Corbyn is likeable for sure but the reasons why Labour lost this election in non brutal fashion also include a manifesto that was promised the earth but was proven to be total bollocks, the collapse of the UKIP vote and a truly pathetic campaign from the Tories. If Corbyn's Labour want to actually get close to getting in power they do need to appeal to a broader audience.
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Corbyn is likeable for sure but the reasons why Labour lost this election in non brutal fashion also include a manifesto that was promised the earth but was proven to be total bollocks, the collapse of the UKIP vote and a truly pathetic campaign from the Tories. If Corbyn's Labour want to actually get close to getting in power they do need to appeal to a broader audience.
I liked the guy who said there had been no cuts. And the lady aghast, sat next to him.
you've got a point their,
i've got assume as the negotiations start in 9 days that she is read as she has been working on it for 9 months.look i just think having another debate now, about who leads the county 9 days away from the say the talks start just seems like an even worse idea then letting May do the talks.
i mean its dammed if you do dammed if you don't territory!
Many would argue the positivity of the manifesto led to the Labour resurgence.
i love Ian hislop!
I can actually see the point of the guy as crazy as it sounds.
I think people voted confidently for Labour because they were told and thought he won't win.
It sounds reminiscent of how people voted in the EU referendum - I'll vote leave because remain will win anyway.
I think people voted confidently for Labour because they were told and thought he won't win.
It sounds reminiscent of how people voted in the EU referendum - I'll vote leave because remain will win anyway.
It was still fantasy. I said at that the time they released it that it was designed to retain control of the Labour Party from a side that had accepted defeat.
They wouldn't have run with such fanciful policies if they really thought they could win a majority.
Have I Got News For You is so poor these days. Such a lazy show, better jokes and more insightful comment in this thread.
Didn't ask them this time although they mainly live in safe Tory seats so wouldn't make a lot of difference.
My sister, who voted for Brexit, voted Tory for the first time in her life and finally had an MP elected that she voted for
It's all madness.
But you're arguing that the manifesto is part of the reason Labour lost the election when it's quite clear that it wasn't; whatever our opinions are on it, there's a sense that it helped lead to a certain resurgence, giving the party a sense of purpose to an extent.
Naturally I do think the party requires a broad appeal and they largely benefited from May being absolutely awful, but at the same time Corbyn won over 12m votes. There's clearly a lot of appeal there and it's not out of the realms of possibility he could be electable now.
i personally think it was the positivity of Corbyn not the positivity of the manifesto
Corbyn's campaign was inherently related to what he was promising in the manifesto though.
When does the vote share get officially announced? I'm still waiting on payout for that bet.
No, one of the reasons why they didn't lose the election badly, did better than expected is what I was getting at.
Yeah, there's no easy solution at the moment. I don't see any way that she can hold on until the end of the negotiations though, and unless she or her replacement totally fecks up the end of them will be much more important then the beginning. If i'm not mistaken there's 21 months until the deadline from article 50, would rather be in turmoil in months 21,20 and the beginning of 19, then say 10,9 and 8...
it did, but i also think the amount of things he promised hurt him and made people question his validity.
i think if he had reigned in his promises a bit and kept the message of hope he would of done better.
Just my opinion!
FFS, Madness. More poison please!Didn't ask them this time although they mainly live in safe Tory seats so wouldn't make a lot of difference.
My sister, who voted for Brexit, voted Tory for the first time in her life and finally had an MP elected that she voted for
It's all madness.
Joint ticket with Rudd and Gove? Can't see why Rudd would agree to that.
People arguing Labour needs a broader appeal are missing the point entirely. The reason Labour failed so miserably in 2015 was because of the perception that there wasn't much difference between the two major parties, and people went with the incumbent over an awkward opposition leader few people cared for.
To regain its identity, Labour had to set out a manifesto diametrically opposed to the Tories' vision. That meant a larger state, more NHS funding, student tuition fees, triple lock, etc. The point was to demonstrate the difference between choices. Vote Tory, get A. Vote Labour get B (instead of 2015 when A and B seemed awfully similar). Labour has been tainted by the Blairite faction ever since Iraq. Only now is it starting to recover, and that was a direct consequence of moving to the left in order to show actual opposition. In the future the party can encompass more of a centrist outlook, but to have done so for this election would have been stupid beyond belief and just replicated the same mistakes of 2015.
To regain its identity, Labour had to set out a manifesto diametrically opposed to the Tories' vision. That meant a larger state, more NHS funding, student tuition fees, triple lock, etc. The point was to demonstrate the difference between choices. Vote Tory, get A. Vote Labour get B (instead of 2015 when A and B seemed awfully similar). Labour has been tainted by the Blairite faction ever since Iraq. Only now is it starting to recover, and that was a direct consequence of moving to the left in order to show actual opposition. In the future the party can encompass more of a centrist outlook, but to have done so for this election would have been stupid beyond belief and just replicated the same mistakes of 2015.
Classic, anything for power
Ah, sweet irony.
Didn't ask them this time although they mainly live in safe Tory seats so wouldn't make a lot of difference.
My sister, who voted for Brexit, voted Tory for the first time in her life and finally had an MP elected that she voted for
It's all madness.
disown her
I was agreeing with Campbell in terms of going forward.
I have
Diana Tapes. Beyond caricature.
Are they like Bob Dylan's the basement tapes?
The night of the fishknives is nigh. As soon as any concessions are made, it'll the block !
I agree with him too, but I don't think criticism of the manifesto is right. It was an astute political choice which gave the electorate a clear distinction between two parties. It was costed, though there are problems with that costing, and you can debate its fiscal pragmatism, and as a result it seemed viable. Whether or not it would have been doesn't matter, because it recaptured Labour's social identity and the public went for it.
Labour in no way lost this election. Everyone was expecting a landslide, even Yougov's final poll suggested a healthy majority. To come from 20+ points back two months ago to within a few of being in government is incredible. I can't understand criticism.
Feck yeah. You tell her.
Seems like a stock story to detract from the headline.
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Labour wins in Kensington! WTF!?
It was a good campaign and a success in relative terms but in real terms, the bottom line, is that Labour lost and they needed a bogus manifesto to achieve that.
It's bizarre seeing the Tories jump into bed with the DUP given their and their press' constant portrayal of Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser.