The woman telling the campaigner she doesn't give a shit about the IRA was pretty funny tbf.
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Yes. The question was awful.
Tbf, the author is clearly right wing. FT's coverage of the French election and the Turkish referendum was excellent.
https://www.ft.com/content/54546e9a-486d-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43
Maybe, but there is an undercurrent of hatred more generally. McDonnell has spouted enough bile over the years.
Probably a back lash from Brexit tbh. There's a generation war going on with the young and old having very different views, so unsurprising that there's conflict. What saddens me is watching politicians resort to that behavior.
Corbyn supporters are drawing parallels with Trump supporters? 
I suppose the Tories & the media have only been pleasant and nothing but polite & inviting to Corbyn & his aides since he's become Labour leader.
I suppose the Tories & the media have only been pleasant and nothing but polite & inviting to Corbyn & his aides since he's become Labour leader.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but what lead you to believe that the woman was a Corbyn supporter? As far as I have seen she simply didn't like the Conservatives.
They've been spreading their nonsense and lies as well via their social media.
The "Leave EU" twitter page has to be one of the worst culprits on Twitter.
So i was thinking, 1 attack probably suits May and the conservatives as bad as that sounds. Conservatives will close borders, Corbyns too soft, that kinda stuff.
2 terrorist attacks, surely makes a few think, they must be doing something wrong, time for a change?
2 terrorist attacks, surely makes a few think, they must be doing something wrong, time for a change?
Corbyn supporters are drawing parallels with Trump supporters?
I suppose the Tories & the media have only been pleasant and nothing but polite & inviting to Corbyn & his aides since he's become Labour leader.
Identifying the media in the negative was a trope of the Trump campaign, no?
And let's not pretend that Corbyn wasn't rather cool toward them himself, a situation which deteriorated further thanks to the regularity of leaks to the press. They got off on the wrong foot and the relationship has never really recovered.
Corbyn should really hammer home the police cuts as much as possible IMO.
Yeah, nothing to do with the Tories' pledge to drop Leveson 2. It's because Corbyn didn't kiss their feet when he first became leader that they're almost all backing May.
Trump didn't win because he identified the media, and him identifying the media wasn't what galvanised his deplorables.
That was just in addition to the vitriol he was spouting, and the groups he was targeting in his campaign.
Lets not pretend that the press & media haven't intentionally and maliciously targeted Corbyn for any and every move he's made, word he's spoke, or item of clothing he's worn, while simultaneously covering for every Tory short falling, and misrepresenting the news.
Social media is really the only route Corbyn has been able to get a fair battle.
Hateful against Tory policies? Nothing more than sound logic at this stage.
Corbyn supporters are drawing parallels with Trump supporters?
I suppose the Tories & the media have only been pleasant and nothing but polite & inviting to Corbyn & his aides since he's become Labour leader.
It's only liberals who get offended remember. It's only conservatives who rely on bare facts.
No right-leaning person has ever lost their mind when talking about politics - remember that.
Nope, hateful towards other journalists and anyone who criticises Corbyn in anyway.
I forgot, it's only the lefties who emotionally unhinged.
There's plenty of this, and it's tiresome, but I think it's important to remember it comes from an increasingly small minority or Corbyn's support.
Not when it's either completely unobjective, or just utter bullshit/fake news (sites like The Canary)
Or things like this:
Which is completely unfounded (Rees-Mogg has nothing to do with Wentworth Woodhouse, it's held by the National Trust) but the meme been shared on Facebook more than 50k times, and the comments section is an angry meltdown with the likes of "feck RICH TORY SCUM" and "Can't wait for Corbyn to oust this crooked shithouse lot!!!!111"
Certainly no right-leaning person called Boris Johnson either, oh not at all.
Not when it's either completely unobjective, or just utter bullshit/fake news (sites like The Canary)
Or things like this:
Which is completely unfounded (Rees-Mogg has nothing to do with Wentworth Woodhouse, it's held by the National Trust) but the meme been shared on Facebook more than 50k times, and the comments section is an angry meltdown with the likes of "feck RICH TORY SCUM" and "Can't wait for Corbyn to oust this crooked shithouse lot!!!!111"
So you want me to get mad about the reality of the internet?
And wait a minute, you can't be seriously suggesting Brexiteers/Tories and the like aren't posting similar shite (only against Labour etc) everywhere?
I don't even know how people can stand reading Facebook comments anymore. It's the greatest example of why being an adult means feck all for your maturity.
Quite possibly- I've got that within my own family with my mother voting leave and eventually admitted it was in part down to immigration- wasn't great when my non-white immigrant was spending two hours cooking for us all.
The resentment of the old for their housing wealth and pensions is pretty simplistic- as she pointed out, she grew up in a house with an outside loo and had rationing, so not like they sailed through their whole lives living the life of riley.
Fair enough on that instance. There is a level of vitriol, even in this thread though, which is unpleasant.
No, but the tone of the very people who are supposed to be progressive and moral appears to be getting increasingly hateful.
Here's a short story. I used to vote Conservative, but after 2015, joined the Liberal Democrats for a short time, because at heart, I'm very socially liberal. I went to three meetings before I realised just how out of place I was, all I heard was "Right wing prick this" and "Conservative cnuts that" - these people were far more hateful than anybody I'd met from the right.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't pompous Tories that look down on those they consider beneath them, but what I am saying, is that some younger modern liberals appear to be losing sight of the very thing they're supposed to be championing - free speech itself! Everywhere on social media, I see visceral hate towards Conservative politicians, members and even voters. There's a guy I work with, who, at work seems like a likeable, reasoable bloke, but last night made a status update ranting on about how Corbyn has to win and any 'Tory voting cnuts' in his friend list will get deleted.
I don't know what point I'm trying to make here, I guess I just want to share my observations.
Not when it's either completely unobjective, or just utter bullshit/fake news (sites like The Canary)
Or things like this:
Which is completely unfounded (Rees-Mogg has nothing to do with Wentworth Woodhouse, it's held by the National Trust) but the meme been shared on Facebook more than 50k times, and the comments section is an angry meltdown with the likes of "feck RICH TORY SCUM" and "Can't wait for Corbyn to oust this crooked shithouse lot!!!!111"
That's not strictly true though is it? I've done 5 minutes of research and uncovered the following:
- Mr Rees-Mogg’s mother-in-law, inherited the family fortune but not Wentworth Woodhouse. She is one of the trustees of the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust, which has raised £7m to acquire the house.
- One of his children has Wentworth as a middle named implying that he clearly has a fondness to the building.
- He had no involvement in the campaign for the grant of the £7.6 million.
So what exactly is wrong with the image?
- It says Rees-Mogg himself has been awarded the grant. Which isn't true, his wife might be a member of the trust which was awarded the money, but she's by no means the owner.
- A fondness for the building isn't ownership of the building.
- If you've divined he had no involvement in the campaign, what exactly has he done wrong?
I'm not sure either. It reads a bit like 'since when does free speech include being allowed to say you detest certain political views?'.
No it doesn't.
- It doesn't say he received the grant at all? It's poor choice of wording but it never states he owns it. It's ambiguous though.
- A fondness of the building which his family used to own does mean he is biased towards that building.
- His family is involved in the campaign.
I'm sure there are better examples of lying, but that isn't one of them. Everything that's in that poster is true (although not sure about the benefits given I couldn't be arsed to research that).
Of course there's hate and frustration. People are fed up of the disgusting policies and tactics employed by the tories.
Where the hell is this idea that liberals have to be pleasant and aren't allowed an emotional reaction come from?
Sorry you're right, it doesn't say he was awarded the grant...
...but his family never lived there. His wife's family used to live there, several generations ago. This isn't about 'doing up' his 'wifes home' - it's about renovating a public building of which they have a particular affection for.
I don't see how campaigning in aid of a building you have a fondness for is such a bad thing? The implication is that he's somehow crooked, and like I said, the comments section has a bunch of people who all seem to think he's pocketed the cash for himself.
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I never said they had to be, but blind hate isn't really very objective is it? I don't find it very open minded to cast all of your Conservative voting friends as 'sub-human Tory scum'
You see similar images on anti-Labour facebook pages
https://www.facebook.com/Labour-Party-Exposed-608859952481217/
Like this one
https://www.facebook.com/Labour-Party-Exposed-608859952481217/
Like this one
Literally two generations ago! His Mother In Law is on the board to preserve the building, her father owned the building! His kid has been named after the building. It's a conflict of interest.
But there is basically nothing wrong with that poster, it's all fact. I personally don't care, I don't mind buildings like that being preserved. But given the corruption charges flying around the Tory Government his word doesn't unfortunately mean a great deal for me.
You could almost describe it as her 'ancestral home'.
But you're talking about reactionary behaviour so openmindnesses doesn't really come into it. I'm certainly not unpleasant to tory/ukip family and friends but using indirect hostile language towards a group indirectly whose ideals you hate is hardly shocking. Heck we have a whole musical genre for it.
'Poor choice of wording'
Come on, you know it's inflammatory shit designed to give the impression that he personally trousers the money to get new wallpaper etc...Not entirely sure BBC are justified in postponing tonight's Question Time. Especially after showing Shop Well For Less and Points of View earlier.
National campaigning is suspended for the day, so surely they had no choice?
Not sure it's hateful. Angry it is most definitely.
Don't be under the illusion that we're supposed to join hands and sing songs when differing significantly on how to take the country forward. Even more so, differing massively on how we treat the most vulnerable in society.
I never and will never look at the Tories or their voters as evil. I will, however fight (even if just in conversation) against Tory nonsense. Frankly, I would be against any political party that holds the policies they do. Their toff-like sound and appearance actually never concerned me - there's plenty of them in Labour. I do think the typical Tory politican hasn't a clue about how to relate to the middle and working classes but I'll leave that for another day.
The right literally will call people who lean left (at all) mentally ill, immature, slowflakes who ideally want to live in Narnia (or a safe space, whichever is available).
Free speech never meant you could be a beast without having the mob with torches at your door. As much as I've alluded to mob violence there, provided it doesn't reach that stage I don't see what the problem is. The best arguments rarely involve calling someone a cnut anyway.
Look there's still a significant portion of the Tories who want to bring back fox hunting for fecks sake. They are cnuts! Yes taring them with all the same brush is wrong but generally it's difficult to not sympathise with the anger.
Oh and just delete the self-important prick off Facebook. Who the hell is still making soapbox statuses about removing people from their friends list in 2017? Maybe I'm getting old...
I have a major problem with a Government Cutting services to Hospitals, Social Services, schools and the Emergency Services while giving tax breaks to big business.
I remember going to a school where the roofs leaked, the wind blew in through the windows and the heating was broken more often than not. We used to wear outdoor coats in the classrooms. I remember hospitals that had paint peeling off of the walls and signs of damp and decay on every wall and window.
Do I have a problem with a Government that historically underfunded Essential services? Yeah you bet I do and I'm not going to apologise for it.
It is their ancestral home.