Ed Woodward | Post season 2017 edition

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LawCharltonBest said:
Does anyone know - when United go for player X, is it literally just Woodward by himself negotiating with the club and agent, or do United have professionals to help?
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Oh, he has his three amigos. They run about a bit, impersonating key figures in the transfer, confusing the selling club.

I've heard the three amigos are all Phelan, in three different guises: With shorts, sans shorts and with shorts + a very convincing rug.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Oh, he has his three amigos. They run about a bit, impersonating key figures in the transfer, confusing the selling club.

I've heard the three amigos are all Phelan, in three different guises: With shorts, sans shorts and with shorts + a very convincing rug.
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Yep ha ha etc

Its a genuine question
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Its a genuine question
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Can't help you, then.

Nobody seems to know precisely how Woody takes care of what you might call the football side of the operation.

Mind you, nobody seems to know precisely how he closes all them noodle sponsorship deals either.
 
My concern is that teams like City seem to have a long-term strategy in place. They have Txiki and Soriano in the background moving pieces around and making sure agents are connected with the team. Their work ensures they make quick, decisive moves in the market and there's very little mess. Look at Silva this year and in past the transfers of De Bruyne and Jesus. They just seem to get things done without it being a huge media event. It's a much better way to run a sports team.
 
What has he done wrong this summer? The Griezmann issue was hardly his fault, right?
 
An Irish Red said:
I think he gets undeserved stick really. He can only sign who the manager wants him to and getting players on the cheap isn't easy when the selling club knows how rich you are.
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That's partly his fault though. Remember his we have a "warchest" and we're not afraid to spend it quote a couple of seasons ago.
 
Not Woodward's fault regarding Griezmann. Yes his record during his tenure has been a bit hit and miss but the two previous managers were utterly clueless in terms of who they wanted to bring in and both previously had reputations for making bad signings at other clubs.
 
This is more exciting than the actual footy playing part of the season.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
My concern is that teams like City seem to have a long-term strategy in place. They have Txiki and Soriano in the background moving pieces around and making sure agents are connected with the team. Their work ensures they make quick, decisive moves in the market and there's very little mess. Look at Silva this year and in past the transfers of De Bruyne and Jesus. They just seem to get things done without it being a huge media event. It's a much better way to run a sports team.
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Eh.. the club never released anything official about griezman, it's the fans and press that assumes he's in the bag.
 
Sky1981 said:
Eh.. the club never released anything official about griezman, it's the fans and press that assumes he's in the bag.
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Except Woodward and Co. obviously brief the media, otherwise they wouldn't have these stories. Also, you have Woodward and co. saying "watch this space" and "United can do things in the transfer market other teams can't". No other club does this.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
My concern is that teams like City seem to have a long-term strategy in place. They have Txiki and Soriano in the background moving pieces around and making sure agents are connected with the team. Their work ensures they make quick, decisive moves in the market and there's very little mess. Look at Silva this year and in past the transfers of De Bruyne and Jesus. They just seem to get things done without it being a huge media event. It's a much better way to run a sports team.
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Bailly was so quickly no one had even heard of him. Some deals just take longer than others, especially when there's figures of 100m Euros being touted. It would take even longer when you consider that most transfers are paid in instalments throughout 4/5 years but due to their ban Atletico want 50m Euros up front. That's a ridiculous sum of money regardless of how rich we are.

Also it seems like it takes longer for us because you follow our transfer news more avidly than City's. You're probably looking at all these tweets for months of our transfer news whereas you're not exactly going to do the same for City because you don't follow City. I am sure there were links for months with Jesus and De Bruyne too. City's business has not been amazing at all though either. £50M a piece for Sane, Sterling and Stones is not good business at all considering the latter two have not lived up their potentials. Their CB signings have been woeful too. Each of our signings last year were a success. Perhaps half of their players last year were not good purchases because Stones is woeful, Gundogan is constantly injured, Bravo is Bravo and Nolito doesn't start.

Another factor to consider is that the more we milk the transfer, the more people are attracted to the whole saga and the more money we make as a whole.
 
Vito Corleone said:
Bailly was so quickly no one had even heard of him. Some deals just take longer than others, especially when there's figures of 100m Euros being touted. It would take even longer when you consider that most transfers are paid in instalments throughout 4/5 years but due to their ban Atletico want 50m Euros up front. That's a ridiculous sum of money regardless of how rich we are.

Also it seems like it takes longer for us because you follow our transfer news more avidly than City's. You're probably looking at all these tweets for months of our transfer news whereas you're not exactly going to do the same for City because you don't follow City. I am sure there were links for months with Jesus and De Bruyne too. City's business has not been amazing at all though either. £50M a piece for Sane, Sterling and Stones is not good business at all considering the latter two have not lived up their potentials. Their CB signings have been woeful too. Each of our signings last year were a success. Perhaps half of their players last year were not good purchases because Stones is woeful, Gundogan is constantly injured, Bravo is Bravo and Nolito doesn't start.

Another factor to consider is that the more we milk the transfer, the more people are attracted to the whole saga and the more money we make as a whole.
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Sane at £43m not a success but Pogba at £89m a success? Give over.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
My concern is that teams like City seem to have a long-term strategy in place. They have Txiki and Soriano in the background moving pieces around and making sure agents are connected with the team. Their work ensures they make quick, decisive moves in the market and there's very little mess. Look at Silva this year and in past the transfers of De Bruyne and Jesus. They just seem to get things done without it being a huge media event. It's a much better way to run a sports team.
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Except their deals don't really come out of nowhere, they work on them for months just like we do, and in fact they have been linked with many of the same players we have over the past 6 months and really for years now.
 
Devil_forever said:
Sane at £43m not a success but Pogba at £89m a success? Give over.
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I didn't say he wasn't. £43m for a 20 year old who'd proved nothing at the top level is overpaying IMO. He's been a good signing but they overpaid there, as did we admittedly.
 
goin4glory said:
No team has had more transfers derailed or become a circus in the past few years than us. Needs to get it sorted.
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Can you quantify that claim? Or is it possible United just get several hundred times more press than any other club?

dannyrhinos89 said:
That's partly his fault though. Remember his we have a "warchest" and we're not afraid to spend it quote a couple of seasons ago.
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The "war chest" comment was Gill wasn't it?
 
Rado_N said:
Can you quantify that claim? Or is it possible United just get several hundred times more press than any other club?



The "war chest" comment was Gill wasn't it?
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I'm sure it was Woodward that said it in his first window in the job
 
Rado_N said:
Can you quantify that claim? Or is it possible United just get several hundred times more press than any other club?



The "war chest" comment was Gill wasn't it?
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The 3 amigos with Herrera, paying 3/4 million more for Fellaini than if we'd bought him a few weeks earlier and his release clause was active. The Thiago transfer falling through. The last minute shotgun bids for De Rossi after Fabregas embarrassment. Even last summer Mourinho said he would have fought to sign Renato Sanches had he been in the job a few weeks earlier, Woodward and the board should have had a deal agreed with Mourinho long before they told LVG he was finished so he could plan.
 
goin4glory said:
The 3 amigos with Herrera, paying 3/4 million more for Fellaini than if we'd bought him a few weeks earlier and his release clause was active. The Thiago transfer falling through. The last minute shotgun bids for De Rossi after Fabregas embarrassment. Even last summer Mourinho said he would have fought to sign Renato Sanches had he been in the job a few weeks earlier, Woodward and the board should have had a deal agreed with Mourinho long before they told LVG he was finished so he could plan.
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1) Fellaini was a mess yes. the whole Moyes coupled with Woodie being new in the job made that summer really the only one that was a mess for us.
2) Thiago was linked heavily to Bayern at the same time he was linked to us, most United fans just chose to ignore those links and pretend Bayern snuck in at the last minute. He was always following Pep.
3) Jose was contacted as early as January to replace LvG according to some stories. It was pretty much a given from the moment he was fired by Chelsea. We got some deals done fairly quickly that summer, so it seems things were in place early enough.
 
goin4glory said:
The 3 amigos with Herrera, paying 3/4 million more for Fellaini than if we'd bought him a few weeks earlier and his release clause was active. The Thiago transfer falling through. The last minute shotgun bids for De Rossi after Fabregas embarrassment. Even last summer Mourinho said he would have fought to sign Renato Sanches had he been in the job a few weeks earlier, Woodward and the board should have had a deal agreed with Mourinho long before they told LVG he was finished so he could plan.
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And every other club?
 
JB08 said:
What has he done wrong this summer? The Griezmann issue was hardly his fault, right?
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He has had Jose's list for two months and sat on it. Although many on the list might have depended upon us making champions league, but i think since we have made the champions league, we should have been closer to knowing who our real targets are and be in advanced negotiations with them.


The problem for woody is jose has done his bit, if woody cant deliver then it will be his neck on the line along with and maybe even more than jose's. I still think we will see lots of movement once the Champions league final is done. Morata/jamez are good options, maybe even bale if he decides to pack it in. Fabinho will return from his honeymoon and now with bakayoko looking like he will stay we may focus on fabinho instead. Mendy is very available, City maybe in the lead but we should go hard for him. Then there is Belotti/Lukaku where even one of them will give us what we missed last season that is goals. Douglas costa/perisic/Lucas moura all are good winger options.
We can still have a great summer. We have to get one from every category from following
In order of preferance-
Strikers- Morata/belotti/Lukaku
Winger/Number10- Bale/Jamez/Lucas moura/ Douglas costa/ Perisic
Midfielder-Fabinho, Jean Seri,Dier,Matic
Defender- Jimenez,Lindelof, varane, Keane
Left back- Mendy, sessgnon

A summer of Morata, Jamez, Fabinho,Lindelof and Mendy would be fantastic.
 
JustAFan said:
1) Fellaini was a mess yes. the whole Moyes coupled with Woodie being new in the job made that summer really the only one that was a mess for us.
2) Thiago was linked heavily to Bayern at the same time he was linked to us, most United fans just chose to ignore those links and pretend Bayern snuck in at the last minute. He was always following Pep.
3) Jose was contacted as early as January to replace LvG according to some stories. It was pretty much a given from the moment he was fired by Chelsea. We got some deals done fairly quickly that summer, so it seems things were in place early enough.
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Mourinho said publicly he would have tried to sign Sanches had he been in earlier. So he certainly wasn't making plans with Woodward behind the scenes when he should have been. Woodward needs to wake up and realise the football world just sit around and wait for you to get your shit together. Other clubs are actively planning recruitment all season long.

Rado_N said:
And every other club?
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If you can list another club with the same amount of high profile transfer failings go ahead because I can't.
 
Rado_N said:
You're the one making claims.
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You don't know how the internet works, mate. First I say something mental, you ask me to back it up, I refuse, but even as you're asking me, I'm breakdancing and high fiving my own laptop off the table. I've got a baseball hat on backwards and you live in your nan's spare room.
 
Rado_N said:
You're the one making claims.
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So if I say no team has had no more high profile transfer failings than us I would then need to list the previous 3 seasons of transfers from every single major club?

Brophs said:
You don't know how the internet works, mate. First I say something mental, you ask me to back it up, I refuse, but even as you're asking me, I'm breakdancing and high fiving my own laptop off the table. I've got a baseball hat on backwards and you live in your nan's spare room.
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I did back it up. I named a half dozen failed high profile transfers as an example as to how bad it's been. If you have some evidence that disputes my claim then go ahead, otherwise pipe down.
 
Brophs said:
You don't know how the internet works, mate. First I say something mental, you ask me to back it up, I refuse, but even as you're asking me, I'm breakdancing and high fiving my own laptop off the table. I've got a baseball hat on backwards and you live in your nan's spare room.
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:lol:

goin4glory said:
So if I say no team has had no more high profile transfer failings than us I would then need to list the previous 3 seasons of transfers from every single major club?
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Kind of a baseless claim otherwise.
 
The post-Fergie era has gone worse than even the most ardent pessimist would have expected, and given Woodward is in charge of the whole club, he must carry a large share of the blame.

He's a genius when it comes to making money but when spending it he's overpaid time and again. We've ended up being played by agents and players; the most highly remunerated squad in world football shouldn't be finishing sixth in the league.

Hopefully this summer will be a turning point though.
 
Rado_N said:
Here's your claim:



I've bolded the bit that should give you a hint.
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Yeah my claim is no team and I supported that by listing a number of examples (and have more) you've disputed that by pointing out that team.........???? has been worse? No wait you've not not given any examples of any teams who've been worse.
 
goin4glory said:
Yeah my claim is no team and I supported that by listing a number of examples (and have more) you've disputed that by pointing out that team.........???? has been worse? No wait you've not not given any examples of any teams who've been worse.
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You're really struggling with this aren't you?

If you claim one thing is worse than any other, when you're asked to justify that claim you need to show more than the one thing.

You're making the claim so it's on you to back it up.

It's pretty obvious at this point that you've got absolutely no basis of comparison.
 
Rado_N said:
You're really struggling with this aren't you?

If you claim one thing is worse than any other, when you're asked to justify that claim you need to show more than the one thing.

You're making the claim so it's on you to back it up.

It's pretty obvious at this point that you've got absolutely no basis of comparison.
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I think it's you whose struggling with this.

I've said no one has had more transfers derailed or become a circus in the past few years than us, then I've supported that claim by giving numerous examples of our failed transfers.

If you disagree with this then plz show some work on another club with more high profile failings, the onus isn't on me to disprove my own opinion.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
Except Woodward and Co. obviously brief the media, otherwise they wouldn't have these stories. Also, you have Woodward and co. saying "watch this space" and "United can do things in the transfer market other teams can't". No other club does this.
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How do you know that they brief the media?

Besides, the watch the space is last year quote and fyi we Break the world record purchase on pogba
 
Not sure why he deserves any criticism right now. It's all very convenient for Mourinho to distance himself by saying " I have given list" but that means nothing when a player on it wants to remain at his club. I don't see what Woodward can do about grizemann preferring to stay at Atletico Madrid.

Having said that for the summer ahead I hope we are prudent in our spending. People say it's not your money etc. But I like when a club gets value for what it spends. There's no need to go ridiculously overboard and pay huge amounts for good played and absurd amount for very good players.
 
goin4glory said:
I think it's you whose struggling with this.

I've said no one has had more transfers derailed or become a circus in the past few years than us, then I've supported that claim by giving numerous examples of our failed transfers.

If you disagree with this then plz show some work on another club with more high profile failings, the onus isn't on me to disprove my own opinion.
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off the top of my head

arsenal

1. bid for vardy (lol) rejected and vardy signs a new contract
2. both alexis and ozil decide to not renew their contracts
3. gets rejected by lacazette benzema and many other strikers
4. not buying anyone in 15/16 other than Cech.
5. sagna decide to leave them for city on a free

liverpool

1. gotze fires his agent because he is linked to liverpool
2. sanchez prefers arsenal over them
3. Buying Balotelli and unsurprisingly he flops for them
4. letting chelsea swoop in for salah in the 11th hour
5. missing Alli's signing who is a liverpool fan because of gerrard
6. their then best player sterling chooses to reject liverpool contract and move to city
 
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