Why hate groups are permitted in US? I never understood why KKK, Nazis, white supremacists and black power are permitted. I'm in New Jersey and I never saw any of those groups so I'm like most of the caftards and I see them on the TV.
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I know a few people like that. Black people whose grandparents came to England from the West Indies in the 1950s and are 100% English. Their heritage may carry some cultural links to the West Indies but they themselves don't relate to any of it. Their parents adopted British customs and brought them up as British as I was. They don't really identify with black culture at all. I get that this is anecdotal but I'm just trying to argue the case for skin colour not necessarily playing a massive role in your culture. That said I don't really want to tell a black person what it must be like being black, so I think I'll leave it there
I know a few people like that. Black people whose grandparents came to England from the West Indies in the 1950s and are 100% English. Their heritage may carry some cultural links to the West Indies but they themselves don't relate to any of it. Their parents adopted British customs and brought them up as British as I was. They don't really identify with black culture at all. I get that this is anecdotal but I'm just trying to argue the case for skin colour not necessarily playing a massive role in your culture. That said I don't really want to tell a black person what it must be like being black, so I think I'll leave it there
These are sometimes called Bounties, referring to the chocolate bars.
Careful now. Rio said that and got an FA fine!
I know a few people like that. Black people whose grandparents came to England from the West Indies in the 1950s and are 100% English. Their heritage may carry some cultural links to the West Indies but they themselves don't relate to any of it. Their parents adopted British customs and brought them up as British as I was. They don't really identify with black culture at all. I get that this is anecdotal but I'm just trying to argue the case for skin colour not necessarily playing a massive role in your culture. That said I don't really want to tell a black person what it must be like being black, so I think I'll leave it there
Your last couple of lines are wise
It's similar to how 'Uncle Tom' is used - black on the outside, but white on the inside, meaning despite your looks you don't act/think/represent black people in anyway, therefore you're a traitor etc.
The main people who call it racist are the type who will say 'but I had a black friend in college, how can I be racist?' in response to them saying/doing something racist.
I wouldn't call it racist, but that's because of my beliefs of how racism is defined, however - for some people they believe reverse racism is a thing so they run with it.
Thanks, that's how I see it myself.
I think using that language has an element of essentialism* in it which I don't like.
*definition from google: the view that categories of people, such as women and men, or heterosexuals and homosexuals, or members of ethnic groups, have intrinsically different and characteristic natures or dispositions.
*definition from google: the view that categories of people, such as women and men, or heterosexuals and homosexuals, or members of ethnic groups, have intrinsically different and characteristic natures or dispositions.
In case anyone misses it in the other thread
Well it's an insult and logically you are not supposed to like it or even use it. Now, remember that the black community in many countries have been forced to integrate European standards and forget about their own culture, some of them as ridiculous as hairstyle.
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article167842742.html
Another council votes to remove its statues.
Another council votes to remove its statues.
Me too, but I really don't see how that's at all comparable to the current state of affairs in America.
Maybe because of the way I placed it next to the torch-lit marches bit. It wasn't my intention to say they were exactly the same. On the other hand EDL and BNP marches can be pretty frightening, at least the few I've seen.
Fair enough, I just think it's extremely dramatic to compare the current situation in the UK to the US. There were various reasons other than racism for Brexit for starters.
Drop in the ocean. Lots of them dot the South.
I must admit, despite my arguments to the contrary, the history buff in me wants these statues to remain where they were placed.
I doubt history will suffer from removal of statues. It's not like they were sculpted by Michelangelo
Go down to southern New Jersey and you will see plenty.
Black power? I think You're confused
False equivalences is the last refuge of the closet racists.
The poor mother has received death threats. Scum out there.
@barros lots of KKK in your neighboring States as well as southern Jersey.
@barros lots of KKK in your neighboring States as well as southern Jersey.
The phone number is printed white on white, nice touch.
But yeah, both sides, Nazis aren't violent or something like that.
Ffs, those death threats should be followed up and investigated and the idiots who made them should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Typical but that crybaby suffered 'actual discrimination' for being banned from a dating website.
It's not 'reverse racism' if it's aimed at black people. You can claim it's black on black racism but it's also used by white people. Calling someone a 'Bounty' is essentially saying 'a black person must conform to a certain stereotype and if they don't they're not black and I have a word to demean them'.
If that isn't racist I'm not sure what is.
Calling someone an Uncle Tom, is both ignorant and racist. As it's taken to mean 'race traitor' but the character Uncle Tom was in fact a martyr who gave his life to save a fellow slave. Joe Frazier never forgave Muhammed Ali for publically tarring him as an Uncle Tom, his children were consequently called the same and bullied at school.
There is an other angle, it can be a disapproval to the abandoning of ones culture in order to conform to an other culture.
Culture is not tied to the colour of ones skin. People who say so are racists.
And that's the problem that I have with it, I know that it's only linked to culture but from an outsider POV, the image is too strong and reduce it to a question of color when it has nothing to do with it.
If you really want to get into the meat and bones of this argument, then calling someone a bounty/uncle tom/coconut etc is actually a result of white supremacy.
The idea that you can even 'act white' is perpetuated by white supremacy and fuelled by racist stereotypes that black people were expected to conform to.
Thus a black person calling another black person one of those terms has only fallen victim to one of the oldest tools of white supremacy, which is one of the reasons why I say it's not racist. Offensive, insulting? Yes absolutely.
But also the term isn't only used in the context you are trying to say - Rio Ferdinand used it because Ashley Cole decided to stick up for Terry even after he said some racial things against his brother. And in that situation you'd expect someone who can relate to support you, but instead Cole decided not to, therefore Rio called him a fake.
Uncle Tom has been colloqusalised through slang & media, so when somebody says it they're not trying to be ignorant of its *true* meaning.
edit - what on earth is black on black racism? black on black crime doesn't exist, why would black on black racism exist?
There's just racism.
That's just racism or discrimination, there is nothing reversed. Racism isn't limited to the majority.
Yeah that's what I'd say too.
Yep what JPR said.
Segregating it implies that white people are the default, and anything else is 'other'.
Segregating it implies that white people are the default, and anything else is 'other'.
So black people can be just as racist as white people can?
'just as racist' no.
White people have the power to deny black people jobs, homes, funding etc.
But sure, black people can call white people racial names too.