General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Yeah, supposedly she's been diagnosed with a serious long-term underlying condition. I tend to side with the person who is ill rather than assume they are lying cretins.
 
No they weren't, Person 1 was closer than either of them. The question didn't ask for an explanation of what a litre was, it asked for the volume of the tank. It might be the result of blind luck, but it doesn't invalidate Person 1's answer being closest.

I'd also call this a good example of the importance of humility. Person 2 and 3 believed their understanding of what a litre and volume were was considerably more accurate than Person 1. It turns out they were extremely mistaken. If 100 litres seems like a ridiculous answer when the tank holds 100,000 litres, then guessing 400,000 litres more (or indeed 900,000) shows that they also don't know what a litre is, and more so than Person 1.
No. The tank could well have held 500,000 litres. It would only have had to be about twice as tall. It's not a crazy answer

For it to hold 1000 litres, it would have been smaller than a human
 
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Let's say you get 3 people in a room, and gave them all a quiz question.

Question: How many Litres does this tank hold

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It's a hard question. The human brain does not deal with large numbers well at all, and the cylindrical shape makes things more difficult. There is also little sense of scale. Still nonetheless, everyone gives it their best shot.

Person 1 goes first. He has no idea what a litre is, so says 100 litres. Everyone else laughs.
Person 2 goes next. He thinks about it for a long time and then says 1 million litres. Person 1 goes a bit pale in the face.
Person 3 divides the two and says 500,000 litres, confident that Person 1 was over, but not way over.

The quiz master reveals the answer; 100,000 litres.

Everyone stops to think for a second before releasing that Person 1 has won. He's only 99,900 litres out. Person 3 is next closest being 400,000 litres out.

But if you stop to think about it, it's obvious that Person 2 and Person 3 were a lot closer than Person 1. Person 1 had no concept of what a Litre even was.

There are two ways to deal with this; percentages and orders of magnitude.

As a percentage, Person 1 was 99.9% out. Person 3 was 80% out. But Person 1 argues Person 3 wasn't 80% out, but 400% out.

The better way to deal with this is with orders of magnitude. Person 1 was 3 orders of magnitude out, Person 3 less than one order of magnitude out (0.69)

None of this has anything to do with the General Election, other than to say, Diane Abbott's an idiot. I try to defend her, we all have off days, (Barack Obama said he was a Muslim when he had a cold). But there is a non insignificant difference in saying something costs 50000 times less than it will do, and getting a single digit wrong.

:lol: I can only applaud your commitment there.

Do hope Diane's okay though.
 
No. The tank could well have held 500,000 litres. It would only have had to be about twice as tall. It's not a crazy answer

For it to hold 1000 litres, it would have been smaller than a human

Yet he was closest, and they weren't.
 
Diane Abbott's an idiot.

She's also a bit of a liar as well - only 'ill' when it suits her.

Remember when she ' had a migraine ' during the BREXIT vote, but was seen drinking in the Commons Bar ?

And the other day, 'too ill' to appear on a radio programme but was photographed in an underground station less than five minutes walk from the studio ?

Only on the Opposition Front Bench because she was Crobyn's bed partner in their youth and he owes her.

:nono:

"Diane Abbott has been diagnosed with “a serious, long-term condition”, Barry Gardiner, the shadow international trade secretary, has told the Huffington Post."
 
Well ya will sign that Lisbon Treaty!
Brexit had very little to do with the Lisbon Treaty, it was a split on the Tory right and Cameron gambled the country's future on a referendum to consolidate his position.

Or this, which is/ was only partially a 'joke'

Economically speaking, Labour's record is fine (despite the biggest financial collapse in history, which wasn't of Labour's making).
 
Much as I / we might moan about Abbott's incompetence, it seems fairly innocuous compared to her often bad tempered replacement -

http://www.conservativehome.com/lef...-taken-to-discipline-labour-mp-lyn-brown.html

No - I'm not a conservative voter, but succinctly explains what I'm going on about....

And just to add - she actually resigned from Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet last year saying that his position of Labour Leader was ' untenable '....
 
Yet he was closest, and they weren't.
If the quiz was to be the closest, then of course Person 1 has won.

But I didn't say that, I asked how much it held.

There are any number of ways you could score such a competition, but the worst way would be to go for a pure "who is the closest method", if you want people to guess accurately.

The furthest you can be away by guessing under, is 100%. There is no upper limit on how far you can be away if you guess over.
 
How many stars are there in the milky way galaxy?

Diane Abbott; well about 4.
Phillip Hammond; err, 1 trillion.

Surprisingly Diane Abbott has won!
 
How many stars are there in the milky way galaxy?

Diane Abbott; well about 4.
Phillip Hammond; err, 1 trillion.

Surprisingly Diane Abbott has won!

Yeah well, seems to me that Hammond, the great big wally, is idiotically confusing it with the neighbouring Andromeda Galaxy which reputedly (wiki) does have 1 trillion stars. It must have been cloudy when Diane was looking.
 
Brexit had very little to do with the Lisbon Treaty, it was a split on the Tory right and Cameron gambled the country's future on a referendum to consolidate his position.

I wasn't being entirely serious, just trying to find a tenuous link between Brexit and the last Labour government.
 
You have inspired me to waste the last 45 minutes.
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With some reason, perhaps -

Corbyn's voting record on important Security debates in the Commons....

Those he voted against...

1984 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Outlawed NI terror groups.
1985 Updating the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974: Gave emergency powers to police forces to quiz terror suspects travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain
1989 Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989: Law that requires candidates for election in local and Northern Ireland Assembly to declare they will never support terrorism
1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Banned support for the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army
1989 Security Service Act: Established legal basis of the UK Security Service for the first time – giving security services the function of protecting the UK from terrorism
1991 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions): Allowed police to search sites for weapons and arms
1996 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act: Banned possession of items for terrorists
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records

And the two he abstained on:

2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.
 
May has fecked this up so hard. A few months ago, Labour were there for the taking.

She just seems so complacent.
 
Brexit had very little to do with the Lisbon Treaty, it was a split on the Tory right and Cameron gambled the country's future on a referendum to consolidate his position.

As a Eurosceptic of some years standing, i must beg to differ. The EU Con, Lisbon Treaty and resultant lies over referenda, played a significant role in the sovereignty argument. Moreover, holding a vote back then could've lanced the boil if you will.

There was also the total fiasco of accession states to the EU, with Labour estimating that just 13,000 would move to Britain. The ensuing debate then became dangerously polarised and the government lost the trust of many voters.
 
As a Eurosceptic of some years standing, i must beg to differ. The EU Con, Lisbon Treaty and resultant lies over referenda, played a significant role in the sovereignty argument. Moreover, holding a vote back then could've lanced the boil if you will.

There was also the total fiasco of accession states to the EU, with Labour estimating that just 13,000 would move to Britain. The ensuing debate then became dangerously polarised and the government lost the trust of many voters.
Largely agree, although the media has played it's part
 
OK...

But hardly a DailyHateMail reader....I'd prefer you call me a LFC supporter than accuse me of being a DailyHateMail reader....

Well, that's unfortunately how you're coming across on this page.

My Dad suffered from long term illness so I can relate and it can be an utter feck. It was also the cause of his death. Hope she's ok.
 
Reported to mods....

You may not be a cnut, but you're being one at the moment. Diane Abbott is someone's mother, daughter, sister, wife, etc. She's genuinely ill and you're here trying to score political points by belittling that fact.
 
I hope the mods just call that ''Saying Something You Might Think But Probably Shouldn't Say'' Contest a draw & we can forget it happened eh?

You could both delete for instance - show a bit of willing.

(just an idea)
 
In defence of those questioning whether she is ill:

- She was on Sky News yesterday
- There have been lots of rumours that Corbyn was under pressure to remove her.
- On Sky News yesterday, she was repeatedly (like 10 times) asked if Corbyn was about to remove her, whether she had been gagged with by her own party, whether she ran her bookings past her own party first, whether the party was exasperated by her not running her own bookings past the party and making a fool out of herself...
- It's the day before the General Election
- She said she wasn't planning on stepping aside yesterday
- She said she didn't know if Corbyn would pick her as Home Secretary