Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

So you're telling me if that if Poch was managing Real, Barca or Bayern, he wouldn't get a few titles under his belt too?? The question is are you equally confident that if PG was managing Spurs, he would turn them into world beaters? Pep won NOTHING with your lot this season!

No I think he would, but without trophies he won't be considered a great and can't be considered in the same bracket as multi champs league winners like Jose, Pep etc.. If he goes another season at Spurs without a trophy that will be 4 seasons. Pep won nothing in 1 season, in his 9 seasons he's won 22 trophies. Poch has been a manager for 8 years and won zilch. Is Poch a great manager? yes, will his day come eventually? I hope so.

As of right now to say a manager with zero trophies in 8 years is better than one with 22 in 9 is a ridiculous statement.
 
Think De Gea is staying now that United are back in the Champions League.

I think United will hold them off too as DDG seems settled there. If he is to move or Courtois than the fee will smash Edersons. United are believed to have rejected £60m from Madrid already.
 
I think United will hold them off too as DDG seems settled there. If he is to move or Courtois than the fee will smash Edersons. United are believed to have rejected £60m from Madrid already.
For sure. De Gea is only second to Buffon, imo.
 
I've changed radically my opinion of Pep, not because of his results (I don't go knee jerk by a bad season) but the insane cash spent on several players (most of them are promises, yet he called out Madrid for their signing of Vinicius, is that hypocrisy?). FFS, he alone is mega-inflating the market by himself, making imposible for everybody else to make a signing. In Spain there's rumors of him interested in Lucas Hernandez (bench defender in Atleti) and since he's splashing all that money the press is talking about 50m euros. A bench guy. Whether it's true or not, the fact is that the market is already destabilized, journos can make up insane transfer prices because Guardiola gave them reason to do so. Now any club that receives a well reasoned offer for some literal who, they have no reason to sell given the prices flying on the market.

Hurting football as a whole right now, and that's a guy with fame for playing academy players... yeah, the ones nurtured in other academies.

The market is destabilized because of the recent increase in financial strength of Premier League Clubs, the wealth of Real Madrid and Barcelona and investors in other countries showing a willingness to spend large amounts on players they hope will return their team back to its glory days.

Pep is just running with the system. Heck, read this Forum. A lot of people here are laughing at Arsenal's unwillingness to invest heavily. It's the new reality, Guardiola is just following it.

If you want to blame anybody for the inflated prices, blame the consumers. Ultimately, they're the ones who determine the market.
 
linked with bertrand today instead of mendy, the stropping on bluemoon is utter boss. 3 days ago VVD was great and a top cb, yesterday they tried their best to convince each other he was meh
 
linked with bertrand today instead of mendy, the stropping on bluemoon is utter boss. 3 days ago VVD was great and a top cb, yesterday they tried their best to convince each other he was meh
Should hopefully calm some folks down and show that City haven't already won the league.
 
Seems we're in for Mendy and Bertrand which wouldn't be too bad. Just wonder what happens to one of Kolarov or Otamendi now.
 
I wouldn't be disappointed if we signed Bertrand, he's a very capable player and better than what we had last season, be a decent addition to the squad.
 
Think both Bertrand and Walker will be very good signings for them if they go ahead.

Both are two of the best players in their respective positions in the league even if the pair will likely be overpriced due to the English factor. The fullback area is the most pressing concern in City's team and has been worrisome for a few years now. Fresh impetus there could breathe new life and energy into the team.

How do we envisage City lining up next year?

Ederson
Walker - Stones - CB - Bertrand
Fernandinho
De Bruyne - D. Silva
B. Silva - Jesus - Sane

Subs: Bravo; Otamendi, Kompany; Gundogan, Y. Toure; Sterling, Aguero
Pretty scary looking side. Not sure about Stones starting though.
 
Think both Bertrand and Walker will be very good signings for them if they go ahead.

Both are two of the best players in their respective positions in the league even if the pair will likely be overpriced due to the English factor. The fullback area is the most pressing concern in City's team and has been worrisome for a few years now. Fresh impetus there could breathe new life and energy into the team.

How do we envisage City lining up next year?

Ederson
Walker - Stones - CB - Bertrand
Fernandinho
De Bruyne - D. Silva
B. Silva - Jesus - Sane

Subs: Bravo; Otamendi, Kompany; Gundogan, Y. Toure; Sterling, Aguero
Pretty scary looking side. Not sure about Stones starting though.

Assuming the only signings are Walker and Bertrand then I think that's a reasonable shout. I would have Kompany in at centre back, he finished the season very strongly. I would also be surprised not to see Aguero in most starting 11s but don't ask me to choose a person to be dropped, possibly B Silva might be introduced slowly. Gundogan instead of Fernandinho might be interesting, very very attack minded.

I think the reality is that City won't have a starting 11 but a squad of say 15 or 16 who play regularly. There has to be a mentality of not keeping players happy by having them constantly on the pitch, rotation should be expected. Certainly with the forward players you could rotate frequently without diminishing the potency of the attack and at the same time keeping the freshness.

The worries are the obvious ones over Gundogan and Kompany's fitness, the defensive midfield role, Ederson adapting to the league and ensuring the progress made by the younger players (Stones, Jesus, Sane and Sterling) continues.

More signings will make things even more complicated, not least as potentially there could be Iheanacho, Garcia and Maffeo also involved. Nice problem to have!
 
Don't rate Bertrand that much, think he's not that suited for what Pep wants in the fullback position. Walker could be excellent for City, but I can see Spurs absolutely rinsing them for it.

Also what's the deal with Ederson, why City's OS hasn't announced him so far(apologies, if I've missed that news).
 
Don't rate Bertrand that much, think he's not that suited for what Pep wants in the fullback position. Walker could be excellent for City, but I can see Spurs absolutely rinsing them for it.

Also what's the deal with Ederson, why City's OS hasn't announced him so far(apologies, if I've missed that news).

Bertrand's decent but yes Mendy would be a much more exciting signing (the rumours are that they want both).

As for Ederson, Txiki noted the Red Cafe meltdown when B Silva was announced so they're waiting for the caf to upgrade their servers before confirming any further signings.
 
Bertrand's decent but yes Mendy would be a much more exciting signing (the rumours are that they want both).

As for Ederson, Txiki noted the Red Cafe meltdown when B Silva was announced so they're waiting for the caf to upgrade their servers before confirming any further signings.

Nah, Ederson isn't that important. If we don't make a signing in the next ten days, then Niall will have to close down the board.
 
Nah, Ederson isn't that important. If we don't make a signing in the next ten days, then Niall will have to close down the board.

I'd love to see the reaction if your next signing is Joe Hart..
 
Don't rate Bertrand that much, think he's not that suited for what Pep wants in the fullback position. Walker could be excellent for City, but I can see Spurs absolutely rinsing them for it.

Also what's the deal with Ederson, why City's OS hasn't announced him so far(apologies, if I've missed that news
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Ederson is owned by Benfica, Rio Ave and Mendes' Management Company and all have to be bought out separately hence the delay.
 
I'd love to see the reaction if your next signing is Joe Hart..

Yeah would be bad. I shudder to think the reaction here if a world class manager given more than 150m had failed to win any title in last season, but thankfully didn't happen. Bullet dodged.
 
Yeah would be bad. I shudder to think the reaction here if a world class manager given more than 150m had failed to win any title in last season, but thankfully didn't happen. Bullet dodged.

Touche KM! Its truly bizarre how optimistic I feel.
 
Touche KM! Its truly bizarre how optimistic I feel.

You absolutely should. He's making a completely new team in his own image, if that doesn't work then nothing else will for Pep's City.
 
Ederson now confirmed, as per Sky Sports News.
 
@DanClancy He's got a year left so he'll sign it around November I'd say. Could spend very much of the new season at 2nd choice RB so I'd say he's waiting to see how much play time he gets.
 
@DanClancy He's got a year left so he'll sign it around November I'd say. Could spend very much of the new season at 2nd choice RB so I'd say he's waiting to see how much play time he gets.

I see, thought his contact was up this summer; My mistake.
 
If they go into the season with Fernandinho, Silva and De Bruyne as their midfield, they'll face defensive problems in bigger games again. Only two of De Bruyne, David Silva and Bernardo Silva should be in the lineup at any time imo.
 
I'm not even sure Pep will sign a new midfielder, he'l certainly buy 2 fullbacks and a centre half and according to reports he seems intent on bringing Sanchez to the club.
 
If they go into the season with Fernandinho, Silva and De Bruyne as their midfield, they'll face defensive problems in bigger games again. Only two of De Bruyne, David Silva and Bernardo Silva should be in the lineup at any time imo.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting all 3 next season as a regular occurrence. There was several times this season when he only started Fernandino or Toure as a conventional midfielder.
 
In the last 3 seasons City have spent over 400 million and all they've got to show for that is a League Cup


That is hilarious
 
In the last 3 seasons City have spent over 400 million and all they've got to show for that is a League Cup


That is hilarious

Are you including the Ederson and Bernardo fees? They haven't even played yet.
 
In the last 3 seasons City have spent over 400 million and all they've got to show for that is a League Cup


That is hilarious
It's been the case ever since we first won the title, to be honest. Even discounting the fees for Bernardo Silva and Ederson, our recruitment has not delivered and the blame lies squarely with our board. Txiki Begiristain and Manuel Pellegrini put the squad back years, all the way to 2010, in my opinion. We had no backbone, we were too old, in need of serious improvement in too many neglected areas and short of home grown players.

Not only did we spend four years throwing millions on tripe like Bravo, Rodwell, Sinclair, Mangala, Fernando, Jovetic, Navas and Bony, but we kept players like Demichelis way past their sell-by date and gave them first team places. The amount of times the ball was shifted out right to Navas only for him to hit the first man, the amount of times Fernando was caught in possession, the amount of times Bony snapped at a chance and sliced it.

Pellegrini's style of football constantly left us vulnerable. Once we lost control of a game there was no way we were getting the momentum back. Due to terrible recruitment at the back we had to rush Kompany into the side after injuries on several occasions which is why things got so bad. It's no coincidence that his longest run of good fitness (which is currently at about 6 months) has come immediately after his longest break.

There are signs under Pep that we're getting there. Our signings are much younger, we're focusing on bringing in a couple of homegrown players to boost the numbers, but after that 2012 title we should have kicked on and become a super club. But instead of getting Hazard, Van Persie and De Rossi we got Sinclair, Rodwell and Balotelli for another six months. Five major trophies since 2011 is more than I ever dreamed of but it's not as good as it could have been.
 
It's been the case ever since we first won the title, to be honest. Even discounting the fees for Bernardo Silva and Ederson, our recruitment has not delivered and the blame lies squarely with our board. Txiki Begiristain and Manuel Pellegrini put the squad back years, all the way to 2010, in my opinion. We had no backbone, we were too old, in need of serious improvement in too many neglected areas and short of home grown players.

Not only did we spend four years throwing millions on tripe like Bravo, Rodwell, Sinclair, Mangala, Fernando, Jovetic, Navas and Bony, but we kept players like Demichelis way past their sell-by date and gave them first team places. The amount of times the ball was shifted out right to Navas only for him to hit the first man, the amount of times Fernando was caught in possession, the amount of times Bony snapped at a chance and sliced it.

Pellegrini's style of football constantly left us vulnerable. Once we lost control of a game there was no way we were getting the momentum back. Due to terrible recruitment at the back we had to rush Kompany into the side after injuries on several occasions which is why things got so bad. It's no coincidence that his longest run of good fitness (which is currently at about 6 months) has come immediately after his longest break.

There are signs under Pep that we're getting there. Our signings are much younger, we're focusing on bringing in a couple of homegrown players to boost the numbers, but after that 2012 title we should have kicked on and become a super club. But instead of getting Hazard, Van Persie and De Rossi we got Sinclair, Rodwell and Balotelli for another six months. Five major trophies since 2011 is more than I ever dreamed of but it's not as good as it could have been.
Good post agree with it all.

Hindsight is wonderful for signings and I'd never berate one or two bad ones amongst a handful of great ones, but the consistency that we've been getting it wrong over the last few years is staggering. Thankfully last summer saw that change, and another summer of talent mixed with youth will leave us in an excellent place compared to 18 months ago. Fingers crossed.
 
It's been the case ever since we first won the title, to be honest. Even discounting the fees for Bernardo Silva and Ederson, our recruitment has not delivered and the blame lies squarely with our board. Txiki Begiristain and Manuel Pellegrini put the squad back years, all the way to 2010, in my opinion. We had no backbone, we were too old, in need of serious improvement in too many neglected areas and short of home grown players.

Not only did we spend four years throwing millions on tripe like Bravo, Rodwell, Sinclair, Mangala, Fernando, Jovetic, Navas and Bony, but we kept players like Demichelis way past their sell-by date and gave them first team places. The amount of times the ball was shifted out right to Navas only for him to hit the first man, the amount of times Fernando was caught in possession, the amount of times Bony snapped at a chance and sliced it.

Pellegrini's style of football constantly left us vulnerable. Once we lost control of a game there was no way we were getting the momentum back. Due to terrible recruitment at the back we had to rush Kompany into the side after injuries on several occasions which is why things got so bad. It's no coincidence that his longest run of good fitness (which is currently at about 6 months) has come immediately after his longest break.

There are signs under Pep that we're getting there. Our signings are much younger, we're focusing on bringing in a couple of homegrown players to boost the numbers, but after that 2012 title we should have kicked on and become a super club. But instead of getting Hazard, Van Persie and De Rossi we got Sinclair, Rodwell and Balotelli for another six months. Five major trophies since 2011 is more than I ever dreamed of but it's not as good as it could have been.
Nothing to do with Txiki or Pelle.
Are you going to name the guilty men for the calamity that was the 2012/13 window or not?
 
That scenario isn't unusual and perfectly legitimate. See Stoke City.

How should be that legitimate, the owner is the prince of Saudi that means he has unlimited pockets which he can channel into the club in the name of sponsorship without having to negotiate any deals.
 
How should be that legitimate, the owner is the prince of Saudi that means he has unlimited pockets which he can channel into the club in the name of sponsorship without having to negotiate any deals.
The owner is from UAE, just to be clear.

Anyway, it's important to keep it mind that FFP is not actually about leveling the field or being "fair" (despite the name). It's more so about preventing clubs from spending more than they can afford and thus endangering their existence down the line. A Rangers, Portsmouth, Leeds type of thing. Not so much City and PSG. At least that's what it looks like to me. I don't think it's going to affect them that much anymore.
 
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