General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
If he promised he'd aim it in our direction, so that a good old British nuke did the killing and skin peeling before Johnny Foreigner's got here, he'd probably clean up the UKIP vote.
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Tomorrow's front pages:
The National (Scotland): Never mind the coalition of chaos, it's... the social justice league
The Sun: Tory-BBC war on leftie mob (yeah, apparently they were treated unfairly tonight too)
The Guardian: Labour accuses Tories of using fake news ads to attack Corbyn
The Daily Telegraph: Tory tax pledge to high earners
i: Tory shock at criminal charges
Daily Mirror: Tory MP charged over election expenses
Daily Express: Sturgeon: I'll help Corbyn
FT: May reaches out to business as Brexit tensions escalate
Pretty boring. Guess they'll save the juicy stuff for Sunday.
Tomorrow's front pages:
The National (Scotland): Never mind the coalition of chaos, it's... the social justice league
The Sun: Tory-BBC war on leftie mob (yeah, apparently they were treated unfairly tonight too)
The Guardian: Labour accuses Tories of using fake news ads to attack Corbyn
The Daily Telegraph: Tory tax pledge to high earners
i: Tory shock at criminal charges
Daily Mirror: Tory MP charged over election expenses
Daily Express: Sturgeon: I'll help Corbyn
FT: May reaches out to business as Brexit tensions escalate
Pretty boring. Guess they'll save the juicy stuff for Sunday.
But the eastern Europeans are part of the EU, there were still 170000 immigrants from outside the EU, additionally the emigration of Brits will reduce if the freedom of movement is lost so even if EU immigration stopped altogether, which it won't, the Uk was still well outside the "below 100000 " which has been promised for 7 years already.
No deal is not good for either, no, but the only way a deal will be agreed is if she accepts the terms, which will not be a no contribution access to the free market or stoppage of the 4 freedoms.
But it's not the electorate who is deciding what deal will be accepted, May doesn't want anyone to know what's being discussed, including the British people.
However, it will be known from the EU side.
Liberal lefty? That's Yankee talk.
I'm guessing the cut off part was her saying that in the interest of electoral fairness, that was said to him before he went on.
Kind of rubbish though - his song is anti-tory, if you're worried about being seen as biased then don't have him on or also have a person who wrote a pro-Tory song that's been downloaded by thousands of people on as well. Oh right, there isn't one
Or the BBC has been bullyboyed by the goverment and it's power over it's funding.
obviously, but only if it was used during fox hunting......
Thanks man, I am completely ignorant and only hear drips and drops, which I worry are mainly useless platitudes that aren't accurate.
Apparently, complaining that your wages haven't risen in eight years equals this: "there isn't a magic money tree that we can shake that suddenly provides for everything that people want." A real insight into May's thinking there: patronising, exasperated, and dismissive of healthcare professionals; to her, they're spoilt children, obviously.
Apparently Alistair Campbell's endorsed Corbyn.
I don't think anyone would believe him.
Rudd was using the whole "magic money tree" tactic the other hand and it was especially condescending. Especially from a Tory party who, while in government, have failed to get rid of the deficit despite claiming they would do so, saw the pound fall dramatically after an EU referendum recklessly enacted by Cameron for the good of his party, and who haven't even bothered to cost their own manifesto. For all Corbyn's possible over-ambition, at least he seems to have an economic vision. I'm not sure what the Tory economic philosophy is right now.
As long as McTernan doesn't, he stands a chance.
U.K. Foreign Secretary PT 2
Maybe not, but you'd only spend one minute on the question rather than 15.
In all seriousness though, think this highlights that people always end up responding to power in politics. When he was trailing in the polls and new to the job, most of the party never took him seriously and wanted him gone. Now he's closing in, we're seeing more and more people back him, even in spite of certain differences. Would be a big positive if he can get in and pull different wings of the party together in order to govern effectively.
In the same way that him repeatedly condemning bombings has completely made that issue disappear.
The questions about Trident are a joke.
1) We don't have tactical nuke capability. Our subs aren't designed for it. If we needed to, we'd phone the Yanks, and ask them to do it.
2) The biggest threats to our country aren't from countries with Nuclear capability, it is from terrorist states and rogue agencies that can get their hands of WMDs. How do you nuke someone who delivers a weapon into the centre of your city on the back of a truck?
3) We have a Nuclear DETERRENT. It's a second use weapon. Wipe us out, and we will wipe you out. That's what the letters are about.
Bunch of thickos.
Tory lying and racism
And when Labour invariably loses this election they'll throw their hands in the air and say "see, we told you you should have picked Owen Smith instead" and drive a bigger bridge between themselves and the party members.
In all seriousness though, think this highlights that people always end up responding to power in politics. When he was trailing in the polls and new to the job, most of the party never took him seriously and wanted him gone. Now he's closing in, we're seeing more and more people back him, even in spite of certain differences. Would be a big positive if he can get in and pull different wings of the party together in order to govern effectively.
His son did and he tweeted about the article saying he agrees with less enthusiasm. Basically, he's said he's voting Labour.
Owen Smith would've been awful (his leadership campaign was dreadful) but I do think there's got to be some responsibility on his shoulders if Labour lose - their current positioning only looks good because of how shockingly they were doing before. Considering how bad May's campaign has been her party would've ideally been there for the taking in most elections.
He's already said he's voting LabourAll they need now is Blair's endorsement!
Not sure I've seen what Mandelson's plans are...
On the other hand, she wouldn't have called this election if it wasn't for the Labour infighting.
Nah. Not a massive deal to me. I'm largely against it, but certainly not big on my agenda.
He's already said he's voting Labour
Not sure I've seen what Mandelson's plans are...
Presumably he'd be in the same boat as Campbell and Blair. Probably.
Out of interest, will be interesting to see how Corbyn's Cabinet is adjusted if he is elected. Can see him giving Miliband a fairly prominent position, for one, although I suspect he'll continue to stand by McDonnell and Abbott.
Aye, very true.
Ok. We'll have to agree to disagree then I guess. I think the world is more dangerous than it was 5 years ago but I also think we are nowhere near nuclear war. If anyone is desperate/ crazy enough to be using nukes already, they're unlikely to be dissuaded by our 200 or so nukes. Imo anyway.
I don't think either of those would drag us in to the point where we're firing off nukes tbh but again, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
They do. And let's be completely honest with ourselves here, we depend on the USA overall in NATO.
Of course, he's much closer both personally and politically to McDonnell and Abbott and has been for decades.
True, even if the rest of the party become more receptive to him I imagine he'll want to keep his closest allies nearby.
So, what's everyone's predictions as things stand? I think Labour will get a bigger share of the vote than 2 years ago, but the Tories will still increase their MP share slightly.
Be surprised if most people weren't in the same boat. Just concede and move on. But it doesn't appear to have hurt him yet either.
Miliband has been good value of late.
Agreed. Annoyingly think the Tories will increase their majority, but only by about 15-20 as opposed to the earlier predicted massacre. Think it'll end up about 45-40 barring any big last minute shifts.
He's surprisingly witty on Twitter. Get the feeling he'd have fared better in 2015 if he'd been like that.
If anyone's very confident in a Tory win, you can now get 1/4 from a few places on May being PM after the election. Corbyn's 7/2.
I'm still gonna guess at a Tory majority of 50+ seats based on shy Tories and old people coming out to vote like the living dead as usual.
What the feck is going on? Is he hoping we'll forgive him and hide him in the country should he be discovered to have helped the Russians in the US election?