I'd never heard of Antifa before a few days ago now it's everywhere.
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Is it Obama's fault yet?
What do you mean "yet"?
They blamed him already?? Damn! Missed that!!
Welcome to continental Europe where those cnuts have been prevalent for years and feck up literally everything. They're as bad as those nazi saluting morons.
Apparently it's down to him playing golf.
Me neither. Sounds like weird separatist or terrorist movement. Or something.
The people's front of Judea!
I won't have that, the Judea's People Front is not the Nazis.
Wankers!
That's just not true. While some of them might be equally despicable characters the ideology behind the antifa isn't anywhere near that of the nazi's. I'm more than happy that they show up every time some nazis find their way into my hometown to spout their shit.
According to a lot of the people in here the Resistance must have been equally bad as the Nazi's. After all:
This is the mindset of the majority of people in Eastern/Southern Europe today, the peripheral capitalist cesspool of nationalism and xenophobic violence. Anyone who dares to question their sacred ethnonationalist totems is perceived as enemy. Question the current political system or show any sign of basic human empathy, and you are enemy of the tribe and violent left radical who needs to be purged. Add some sort of conspiracy theory for flavor.
Orlando next? They are salivating about Stand your ground and open carry.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/137280174
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https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/137280174
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What?
Lay off the drugs for your own good. Of course it's true, just because they are on the other side of the radical shit it doesn't mean they are any better than those fascist cnuts. If you're 'happy they show up' then you're part of the problem with today's society. Antifa had no problem popping at Polish National Independence Day and feck up the march beating the shit out of random people because they consider those marches to be fascist parades. They're lunatics.
I strongly support "counter protests" especially when it comes to protesting against NAZI's but if you show up intending to partake in violence you do sort of lose at least some of the moral high ground. Now, I did say IF, I have no idea if ANTIFA or anyone else from the left showed up intended to commit violent acts. Just talking in theory here.
I know too well how various 'National Days' in every single one of those countries look like. Parades of nationalist kitsch and thinly veiled to outright fascism. Good for Poland that they actually have someone to stand up.
They do. The tweets above prove they turned up yesterday to cause violence and to start attacking journalists.
The fact that one of these antifa was freely allowed to carry a communist flag tells you a lot about these kind of people. They're against Nazism, but are perfectly happy to support communism.
You don't know shit obviously. Mixed with your ignorance and silly generalisation based on nothing, alongside your poor command of geopolitical map of Europe paints you as one of those people who think that waving a communist flag is actually alright and cool.
Oh, I know very well what I'm talking about. I am unfortunately well acquainted with that particular sort of tribalism, ignorance and immorality that is obvious from your posts. Anyone interested can check what's happening in said countries, and how these glorious national parades look like, for that matter.
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‘Jews will not replace us’: Why white supremacists go after Jews
By Yair Rosenberg August 13 at 9:35 PM
Several hundred white nationalists and white supremacists carrying torches march in a parade at the University of Virginia. (Evelyn Hockstein for The Washington Post)
Jews and non-Jews are drawn to debates about whether Jews are white. It’s the sort of question that captivates academics and activists, roping in everyone from Israeli “Wonder Woman” actress Gal Gadot to African American literary luminary James Baldwin.
On the one hand, Jews have been discriminated against for centuries, including by white cultures from Nazi Germany to the United States. On the other, many Jews have attained a significant measure of acceptance, and many can often “pass” as white when not wearing traditional Jewish symbols.
Implicitly at stake in this argument is whether efforts to combat racism should prioritize prejudice against Jews or whether other persecuted populations should take precedence.
Personally, I’ve found this debate beside the point, and this weekend’s disturbing events in Charlottesville perfectly illustrate why: The white supremacists have already made their decision.
When white nationalists descended upon the historic Virginia city to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee, their “Unite the Right” rally gathered a veritable who’s who of top neo-Nazis in the United States, including Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and alt-right leading light Richard Spencer, among others.
They immediately went after the Jews. At their Friday night rally at the University of Virginia, the white nationalists brandished torches and chanted anti-Semitic and Nazi slogans, including “blood and soil” (an English rendering of the Nazi “blut und boden”) and “Jews will not replace us” — all crafted to cast Jews as foreign interlopers who need to be expunged. The attendees proudly displayed giant swastikas and wore shirts emblazoned with quotes from Adolf Hitler. One banner read, “Jews are Satan’s children.”
“The truth is,” Duke told a large crowd Saturday, “the American media, and the American political system, and the American Federal Reserve, is dominated by a tiny minority: the Jewish Zionist cause.” Addressing another group, Richard Spencer mocked Charlottesville’s Jewish mayor, Mike Signer. “Little Mayor Signer — ‘See-ner’ — how do you pronounce this little creep’s name?” Spencer asked. The crowd responded by chanting, “Jew, Jew, Jew.” In TV interviews, attendees were not shy about their anti-Semitism.
And James Fields Jr., the man who is accused of mowing down protesters that day, killing one and injuring 19, “had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” according to his high school history teacher. He was previously photographed at a rally for Vanguard America, a neo-Nazi group dedicated to fighting “the international Jew.”
None of this should surprise us. The United States’ white nationalists have made no secret of their special hate for Jews, particularly during the 2016 campaign and its aftermath.
Inspired by Donald Trump, Duke himself ran for Senate in Louisiana, spending much of his time on the primary debate stage ranting against the Jews. When Melania Trump was found to have plagiarized Michelle Obama in her Republican National Convention address, Duke declared he’d “bet a gefilte fish” that it was Jewish sabotage.
Throughout the presidential campaign, Trump’s alt-right supporters barraged Jewish journalists with online abuse, including CNN’s Jake Tapper, the Atlantic’s Julia Ioffe and me, photoshopping us into gas chambers and concentration camps.
This conduct is not incidental to the white nationalist program; it is essential.
As the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Eric Ward, an African American scholar and activist who has studied the movement for years, recently put it:
“The successes of the civil rights movement created a terrible problem for white supremacist ideology. White supremacism — inscribed de jure by the Jim Crow regime and upheld de facto outside the South — had been the law of the land, and a black-led social movement had toppled the political regime that supported it. How could a race of inferiors have unseated this power structure through organizing alone? … Some secret cabal, some mythological power, must be manipulating the social order behind the scenes. This diabolical evil must control television, banking, entertainment, education and even Washington D.C. It must be brainwashing white people, rendering them racially unconscious.
What is this arch-nemesis of the white race, whose machinations have prevented the natural and inevitable imposition of white supremacy? It is, of course, the Jews. Jews function for today’s white nationalists as they often have for anti-Semites through the centuries: as the demons stirring an otherwise changing and heterogeneous pot of lesser evils.”
For this reason, Jews are the only “white people” obsessively targeted by white supremacists. So are they really white, not at all or something in between? After Charlottesville, it’s clear we no longer have the luxury of debating the finer points of this question. For the time being, the racists have settled it for us.
Racism, after all, is essentially the result of socially constructed categories imposed by bigots to separate out-groups from an in-group: white from nonwhites, Germans from Jews and so on.
As such, any serious anti-racist effort needs to confront the racists where they are. When white supremacists are viciously attacking Jews as nonwhite impostors, then any anti-racists worthy of the name must be there to defend them. They cannot impose their own definitions of whiteness on Jews and sidestep their plight. Otherwise, they are simply ceding Jews to their assailants and effectively abetting their persecution.
By Yair Rosenberg August 13 at 9:35 PM
Several hundred white nationalists and white supremacists carrying torches march in a parade at the University of Virginia. (Evelyn Hockstein for The Washington Post)
Jews and non-Jews are drawn to debates about whether Jews are white. It’s the sort of question that captivates academics and activists, roping in everyone from Israeli “Wonder Woman” actress Gal Gadot to African American literary luminary James Baldwin.
On the one hand, Jews have been discriminated against for centuries, including by white cultures from Nazi Germany to the United States. On the other, many Jews have attained a significant measure of acceptance, and many can often “pass” as white when not wearing traditional Jewish symbols.
Implicitly at stake in this argument is whether efforts to combat racism should prioritize prejudice against Jews or whether other persecuted populations should take precedence.
Personally, I’ve found this debate beside the point, and this weekend’s disturbing events in Charlottesville perfectly illustrate why: The white supremacists have already made their decision.
When white nationalists descended upon the historic Virginia city to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee, their “Unite the Right” rally gathered a veritable who’s who of top neo-Nazis in the United States, including Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and alt-right leading light Richard Spencer, among others.
They immediately went after the Jews. At their Friday night rally at the University of Virginia, the white nationalists brandished torches and chanted anti-Semitic and Nazi slogans, including “blood and soil” (an English rendering of the Nazi “blut und boden”) and “Jews will not replace us” — all crafted to cast Jews as foreign interlopers who need to be expunged. The attendees proudly displayed giant swastikas and wore shirts emblazoned with quotes from Adolf Hitler. One banner read, “Jews are Satan’s children.”
“The truth is,” Duke told a large crowd Saturday, “the American media, and the American political system, and the American Federal Reserve, is dominated by a tiny minority: the Jewish Zionist cause.” Addressing another group, Richard Spencer mocked Charlottesville’s Jewish mayor, Mike Signer. “Little Mayor Signer — ‘See-ner’ — how do you pronounce this little creep’s name?” Spencer asked. The crowd responded by chanting, “Jew, Jew, Jew.” In TV interviews, attendees were not shy about their anti-Semitism.
And James Fields Jr., the man who is accused of mowing down protesters that day, killing one and injuring 19, “had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” according to his high school history teacher. He was previously photographed at a rally for Vanguard America, a neo-Nazi group dedicated to fighting “the international Jew.”
None of this should surprise us. The United States’ white nationalists have made no secret of their special hate for Jews, particularly during the 2016 campaign and its aftermath.
Inspired by Donald Trump, Duke himself ran for Senate in Louisiana, spending much of his time on the primary debate stage ranting against the Jews. When Melania Trump was found to have plagiarized Michelle Obama in her Republican National Convention address, Duke declared he’d “bet a gefilte fish” that it was Jewish sabotage.
Throughout the presidential campaign, Trump’s alt-right supporters barraged Jewish journalists with online abuse, including CNN’s Jake Tapper, the Atlantic’s Julia Ioffe and me, photoshopping us into gas chambers and concentration camps.
This conduct is not incidental to the white nationalist program; it is essential.
As the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Eric Ward, an African American scholar and activist who has studied the movement for years, recently put it:
“The successes of the civil rights movement created a terrible problem for white supremacist ideology. White supremacism — inscribed de jure by the Jim Crow regime and upheld de facto outside the South — had been the law of the land, and a black-led social movement had toppled the political regime that supported it. How could a race of inferiors have unseated this power structure through organizing alone? … Some secret cabal, some mythological power, must be manipulating the social order behind the scenes. This diabolical evil must control television, banking, entertainment, education and even Washington D.C. It must be brainwashing white people, rendering them racially unconscious.
What is this arch-nemesis of the white race, whose machinations have prevented the natural and inevitable imposition of white supremacy? It is, of course, the Jews. Jews function for today’s white nationalists as they often have for anti-Semites through the centuries: as the demons stirring an otherwise changing and heterogeneous pot of lesser evils.”
For this reason, Jews are the only “white people” obsessively targeted by white supremacists. So are they really white, not at all or something in between? After Charlottesville, it’s clear we no longer have the luxury of debating the finer points of this question. For the time being, the racists have settled it for us.
Racism, after all, is essentially the result of socially constructed categories imposed by bigots to separate out-groups from an in-group: white from nonwhites, Germans from Jews and so on.
As such, any serious anti-racist effort needs to confront the racists where they are. When white supremacists are viciously attacking Jews as nonwhite impostors, then any anti-racists worthy of the name must be there to defend them. They cannot impose their own definitions of whiteness on Jews and sidestep their plight. Otherwise, they are simply ceding Jews to their assailants and effectively abetting their persecution.
Of course you are given that you've got no problem with generalising based on your, as visible in your posts, limited knowledge and having absolutely no problem with a group of people attacking another group of people based on differing views, because contrary to what you're deluding yourself with, it's not a fascist parade no matter how hard you try to paint it. Your posts reek of hypocrisy.
@Neutral's post, Hitler quote shirts, my fecking word.
heartwarming that a man was assaulted exercising his right to speak? What he says is despicable and what happened is a stain on the USA, but no reason to assault a man and run him down with an angry mob on my opinion. It doesn't help.
Yeah, i'm happy to be part of the problem to people like you, thank you very much.
If you can't see the difference between antifa and fascists you're beyond help, or part of them 'fascists cnuts' . Antifa has a history beginning after WW2 and isn't just some 'mob'.
Since you're saying that the Polish National Independence Day marches aren't fascists parades, what's this:
then?
Edit: Let me explain why I take such a strong exception to the term 'They are as bad as them': Fascism has a long and cruel history (I expect everyone here to know about it). Fascists determine your worth as a human being by your race, religion or any other trait that can be used to distinguish you from the masses. If you're life doesn't confirm to their ideals it is worthless to them, and they have absolutely no problem with terminating it.
Antifa, by the very definition, just fights that. No more, no less. There's communists who are also antifa besides being communists, there are anarchists who are also antifa besides being anarchists, and there are idiots who are antifa while still being idiots... None of that changes the meaning of the antifa.
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Yeah, i'm happy to be part of the problem to people like you, thank you very much.
If you can't see the difference between antifa and fascists you're beyond help, or part of them 'fascists cnuts' . Antifa has a history beginning after WW2 and isn't just some 'mob'.
Since you're saying that the Polish National Independence Day marches aren't fascists parades, what's this:
then?
Uhm, by the looks of it Hungarian fascits from Jobik. Does it make it a fascist parade then?
Also you're jumping the gun because I'm not a fascist myself, which would be a conclusion from what you're writing, but I'm not turning a blind eye to what Antifa currently is (vide Hamburg from a month ago) just because they think they fight nazists. What their historical heritage is has no bearing on how they operate currently.
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I consider it a flaw in 1st Amendment. Every rule has an exception and any overt/covert display of support towards Nazism should be banned. I mean if they want to have a White Supremacy group, they can well create their own...but reference to nazism is just way ott.
yes hate speech can be considered a flaw, or just an unfortunate consequence of a great thing. But my issue is with the assualt in that video. At no point should someone be attacked physically when making a speech. Its just not right and makes those who condemn their words look as bad as them. Their are many other ways to "hit back" without physically doing so.
yes heartwarming to see that nazi piece of shit get what he deserves
That's a picture from Warsaw on November 11th though. Jobik joined in to support... you guessed it.
Sorry for insinuating that you were a fascists, my temper took over. I'll delete it if you want me to.
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Got to feel sorry for genuine people who consider themselves on the right but are not in anyway like these scumbags
Here in lies my issue.
feck him if you are going to have extreme opinions like this, you’ve got it coming
good for you. kill all nazis.
Why do you feel sorry for them? Genuine question. Why do these events make you pity them?
The USA seems more and more like a third world country, if you ask me. Huge swarms of men walking around in camouflage gear with automatic weapons screams insanity to me. Here in Denmark you would never see anything even close to that.
Americans appear so obsessed with their "rights", even if those rights are in direct violation of common decency and reason. I know it's a different topic, but their right to bear not just guns, but full blown automatic assault rifles is equally insane.
I know I'm generalizing now, but they seem so hell bent on their "freedom", which then translates into millions and millions of weapons, a health care in disarray (and not too long ago a real possibility of tens of millions actually losing coverage) because they want to be free to pay lower taxes and do with their money as they chose, a school system where only if your parents have a lot of money or if you're good at sports can you get in to a college and of course, men walking streets armed to the teeth to such a degree, that police are nervous about interfering.
The worlds leading country my arse.
Please excuse my English, as it's only my second language
Americans appear so obsessed with their "rights", even if those rights are in direct violation of common decency and reason. I know it's a different topic, but their right to bear not just guns, but full blown automatic assault rifles is equally insane.
I know I'm generalizing now, but they seem so hell bent on their "freedom", which then translates into millions and millions of weapons, a health care in disarray (and not too long ago a real possibility of tens of millions actually losing coverage) because they want to be free to pay lower taxes and do with their money as they chose, a school system where only if your parents have a lot of money or if you're good at sports can you get in to a college and of course, men walking streets armed to the teeth to such a degree, that police are nervous about interfering.
The worlds leading country my arse.
Please excuse my English, as it's only my second language
Because it makes genuine people look bad and get tarred with the same brush
maybe Im miss informed. Besides the hate speach and views. Has he done something to actually harm people like the nazis did? If so then i understand the reaction.
We do not live in Utopia. If someone call your or my mother a whore to our face, a shock in a jaw is the least he'd have gotten. This despicable piece of excrement openly celebrate an ideology that was responsible, among others, the exploitation, torture and killing of 6 millions people for no other reason than the fact they were born. He should count himself lucky he isnt put behind bars.
Politics has always been a struggle. It's not just talking heads on TV and a bunch of people posting on a football forum.