Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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I'm reality it didn't change much as United went on to still win more than City
In fairness it changed alot, while we've not won more trophies than you we've finished above you 4 times in 5 years, which I never thought I'd see in my lifetime. I think its put us on a par with you (on the field). Off the field of course you're still far, far bigger than us.
It is a strange one. If he had left, I wanted a buy-back clause because he's a real talent. He will get some game time but probably more to cover injuries than basic rotation in my opinion. He seems happy with that judging by his comments.
A few sides have consistently finished above us over the last few seasons. It doesn't point to anything nor does it validate any long term goals
This is a major problem for Mansour. Most City fans see finishing above Utd as a successful season. It doesn't matter if they end up potless as long as they finish higher. Mansour was under the impression that when he started pumping in Billions silverware would rain down. As it has turned out they are now further away from us than when he rolled up a nearly decade ago. They are starting every year further behind the eightball. The fans are celebrating 4th & 3rd place finishes when the only place that matters in the league is first.
Don't act like you're speaking for City fans and then make up the rest of your post.
Because they got a free stadium due to Commonwealth Games which really made it a valuable commodity. If they had bought some other club like Everton, Spurs etc, they'd have to also built a new stadium which would have cost around 300-400m more.
That makes sense. I've always been baffled by the City takeover too. Back in the day I thought that Aston Villa would have made a more interesting purchase. Top club in its own city with and impressive history but fallen on hard times. Conveniently located "close" to London for all those homesick foreign players.
You are all missing the obvious thing city had that no other team had.
They had all that land to develop next to the stadium. I think that was why they chose city
I think they re the most likely team in th PL to topple the Real/Barca/Bayern CL dominance of the last few years. By far.
Most likely based on what? They have some great attacking players but their squad as a whole is quite a way off, not that other squads in the league are miles better but I'd say there a couple of much more balanced squads. I don't doubt that they are capable of beating anyone on their day but you could say that about many sides. By far? You've gone a bit too far. By far.
Based on what, getting to the last 16 under Pep last year or the spending so far this summer? They aren't good at the back, it remains to be seen how there new goalkeeper settles. Chelsea will be good in Europe under Conte I think, they have a winning mentality. You would fancy United to do well under Jose over two legs, EL win will give confidence to the team. Liverpool have shown up against the big sides last season, doubt they have the quality but nothing is a given. Think we need to see where all the squad's are in August before predictions.
Conte is pretty shit in Europe
You don't need to be a genius to come up with that conclusion do you? If they keep spending money they way they are now they must become serial winners at some stage in the future. They will never really get any credit for it from other fans because of the way its been done. I also think Guardiola has to some extent been surprised at just how difficult it is to win games against the so called weaker teams. You don't walk all over any PL team especially when you play them at their own ground. I have always had a bit of a soft spot for City ever since I saw their last great team at Anfield many moons ago. I honestly thought they were the best team I had ever seen play against Liverpool and I've seen a lot of teams.
Never change Namco!
If you wind back a decade ago in 06/07 United had just won the league and City had finished 14th. United haven't finished above City now since 12/13 season, and we've won the PL since then. We're also favourites to win it again next year, not that it matters but it highlights your statement as nonsense.
City's greatest failing last season was their inability to beat the "top" teams and home draws vs mid table outfits.
Away form against lesser teams was as good as anyone.
Never change Namco!
If you wind back a decade ago in 06/07 United had just won the league and City had finished 14th. United haven't finished above City now since 12/13 season, and we've won the PL since then. We're also favourites to win it again next year, not that it matters but it highlights your statement as nonsense.
You've been favorites to win it for the past two seasons.
Spurs will improve on last season, Chelsea will still be a contender.
Liverpool? feck knows.
Utd, Mourinho typically is best in his 2nd season followed by a meltdown in the third.
Arsenal, Think they'll improve on this season but doubt they'll challenge.
If City can improve defence, then yes you will be in the running.
So far you've purchased a Keeper , although is Ederson better than Hart or is it another case of 'good with feet'? I've never seen him play.
Silva will be a great signing.. but surely both Fullbacks & atleast 1 Top quality CB is needed too?
Agreed, it's impossible to call, and until we sign fullbacks we aren't even in the running.
It's only relevant in the context of the comment I was responding too.
Never change Namco!
If you wind back a decade ago in 06/07 United had just won the league and City had finished 14th. United haven't finished above City now since 12/13 season, and we've won the PL since then. We're also favourites to win it again next year, not that it matters but it highlights your statement as nonsense.
Starting from your first trophy since the takeover, we have won more in this period. If Mansour & City are to achieve the domination they crave they would have to overtake our trophy haul. There are no trophies for finishing second in the league or for finishing above Utd. BTW On BM it actually lists League Runners-Up as an honour
You can talk about play style & entertainment value but at the end of the day it isn't worth a tin of beans. As it stands you are no closer to catching us.Oh mate, if you think we're happy finishing 3rd & 4th you're greatly mistaken. The club seem happy to do it at the moment simply because we've kept the Champions' League cash flowing but while the prices for tickets go up at the Etihad we're expecting more for our money.
They will probably spunk another £200m on defenders. They are going to get it right at some point.
Starting from your first trophy since the takeover, we have won more in this period. If Mansour & City are to achieve the domination they crave they would have to overtake our trophy haul. There are no trophies for finishing second in the league or for finishing above Utd. BTW On BM it actually lists League Runners-Up as an honour
Can we stop gloating about winning more trophies than City? It's beyond daft. We won the Charity Shield, which is barely classed as relevant silverware in a preseason, the Carling Cup aka the "give squad players a chance" trophy, and a European Cup City were never even in because they were too busy competing in the grandest competition of then all.
Yeah, I'd take City's last few seasons over ours. No doubt. They've got Champions League every year and won the League in between. Feck what we did over that, just dicking around 6th and 5th to get a back door entry into the Champions League.
I know context means everything and Mourinho got the job done. I have the faith in him to get us back to where we always were, which is comfortably ahead of City and the then set of the league. But, I'm not so blind as to realise that City have been the more prominent side for 4 seasons without any doubt.
As a club you are measured on trophies won. Many Blue's seem to think the power shift in Manchester is complete, the honours list proves it hasn't even started yet.
City have been consistent the last few years but has this amounted to anything. There hasn't been a title challenge since their last win. They are still just making up the numbers in the CL. A few dead rubber wins against Bayern & getting Barca on an off night. They didn't lay a glove on Real in the SF. I'm sure many of their fans would have been happy with winning the Europa.
We may have been dicking around but we've still won trophies, it wasn't as if the cabinets were bear to begin with.
Talk about trophies all you want but it's the major ones that count. Europa Cups aren't the ones any big club want to win because they don't want to be in that competition to begin with. The other two we won aren't major trophies.
We have an FA Cup to their Premier League. They've performed better and more consistently over the last 4 years. Not one post from the city guys here claims a complete power shift. They know full well Mourinho and Pep have their ways to go from scratch. Let's not run away from the fact that they've consistently finished higher in the last 4 years than us and have a league to their name in the process. I don't give two shits about the Carling Cup or Charity shield in the process. I wouldn't much care for Europa if we finished 3rd too.
Their last league win was 12 months after ours! Hardly inbetween.
Football is all about winning things, you don't get a participation trophy for finishing 4th or 5th.
We've both been average for a while now. Finishing above us means nothing sadly
Well it does because two in one of those years they earned champions league qualification and we didn't.
I agree silverware matters, but gloating about winning a cup they never competed in is stupidity.
Qualification means nothing if you don't do anything with it. That's dangerously close to Wenger territory.
The fact United have been worse over the last few years is down to there being a major reason why we struggled. What's City's excuse? Every year they're favourites and every year they're dead by January. I don't want that season.
If Marty Mc Fly showed up and told us our next 4 years would mirror City's last 4 I would be mortified.
We may as well carry on as we were.
What did they do in the competition though. All they proved was that they were not good enough to win it. This was exactly the same position as us.
Sanchez to City would scare me. That would add up to an absolutely ridiculous amount of attacking talent.
Who cares what they did on the Champions League? If they're qualifying they will continue to attract players, continue to generate organic revenue and continue go have a chance of winning a major European trophy. Back to my point though, the idea that we did better than them because we won a trophy they weren't competing in last year is beyond ridiculous.
Don't worry. Have a read of Arsenal Mania. There is no way Arsenal would ever sell to a rival. Apparently!
Chelsea haven't done that in a long while. Ever since the FFP was announced the club has made an effort to live within their means.
It validates my reply to the post I quoted where the poster simply said we are no closer to you. We've gone from a team who were consistently 15 places to 2 divisions below you to a team who can match you on the field. Of course it validates my point.
Number of sides who have finished above you in 5 of the last 6 seasons = 1. City. It validates the growth from bug under foot and huge underdog to even contest. To say otherwise is rubbish. If you think City aren't closer to you on the pitch than 10 years ago, well thats your opinion. I believe you'll not find me saying it validated any long term goals other than like the Sheik promised to make us be able to compete with the best clubs.
Also interesting all those years where Sir Alex qualified and did nothing with it. Wasted seasons in Europe that mean nothing?
Interesting you wouldn't take our last 4 seasons, 1 league title, 2 carling cups (which you all seem to regard much more highly this season) and a CL semi final. I believe only Chelsea can say they've had better with two premiership wins.
Trophies:
Chelsea - 2 x Prem, 1 x Carling Cup
City - 1 x Prem, 2 x Carling Cup
Leicester - 1 x Prem
Arsenal - 3 x FA Cup
Man United - 1 x FA Cup, 1 x Carling Cup, 1 x Europa League.
Your giving a high bar for Jose, albeit he's off to a good start.
@namco - All the blues you know, you only type about City too, do you know anything about United or any Reds.... Finishing above you meant something when we won the title, and qualifying for the CL. Other than that its nice to know we've been better in the premierleague and CL (albeit you haven't been there very often the last while). We were semifinalists just 13 months ago, hardly equates to doing nothing, but of course beating teams of rejects and kids to win the Europa is a bigger achievement right? You wouldn't know that though as you know zero about football in reality and all your skills are in being a troll.
Also none of our fans celebrated coming 3rd or 4th (again more Namco induced lies), nor will you ever find us celebrating a season where we came 6th.
The usual anti-City made up rubbish it is then.
My understanding is they only managed that by selling assets purchased previously.
It kind of ignores the 1bn Abramovich 'forgave' too.
Same for Manchester City but that doesn't fit the narrative.
The issue people have is about the means City has and their origin. Not with FFP or the concept of 'living within their means'.
Indeed, its horrific that 8% of City's income comes from Etihad Airlines and that sponsorship could easily be replaced with one that contributed more.
Funny this, '5 of the last 6 seasons' you keep changing the stats to suit your agenda?
If you had continued with 4 it wouldn't fit your agenda would it? As Arsenal also meet that criteria.
Also, why 4 years? why not 5 years? Oh it misses out Utd winning the league & our greatest ever manager retiring and thus makes your argument pointless.
It's evident that Utd have had a slump since Ferguson retired, well Utd did hire Moyes.. who continued to prove since leaving Utd that he is a complete garbage manager.
Put him in charge of City & you'd be lucky to hit 7th..
But, I'd take Utds season over yours. You could of finished second in the league & reached the Semis in the Cl again. I'd still take Utds season, as Utd have won trophies.
Winnining the league cup / Europa League is an achievement, the amount of games, the amount of injuries... can only play for what's in front of you.
If the roles were reversed I'd gladly choose Citys season over Utd's.
Trophies regardless of their stature, are significantly better than a participation trophy.