Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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NK86 said:
Juve got hammered for 4 goals against Madrid. Guess they must be shite too. Barca got hammered by Juve and PSG, guess they must be shite as well. This nonsense that because a team had a few high scoring matches and thus must be shite defensively is as moronic as I have seen. We have been taken to the cleaners ourselves.

As for comparing the CL stats, Matic didn't even play in it and when he did his team couldn't stop a 10 man PSG from scoring. Must have been Fabinho's fault that one too. Why don't you compare the league stats? Oh yes, because PL is harder than Ligue 1, right! :rolleyes:
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Going to point to a team who also conceded lots of goals consistently in the CL or just keep bringing up 1 game examples to support your opinion?

Edit because I'm out of posts: You go on to knock Matic because of 1 game against PSG. Anyone with a brain thinks the PL is of higher quality than Ligue 1.
 
This has the potential to be one of Jose's signings that he's got massively wrong because the players have declined and he's missed it, ala Shevchenko, Falcao and Drogba (2nd stint).
 
GrandJury said:
Going to point to a team who also conceded lots of goals consistently in the CL or just keep bringing up 1 game examples to support your opinion?
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No, just pointing out you compared goals scored against in a competition to justify Matic over Fabinho while Matic didn't even play in it. Too lazy to read the whole post?
 
NK86 said:
If the PL is so hard, how the feck did Leicester frickin City win the title at a saunter?
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Freak season isn't the rule it's the exception.

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NK86 said:
:lol: Freak season. PL is tougher. Matic is better because Fabinho's team conceded more in a competition Chelsea couldn't qualify for. :lol:
Is there anything you have put out there apart from "PL is tougher, hence Matic is better"? That's an argument my 4 year old nephew would be embarrassed to make
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I'm out of posts for the day so I am editing: I didn't say Matic was better, I was arguing against someone using stats from two separate leagues in which one league is much harder and that Monaco did so well because they were so good going forward, not defensively. People are acting like Fabinho is vastly superior to Matic and I'm not buying it.

Loads of laughing faces doesn't make your point less terrible.
 
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GrandJury said:
Woah. Incredibly tough league. Yawn.
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GrandJury said:
Freak season isn't the rule it's the exception.
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:lol: Freak season. PL is tougher. Matic is better because Fabinho's team conceded more in a competition Chelsea couldn't qualify for. :lol:
Is there anything you have put out there apart from "PL is tougher, hence Matic is better"? That's an argument my 4 year old nephew would be embarrassed to make.
 
NK86 said:
Comparing Ligue 1 to the Scottish league. Brilliant. :lol:
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Apart from that wasn't the point.

I wasn't comparing Ligue 1 to Scotland. What I said was comparing stats from 2 different leagues, is completely and utterly pointless.
 
NK86 said:
If the PL is so hard, how the feck did Leicester frickin City win the title at a saunter?
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There's a difference between 'hard' and 'quality' and you are getting the 2 confused.

The reason why Leicester won the league is because the PL is hard, everyone beats everyone and there are no easy games - couple that with the fact our teams in Europe get 0 help with fixtures - a point made several times.

PL quality is well behind the top 2/3 teams in Spain, Germany and probably to some extent France. Though their teams are packed with so much quality it makes the league easier to win.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Apart from that wasn't the point.

I wasn't comparing Ligue 1 to Scotland. What I said was comparing stats from 2 different leagues, is completely and utterly pointless.
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Yes it is. So I am not sure why you preluded that with an assertion that PL is tougher than Ligue 1. Tougher does not necessarily mean better.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
There's a difference between 'hard' and 'quality' and you are getting the 2 confused.

The reason why Leicester won the league is because the PL is hard, everyone beats everyone and there are no easy games - couple that with the fact our teams in Europe get 0 help with fixtures - a point made several times.

PL quality is well behind the top 2/3 teams in Spain, Germany and probably to some extent France. Though their teams are packed with so much quality it makes the league easier to win.
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I agree that PL is tougher in the sense that the teams are more equally matched without any being great. Hence why I feel that the concept of Matic being better than Fabinho based on it is silly. Matic is a good player in his rights but when you consider the ages and the scope for improvement, it's a no brainer to select Fabinho IMO.
 
NK86 said:
I agree that PL is tougher in the sense that the teams are more equally matched without any being great. Hence why I feel that the concept of Matic being better than Fabinho based on it is silly. Matic is a good player in his rights but when you consider the ages and the scope for improvement, it's a no brainer to select Fabinho IMO.
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I would be more excited for Fabinho / Bakayoko, but it's easy to see why we would go for Matic - PL proven etc.

Fabinho for all his quality, is unquestionably more of a risk... Anyway we could probably do with both :)
 
WPMUFC said:
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HERRERA CRUSHES ALL!!! HERRERA CDM 2017/2018!!!! :lol::lol::lol:
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Simply brilliant.
 
Hanky panky said:
I would not even say pretty. Looks like fecking Liverpool who only can only dream about trophies and are happy if they get to top4 every second season. There should not be spot to Darmian or Perisic in our starting 11. And im not sure should there be place to Matic too. Word average means exactly this.

Don't want to be negative all the time but what else you can be with rumours like this? I mean we are hundreds of miles away from top4 European teams. :(
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If Shaw at LB and Martial (or Rashford) at LW have the seasons their talent and age suggest is possible and make Darmian and Perisic the versatile squad players their talents suggest, it looks a hell of a lot better.
 
My problem with Matic is that he does almost everything with his left foot. If you know how to instruct your team, Matic will be in severe trouble. Moreover i don't think he's that intelligent with his reading of the game, i've seen Chelsea still leaking goals when Mourinho was in charge but in a well-oiled machine, he's a viable coq. He's strong, he's a good tackler and knows how to put his body in.

I'm with the caf on this one which means i'm not too overwhelmed with the prospect of signing him, however if Mourinho really wants him, he should get him. Overall it's his reputation which is on the line here and compared to what United currently has, he's definitely an upgrade.
 
Mourinhonista said:
My problem with Matic is that he does almost everything with his left foot. If you know how to instruct your team, Matic will be in severe trouble. Moreover i don't think he's that intelligent with his reading of the game, i've seen Chelsea still leaking goals when Mourinho was in charge but in a well-oiled machine, he's a viable coq. He's strong, he's a good tackler and knows how to put his body in.

I'm with the caf on this one which means i'm not too overwhelmed with the prospect of signing him, however if Mourinho really wants him, he should get him. Overall it's his reputation which is on the line here and compared to what United currently has, he's definitely an upgrade.
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Maybe we should consider maiming Valencia and him. An intelligent player with Valencia's right foot, Matic's left foot and Fellaini's chest and elbows would be a mean beast.
 
Mourinhonista said:
My problem with Matic is that he does almost everything with his left foot. If you know how to instruct your team, Matic will be in severe trouble. Moreover i don't think he's that intelligent with his reading of the game, i've seen Chelsea still leaking goals when Mourinho was in charge but in a well-oiled machine, he's a viable coq. He's strong, he's a good tackler and knows how to put his body in.

I'm with the caf on this one which means i'm not too overwhelmed with the prospect of signing him, however if Mourinho really wants him, he should get him. Overall it's his reputation which is on the line here and compared to what United currently has, he's definitely an upgrade.
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No team is going to not leak any goals whatever strength of its defense, even Juve with their strong defense can leak easy goals from time to time.
 
Serbian newspapers reporting he's coming here, medical at carrington soon.
 
This is a brilliant signing in my opinion. He's perfect for our midfield.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
There's a difference between 'hard' and 'quality' and you are getting the 2 confused.

The reason why Leicester won the league is because the PL is hard, everyone beats everyone and there are no easy games - couple that with the fact our teams in Europe get 0 help with fixtures - a point made several times.

PL quality is well behind the top 2/3 teams in Spain, Germany and probably to some extent France. Though their teams are packed with so much quality it makes the league easier to win.
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"Everyone beats everyone" happens in every league. Alaves and Celta Vigo beat Barcelona for example.

The Premier League doesn't have the best players so it's not the best league. And any lower level team in Germany/Spain would hammer the likes of Bournemouth and Swansea so not sure where this myth came from. Look at Spurs, City and Liverpool in Europe for example.
 
All 3 United said:
This has the potential to be one of Jose's signings that he's got massively wrong because the players have declined and he's missed it, ala Shevchenko, Falcao and Drogba (2nd stint).
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Abrahmovic called the shots at Chelsea. Hard to blame Jose for a lot of their duff signings if he didn't have much say in half of them. Of course, it also has the potential to be one of Jose's many signings that he gets spot on, despite the Einsteins telling him that they know better.
 
el3mel said:
No team is going to not leak any goals whatever strength of its defense, even Juve with their strong defense can leak easy goals from time to time.
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Chelsea are much more defensively solid since they've got Kante. During the latter stages of Mourinho MK2, a lot of Chelsea people referred to Matic simply as the donkey.

Isn't this not Mourinho's plan? Score one goal and then see the game out? Chelsea scored one and that was it with the attacking play, at United there were similar signs, people screamed at their team to keep attacking, only to see it going deeper and deeper and in a lot of times, conceding and getting only a draw from it.

What i'm trying to say here is that despite Matic being a good player, atm i'm not sure he's that good to keep it consistently tight at the back. But without a doubt, he's at least a step in the right direction for a Mourinho side.
 
Mourinhonista said:
Chelsea are much more defensively solid since they've got Kante. During the latter stages of Mourinho MK2, a lot of Chelsea people referred to Matic simply as the donkey.

Isn't this not Mourinho's plan? Score one goal and then see the game out? Chelsea scored one and that was it with the attacking play, at United there were similar signs, people screamed at their team to keep attacking, only to see it going deeper and deeper and in a lot of times, conceding and getting only a draw from it.

What i'm trying to say here is that despite Matic being a good player, atm i'm not sure he's that good to keep it consistently tight at the back. But without a doubt, he's at least a step in the right direction for a Mourinho side.
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Mate, there's not a team who's going to finish all his games with cleansheat and win every game 1-0 whatever strong your defense are. Mistakes and bad positioning will happen from time to time even with the best defenders ever. All great defenders have made mistakes that lead to goals it's normal.

The defense is evaluated by total numbers of mistakes and total numbers of goals conceded and Chelsea has been very solid in this category. Leaking some goals from time to time happens. You can't expect a defender or a DMF to not make mistakes. Even Kante makes mistakes, remember Herrera goal at OT ? It was Kante's mistake who let Young take the ball from him easily from the first place.
 


An excellent analysis on how Matic could fit into the Mourinho system by Statman Dave on YouTube. (Or potentially even Matic + Fabinho).
 
Personally, I'd have preferred Dier to Matic, if Fabinho was out of the equation. Matic is 28, so he isn't a long term solution-maybe 3-4 years. Plus he isn't versatile as Dier and hardly has a resale value should he flop, unlike Dier.
With Rojo out till Jan at the very least, Dier could have been our backup CB especially with one of Smalling/Jones heading for exit.
If Dier is available for 50m and Matic for 40m, I'd have preferred Dier to be honest. But then again, Mou likes taller players and he has a great transfer record here at Utd, so would trust his judgement
 
anant said:
Personally, I'd have preferred Dier to Matic, if Fabinho was out of the equation. Matic is 28, so he isn't a long term solution-maybe 3-4 years. Plus he isn't versatile as Dier and hardly has a resale value should he flop, unlike Dier.
With Rojo out till Jan at the very least, Dier could have been our backup CB especially with one of Smalling/Jones heading for exit.
If Dier is available for 50m and Matic for 40m, I'd have preferred Dier to be honest. But then again, Mou likes taller players and he has a great transfer record here at Utd, so would trust his judgement
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I don't think anyone of them will leave tbh. Next summer maybe, but not this one.
 
anant said:
Personally, I'd have preferred Dier to Matic, if Fabinho was out of the equation. Matic is 28, so he isn't a long term solution-maybe 3-4 years. Plus he isn't versatile as Dier and hardly has a resale value should he flop, unlike Dier.
With Rojo out till Jan at the very least, Dier could have been our backup CB especially with one of Smalling/Jones heading for exit.
If Dier is available for 50m and Matic for 40m, I'd have preferred Dier to be honest. But then again, Mou likes taller players and he has a great transfer record here at Utd, so would trust his judgement
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If you're buying him cause he can help out in defense, then no I would prefer to give a chance to both Tuanzebe and Fosu Mensah.
 
anant said:
Personally, I'd have preferred Dier to Matic, if Fabinho was out of the equation. Matic is 28, so he isn't a long term solution-maybe 3-4 years. Plus he isn't versatile as Dier and hardly has a resale value should he flop, unlike Dier.
With Rojo out till Jan at the very least, Dier could have been our backup CB especially with one of Smalling/Jones heading for exit.
If Dier is available for 50m and Matic for 40m, I'd have preferred Dier to be honest. But then again, Mou likes taller players and he has a great transfer record here at Utd, so would trust his judgement
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The worry is he's after Perisic who is also 28, fellaini is 29, herrera is 28, rooney is 31, so its a worry he's trying to add more players closer to 30 than their 20's. Our problem was creativity, and it seems he wants to add more workhorses than creative players
 
I hope we dont sign him . But i think it a done deal . I have not seen him play . But i get the impression hes this big 6 footer . Who is not very nimble or Agile . My biggest nightmare is a midfield featuring Both Matic and Fellaini . Now thats a very scary thought lol
 
hova said:
I hope we dont sign him . But i think it a done deal . I have not seen him play . But i get the impression hes this big 6 footer . Who is not very nimble or Agile . My biggest nightmare is a midfield featuring Both Matic and Fellaini . Now thats a very scary thought lol
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How is that possible? He's played against United multiple times. If you've not seen him pay, why don't you want him?
 
hova said:
I hope we dont sign him . But i think it a done deal . I have not seen him play . But i get the impression hes this big 6 footer . Who is not very nimble or Agile . My biggest nightmare is a midfield featuring Both Matic and Fellaini . Now thats a very scary thought lol
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I see what you've done there. You've satirised some of our clueless internet fans
Bravo sir!
 
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