Ed Woodward | Post season 2017 edition

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Nori- said:
You can't say IF we bought Pogba this summer, we would be happy. The fact is, we bought him last season, the market was different and the player wanted to come back. The Juve hierarchy are still laughing to this day at how much they received.

The Fellaini deal was only a panic buy because Woodward failed to secure all other deals. If he did his job properly, we wouldn't be stuck with that tree trunk in our midfield now.

Martials classes include, £8.5 for his first 25 goals and £8.5m for 25 International caps. That brings it up to almost £55m. Paying that much for someone who achieves those two things, isn't well worth it. Giroud could get you those kind of numbers.
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So you wouldnt have bought Pogba last season? You would have had no chance this year then. Sometimes its about having the foresight to get in at the right time, which he did.

Also you say he failed to secure Moyes' targets. But that depends on who Moyes has selected. Sometimes a deal just can't be made. If he wanted Kroos - he prefered Madrid - you cant change that. I personally think Moyes panicked and told Ed to get Fellaini at all costs.

Martial was 20 years old and looked to be one of the most talented young players in the world. Again I refer to the Pogba deal. Foresight plays a big part, £55m for Martial could be a very good deal. Of you were to buy Martial today...well just look at Mbappe.
 
LeeFunK said:
Martial was 20 years old and looked to be one of the most talented young players in the world. Again I refer to the Pogba deal. Foresight plays a big part, £55m for Martial could be a very good deal. Of you were to buy Martial today...well just look at Mbappe.
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I think most of us scratched our heads whilst shouting "who?!" and "how much?!".

I think Ed is having a crap summer! He wants to go buy Bale and Sanchez but Mourinho won't go for it! Poor Ed!
 
reddevil702 said:
Both Ed and Jose know how important this window is. This season can really reestablish United among the elites on the field and there's no way Ed is sitting on his as$ not pursing the players Jose wants. The fact that no one really knows what we're up to is exciting, no one we've been linked to - outside of Morata - really excite me. So hopefully we have something big in the works.
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"Big" signings don't come out of nowhere though. There are always rumours and stories that lead up to them.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Yeah, I was thinking the same earlier actually.

It does seem just disconcertingly quiet regarding links to top quality players, it's odd given our wealth and wage abilities.
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Starting to really doubt that Mourinho actually wants anyone beyond the rumoured targets. The fact we seem so obsessed with a player like Perisic is so odd to me, very depressing.

Players like Pogba are exactly the profile we should be signing so I don't get why he's going down this road with Matic and Perisic. People will argue about the 'system' but let's face it Matic has been average for two seasons now there is a reason Chelsea seem happy to sell to us. Perisic is a decent winger but at 28 will not improve and might not even adapt to the league.

Posters who just assume the team will be automatically better this season because they all underperformed are in for a surprise, they didn't recifity their poor form in front of goal all season, how are they going to magically do it now?

Ed Woodward will get the deals that the manager wants done, I'm just not convinced they are the deals he should be pursuing at all.
 
KingMinger22 said:
"Big" signings don't come out of nowhere though. There are always rumours and stories that lead up to them.
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True but transfers being held up over €5-10 million doesn't really add up. In the grand scheme of things it makes more sense to pay the money and get the player in early. Unless there are alternate options and you don't deem it necessary to over pay.
 
Kag said:
You don't know what Woodward is or isn't doing. (1)Instead you're chatting baseless shite on here, which is particularly impressive given you don't have a clue what you're wittering on about.

Woodward "seems to be doing nothing" because you don't know what he's doing.

Every chief executive in the land has been given targets from their respective managers. If it was so easy, so simple, so minute, then every single football club would have signed all of the players they want.

It's not even July. We're going to buy more players, (2)they're going to be good players, and (3)Mourinho has absolutely everything he needs (with staggering talent already at his disposal) to crack on and do a good job for us. Honestly man, grow up.
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1. Pretty sure that covers everybody on here without exception.

2. I don't understand your confidence here, neither Woodwards or Jose's track record would suggest they have flawless scouting skills or always get good players. I'm not going to waste time listing the failures.

3. Jose would probably disagree with you given he has supplied a list of transfer targets.

Other than that though I do kind of agree with you insofar as we need to be more patient. Unfortunately as much as I try my inner muppet will not listen to reason and I'm sure that's all it is with others.
 
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Infra-red said:
Neil Custis writes that Mourinho is frustrated with the lack of signings 9 days from the tour and is particularly concerned at the club's inability to get a deal for a new striker over the line, given Ibrahimovic's injury.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...o-fuming-manchester-united-transfer-activity/
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Doubt this article. The manager doesn't just sit on his bum expecting the club to get stuff done. It's as much on him to identify the right players and get them in. Woodward has shown over the past two seasons that he's willing to extend for the managers desires (no pun intended).
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Doubt this article. The manager doesn't just sit on his bum expecting the club to get stuff done. It's as much on him to identify the right players and get them in. Woodward has shown over the past two seasons that he's willing to extend for the managers desires (no pun intended).
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Jose has probably spoken to the like of Morata already, that could be why he wants to come to us, the same with Perisic. The rest is up to our negotiating team. You cannot always guarantee that the team you want to buy from will make it easy.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Jose has probably spoken to the like of Morata already, that could be why he wants to come to us, the same with Perisic. The rest is up to our negotiating team. You cannot always guarantee that the team you want to buy from will make it easy.
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The negotiating team has been a managers dream over the last two summers. They'll spend whatever Jose wants them to spend I don't doubt that. Jose needs to pick the right players and the right alternatives where a deal with those players isn't possible. This idea that Jose has picked 5 players and it's all up to Woodward (which I read often) is bollocks. There's plenty of quality players out there and Jose will be judged once the summer ends on the basis of who we sign not the list he considers ideal.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Doubt this article. The manager doesn't just sit on his bum expecting the club to get stuff done. It's as much on him to identify the right players and get them in. Woodward has shown over the past two seasons that he's willing to extend for the managers desires (no pun intended).
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He's already made it very clear that he gave Woodward a list of targets in March (I think) and was going on holiday to forget about football. Mourinho might make some calls to convince players to join but other than that, it's all on Woodward's negotiating team.

Plus Mourinho's father has just died, so it's likely he's not been involved in anything football related recently.
 
midnightmare said:
Not sure if you've heard the Amoyal podcast where they spent a fair few minutes on United (Pilib de Brun was featured). Some of the things they mentioned:

1. United have been preparing for months
2. The club has contacted at least 25 players this window working on various scenarios
3. Separate lists were made assuming we'd be in EL vs assuming we'd make the CL
4. Plans were affected and we've had to change targets at times
5. Belotti was ruled out on price after at one time being ahead of Morata on our list - but now we're looking at Morata primarily
6. Perisic was initially on List 2 (Europa) but got elevated - probably because of the Griezmann situation
7. We are continuing to work on a bunch of targets all at the same time and nobody really knows where we are on any aspect as info is not available

In this light, there's a good chance that we have indeed contacted in some manner a large number of the players we're linked to constantly. There's no reason to believe we have not touched base. Whether we are serious or not, can't say. That said, look around. Virtually no club has been making big signings (Bernardo Silva is not - yet, at least, worthy of classifying as a big signing). The market at the top end generally sees moves happen rapidly after the first couple of moves are made and I think everyone's just waiting for that to occur. That's also what will set baselines for price, so it's no surprise as sellers watch the "market rates" and continue to hold out for as high an amount as possible in the hopes that the baselines will be high and buyers remain wary and hold back waiting for lower floors to become apparent.

That's also probably why United in particular are holding back. If we were to sign Perisic for 50 Mn, it's virtually certain that the Morata price won't fall by much (if at all) while other prices will also be staggeringly high. Business logic...
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amolbhatia50k said:
The negotiating team has been a managers dream over the last two summers. They'll spend whatever Jose wants them to spend I don't doubt that. Jose needs to pick the right players and the right alternatives where a deal with those players isn't possible. This idea that Jose has picked 5 players and it's all up to Woodward (which I read often) is bollocks. There's plenty of quality players out there and Jose will be judged once the summer ends on the basis of who we sign not the list he considers ideal.
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Appears Ed has plenty of options to go at. By the look of it though, the ones for the CL might be near impossible to get. People wanting Kane really need a reality check. He is happy there and Spurs have absolutely no need to sell. I just hope we have a couple more signings before the tour. Last minute signings can be a problem regarding settling them in with the team and our system.
 
Kag said:
You don't know what Woodward is or isn't doing. Instead you're chatting baseless shite on here, which is particularly impressive given you don't have a clue what you're wittering on about.

Woodward "seems to be doing nothing" because you don't know what he's doing.

Every chief executive in the land has been given targets from their respective managers. If it was so easy, so simple, so minute, then every single football club would have signed all of the players they want.

It's not even July. We're going to buy more players, they're going to be good players, and Mourinho has absolutely everything he needs (with staggering talent already at his disposal) to crack on and do a good job for us. Honestly man, grow up.
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Kag said:
The hysteria is even harder to understand when you consider we have already bought (two whole weeks ago!) one of the most expensive central defenders in our history in Lindelof. Centre half is a position many people feel we needed quality cover and competition. We've gone out and done that with minimal fuss.

It's a sign of how spoilt some of you lot are when you can't even appreciate a £30 million central defender.
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Some of the most sensible posts I've seen on this forum for some time!
 
I bet he phones out for a take away tonight when he should be sorting our transfers out instead.
 
Kag said:
The hysteria is even harder to understand when you consider we have already bought (two whole weeks ago!) one of the most expensive central defenders in our history in Lindelof. Centre half is a position many people feel we needed quality cover and competition. We've gone out and done that with minimal fuss.

It's a sign of how spoilt some of you lot are when you can't even appreciate a £30 million central defender.
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You are right in a way, but in another way utterly wrong, and it's like you haven't spotted the severe inflation going on.
Michael Keane, that's Michael Keane is going for £25m. Liverpool were quoted anywhere from £50-70m for their latest Southampton defender fetish.

This is probably the most awkward transfer window for a long time. All English Premier teams have ridiculous reserves of cash, so aren't under the historical pressure to sell. While foreign teams have certainly clocked it too.

The market is waiting for a couple of major deals to explode it into life, and we've got to be careful we don't overpay for the first one, or we'll overpay for the rest for the summer's work too.
 
We would have got 2 players (Griezmann & Lindelof) by now. I know it's so frustrated that we can't get at least half of the players on Jose's list by pre season but I think Griezmann's issue has become the main reason of this lack transfer activity and also problems for both Ed and Jose himself. I just hope Ed can make it done for Morata's one before pre season.
 
If nothing else, this should be an interesting week.

I've seen a couple of reporters saying that United are still confident of getting a deal done this coming week. Hopefully that proves to be the case.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If nothing else, this should be an interesting week.

I've seen a couple of reporters saying that United are still confident of getting a deal done this coming week. Hopefully that proves to be the case.
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This is where we miss Fergie. He stepped in on countless occasions to add that personal touch to get deals across the line.

We'll probably end up paying £160 million or something ridiculous like that for Morata and Perisic just to keep Mourinho happy.
 
He gets criticised for over paying on 'vanity' signings. Then he gets criticised for refusing to pay extortionate fees like what Inter are requesting for Perisic.

Then on top of that he gets criticism for the calibre of player we are trying to sign, despite the fact Woodward just goes off whatever names the manager asks him for.
 
Kag said:
Get you, Mr. Pedantic. Little else to contribute with any semblance of intelligence so let's refer back to Fellaini who was signed four years ago. Cracking post, lad.
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I'm not "Einstein" to come up with posts filled with intelligence everytime.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The negotiating team has been a managers dream over the last two summers. They'll spend whatever Jose wants them to spend I don't doubt that. Jose needs to pick the right players and the right alternatives where a deal with those players isn't possible. This idea that Jose has picked 5 players and it's all up to Woodward (which I read often) is bollocks. There's plenty of quality players out there and Jose will be judged once the summer ends on the basis of who we sign not the list he considers ideal.
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Agree 100%. All these fans blaming Woodward as if the deals are on on him now. Its quite possible the clubs are not keen on selling ir asking unreasonable fees. So Jose has to have alternative, gettable targets. Not 50m euros Perisic. Or 90m euros Morata. If thats the limit of Jose's scouting network, then thats on him.
 
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