but actually agreeing on what's useful and what isn't can be tricky.
I'd agree on arbitrary gifting of fees to certain subjects being unwise, but I think with 10bn to spend you could do a lot more good with different schemes of grants and bursaries than just abolishing fees for all.

That said, it's obviously a good vote winner and motivator.
 
How does scraping tuition fees = investing in education? Investing in education would mean more teachers, schools, education facilities etc. What a complete waste of money scrapping tuition fees would be.

Tell that to the people who can't go to uni because they are to poor.
 
By admitting he won't use them, you're taking away the deterrent to those who would happily nuke us in an instant. Surely, surely you can see that?

We have them & the possibility of using them.

All you're asking for is different presentation of the threat.
 
By admitting he won't use them, you're taking away the deterrent to those who would happily nuke us in an instant. Surely, surely you can see that?

This is ridiculous sleight of hand

You claimed it's ridiculous that he won't say he will retaliate in the event that we are attacked with a nuclear weapon

Now you're claiming the question is about deterrence, but in your story we are already under attack, so how does retaliating help?

You've just pivoted the question and are now claiming 'gotcha'
 
All of you in here pretending not to understand the nuclear question? It's quite ridiculous that Corbin wouldn't say that he would use it. Whether he uses it or not is not the issue but basically admitting he wouldn't, even in the event of an initial strike against us, is suicidal given just how insane some countries with nuclear capabilities are.

On the topic of EU migration, he isn't committing to a meaningful cut in numbers, the key factor behind the Brexit vote for many leave voters.
If someone nukes us, it's failed. Miserably and expensively. The fact people talk so freely about wiping innocent people off the face of the earth is startling. The fact you follow it up by talking about other countries with nuclear capabilities being 'insane' beggars belief.
 
He pretty much said he wants access to single market as his biggest priority in negotiations. Considering that why would he commit to cutting down on numbers ?

It's Soft Brexit vs Hard.
Because a huge portion of the leave vote was for curbing EU immigration. It's his job to carry out the will of the people. May, like it or not, question her motives as to why or not, has repeatedly committed to this.
 
The trick is making your enemies think you'd use them though.
By admitting he won't use them, you're taking away the deterrent to those who would happily nuke us in an instant. Surely, surely you can see that?
You really think thats one of the reasons :wenger:
The vast majority of the world doesn't have them and is at no risk of getting nuked. We're not at the height of the Cold War anymore.
 
The problem with determining what is "useful" and what isn't though can often depend on a certain ideological slant. And what's useful or gains you employability varies as well...the economy is constantly changing/growing, and what is in demand in 2017 may no longer be perceived as useful in a generation or two. I agree a lot of people may end up going to uni for the sake of it, but actually agreeing on what's useful and what isn't can be tricky.
Whilst I agree with your point, I do think core subjects are always going to be required. But to prevent becoming over stocked in engineers etc, then a scoring system could be introduced to see where shortages are appearing or being predicted. However this would never work as governments are useless at planning long term or maintaining something introduced by a different party.
 
I'd agree on arbitrary gifting of fees to certain subjects being unwise, but I think with 10bn to spend you could do a lot more good with different schemes of grants and bursaries than just abolishing fees for all.

That said, it's obviously a good vote winner and motivator.

Aye, could be argued that a fee system wherein you're only paying back once you're earning a very comfortable amount would work better: ensures people are able to go to uni and achieve, but they're also giving back once they make a success of themselves.

Not a problem we've got up here, mind...
 
If someone nukes us, it's failed. Miserably and expensively. The fact people talk so freely about wiping innocent people off the face of the earth is startling. The fact you follow it up by talking about other countries with nuclear capabilities being 'insane' beggars belief.
What? Saying you wouldn't retaliate against any strike takes any deterrent away. It defeats the purpose of us having a god damn nuclear deterrent in the first place.
 
Because a huge portion of the leave vote was for curbing EU immigration. It's his job to carry out the will of the people. May, like it or not, question her motives as to why or not, has repeatedly committed to this.
Was that before or after David Davis went on Question Time to admit the 2022 reduction target was an aim rather than a guarantee last night?
 
The vast majority of the world doesn't have them and is at no risk of getting nuked.
I'm afraid I don't agree with you there. International events move quickly and the risk is real.
 
Free education should be provided for those who want it. Lots of people who go to uni just go to cut loose and have no real idea what they want to do (like myself). Should be means tested and have regular student evaluations to continue to receive it
If we see education as a good thing, what's the problem? As those who want it will then go to university?

At least those who wouldn't have wanted it so much can reap the rewards, should they choose.
 
What? Saying you wouldn't retaliate against any strike takes any deterrent away. It defeats the purpose of us having a god damn nuclear deterrent in the first place.
I'd probably be too busy being dead to give a shit to be honest. I do love this hilariously contrived scenario where the rest of the world watches one nation use nukes on another and looks the other way.