I agree with your second statement but I don't think he has infinite amounts of money, otherwise we'd have signed Sanchez and wouldn't have squabbled over a couple of million for Johnny Evans as the team that started on Saturday only contained 2 of the summer signings, Walker and Ederson. I just think that the likes of Sane, Sterling, Jesus and KDB have now improved and now know what is expected every game and with the addition of Walker that he can get the team to play to how he wants to play whereas last season he was hamstrung with the likes of Jesus Navas and Clichy and a goalkeeper who was as much use as a hologram.
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I agree with your second statement but I don't think he has infinite amounts of money, otherwise we'd have signed Sanchez and wouldn't have squabbled over a couple of million for Johnny Evans as the team that started on Saturday only contained 2 of the summer signings, Walker and Ederson. I just think that the likes of Sane, Sterling, Jesus and KDB have now improved and now know what is expected every game and with the addition of Walker that he can get the team to play to how he wants to play whereas last season he was hamstrung with the likes of Jesus Navas and Clichy and a goalkeeper who was as much use as a hologram.
Walker will be the weak link in Europe, he's a fairly limited right back and always looks poor when the opposition can actually get at him
Just rename RedCafe to PepCafe already!
They put 7 past Stoke at home, and there's posters on here already handing Pep the title. Meanwhile, we have also dished out some thrashings, some of which we could have easily scored more and you have posters saying that City are levels above us, and we can't do anything but lump balls up the field, because we had a routine poor game at Anfield.
Not surprised though.
Yes, City are looking very good right now. But I highly doubt they can sustain this form throughout the season. We have nearly 30 games to go, and anything could happen. Handing Pep the title or telling we won't win it right now is just absurd.
On topic, the football City are playing is very nice to watch. I don't think anyone can deny that. Still think their defence is an issue, but to Pep's credit, no one seems to have exploited that yet.
Very likely Barca wins it a season or two later anyway. Mou and Scholes' goal not getting disallowed on the other hand...
Nothing against Jose - love him as a coach.... I just have to think about that incident everytime chance and what ifs are mentioned.
Why is that? They've conceded only 4 goals this season, and haven't had much shots on their goal.
Looked very good against Stoke but KDB looks a different level to the rest of the team, would be a real shame if he got injured 
as i think that would take a massive part of the team away.
I think trying to fit all the players into a system will be an issue because he inevitably will try and give them all enough game time.
as i think that would take a massive part of the team away.I think trying to fit all the players into a system will be an issue because he inevitably will try and give them all enough game time.
I don't think that's an issue, there are 2 games a week most weeks now until after new year, everyone is going to get plenty of gametime
I don‘t think this criticism will ever go away. We broke multiple records defensively with Pep as our coach and there still was constant complaining our defense should improve.
Have they really played any top opposition except Chelsea and a 10 man Pool? I'd wait for them to play Spurs and the top CL teams. I would say United, but we probably will sit back in that game.
The Liverpool game was fairly even and just as shite as ours in terms of quality until they went down to 10 men.
Maybe the fact City are giving up glorious chances that aren't being taken sticks in posters minds over the 4 goals they've actually conceded?
Yup. It went back and forth between the two teams, until the Mane red card happened. Then Liverpool just gave up the game. I wouldn't really consider it City dominating and winning.
Pool could have easily beaten them. City were arguably the worse team till Mane.
Despite being behind by 1 goal?
Just watched the highlights again. Liverpool got behind the lines more and tested City's keeper but couldn't convert.
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Guardiola is one of the best managers in the world but is not unbeatable, is he? He always does well at home but he is not so great away from home. That's his biggest weakness.
He does deserve more respect for his achievements. It's true he's had some of the best players at his disposal at Bayern and Barcelona, but he still achieved some great things nonetheless. City will miss him when he leaves.
Salah completely dominated his flank, the other being pressured by Mana. Poor last balls prevented them from scoring on at least 5-6 occasions before the City goal. Those channels were exploited well and showed how weak that defense is against those types of runners.
If a player of similar passing ability as the now in-form KDB was supplying those Pool attackers, i doubt City would manage.
As for Pepinho, it's not that i dislike him personally but more so the cult around him. The guy is a great coach, sure, but people make him out to be the second coming, a messiah. I suppose it's fans' nature to compare and overdo. Coaches have different skills, some are great at keeping bad teams from relegation, some win cups, some are great at stability.
I don't think there is a perfect coach, but rather a perfect one for right here, right now. I guess we would never know what if. What if Pepinho took Crystal Palace? I say, it doesn't matter because that's obviously not what he tries to excel at.
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Videos please because you say this alot but never back it up. Like the time you said one of our supporters lied about us playing Everton off the park but I showed you a link with highlights where he was proven correct. 11 v 11 Liverpool created 1 good chance against us and the same v United. In fact the Everton game you say we didn't dominate, they had the same shots on goal and less shots on target against 10 man City then against 11 man United.
You accused said City fan of flat out lying in that thread. Whose lying now?
Defensive errors - United 2, City 2 (1 leading to a goal)
Chances against according to Squawka (these are very high so I'd imagine include half chances.)
United - Liverpool - 17, Palace - 6, Southampton - 10, Everton - 4, Stoke - 9, Leicester - 7, Swansea - 2, West Ham - 7, - Total - 62 or 7.75 per game
City - Stoke - 4, Chelsea - 2, Palace - 3, Watford - 4, Liverpool - 4, B'Mouth - 3, Everton - 6, Brighton - 2. - Total - 28 or 3.5 per game
Shots (shots on target) against.
United - Liverpool - 19 (5), Swansea - 6 (2, 1 off the woodwork), West Ham - 9 (2, 1 off the woodwork), Leicester - 11 (4), Stoke - 10 (5), Everton - 7 (3), Southampton - 14 (4), Palace - 6 (1) -
Total - 82 (25) (10.1 per game, 3.12 per game)
City - Brighton - 6 (2), Everton - 7 (2), B'Mouth - 9 (4, 1 off woodwork), Liverpool - 7 (3), Watford - 6 (1), Palace - 5 (0), Chelsea - 4 (2), Stoke - 6 (2).
Total - 50 (16) (6.25 per game, 2 per game)
So give me highlights of said chances we give up in comparison to other teams please.
Yet at the time of the red card, City had most the ball, more shots and were a goal to the good.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.. if this, if that. Liverpool didn't have KDB and even the Liverpool supporters on here said we were more likely to grab a second although the game was very much in the balance but it was more likely their defensive incompetence would lead us to a 2nd before Salah roasting Otamendi would grab them an equaliser.
Your last sentence is fantastic btw and I agree with it 100%.
Guardiola is a Fernandinho injury away from being exposed.
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Didn't city start really well last year too? Perhaps less goals but i feel as if they won a large chunk of there first 10 games.
Saying that though, this city team seems fearless and the way they are playing games and finishing off teams I honestly think they will walk the league with the most points gained and most goals scored ever.
Saying that though, this city team seems fearless and the way they are playing games and finishing off teams I honestly think they will walk the league with the most points gained and most goals scored ever.
I can't deny that Peps football is fecking stunning when he has his players in. But, its so intense I can't see him able to sustain this in a league with an intensity as high as the PL. He will need two separate first 11s to keep this up for the whole season.
Yea but the results weren't as good as this years. Won the 10 first games which included 2x Steaua Bucharest in the CL qualifiers, 2x Swansea, Sunderland, West Ham and Bournemouth at home. A win against us at Etihad but they almost threw that game away despite playing better. Also just 4 clean sheets in those 10 games but this season they've had 7 in 11 and that includes two CL matches (not just qualifiers) Chelsea and Liverpool.
Mourinho had a good point when he claimed that the last few winners of the PL did it playing a cautious, conservative style. His argument and many PL followers seemed to be that in order to win this league, you have to work on physicality and directness which will automatically limit your quality on the ball compared to teams who work on that more exclusively like elite European teams. It was hard to argue against him as his Chelsea, Leicester and even Conte's Chelsea fit into that category. If Pep wins the league with City playing the way they are, they will not only be one of the best PL winners ever, they will raise the bar for every other team in the league when it comes to what constitutes a successful season the same way his Barcelona did on the European stage. Very curious to see how they deal with those winter months, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Videos of what? Watfords 3/4 glorious chances that they somehow missed? Bournemouth fluffing the best chance of the game to go 2-1 up? Salah ripping you open time and time again only to mess up the easier final ball? Stoke actually scoring 2 despite being destroyed?
Im not making this up ffs.
Im not saying you have a bad defence but your defence isnt as good as simply stating 4 goals conceded lolz makes it out to be.
Videos of what? Watfords 3/4 glorious chances that they somehow missed? Bournemouth fluffing the best chance of the game to go 2-1 up? Salah ripping you open time and time again only to mess up the easier final ball? Stoke actually scoring 2 despite being destroyed?
Im not making this up ffs.
Im not saying you have a bad defence but your defence isnt as good as simply stating 4 goals conceded lolz makes it out to be.
Wow, we haven't even hit the mid season point to be analysing any team let alone handing the title to Pep and glorifying his team like some posters and pundits are.
Last season Chelsea started off poorly yet still won the league, therefore it's too early to call.
Yes Pep is a very good manager who plays fast expansive attacking football, however what has he won with City last season? Zilch, nada, nowt. Let's wait at least till the new year to see which team is progressing on all fronts, and then again at the end of the season and tally up each managers achievements.
Threads like this don't make sense, 'fair to worship Pep', what a knee jerk reaction. Ridiculous.
Last season Chelsea started off poorly yet still won the league, therefore it's too early to call.
Yes Pep is a very good manager who plays fast expansive attacking football, however what has he won with City last season? Zilch, nada, nowt. Let's wait at least till the new year to see which team is progressing on all fronts, and then again at the end of the season and tally up each managers achievements.
Threads like this don't make sense, 'fair to worship Pep', what a knee jerk reaction. Ridiculous.
When did he say this?
After a disruptive and injury riddled international break too!
After our win against them at Old Trafford last season: "Chelsea are very good defensive team. They defend very well and with lots of players and I think in this situation a very defensive team wins the title with counter-attack goals and set-pieces goals, so I don't think they will let it slip but football is football."
http://www.goal.com/en/news/premier...-manchester-united/1bt4u4csbq8qh1ff04ysalnmke
And earlier again this season: "We know that if you look in a pragmatic way, you see the last winners of the Premier League, the last winners of the Premier League, they did not play attacking football. They played defensive football and counter-attack football."
http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/09/jose-mourinho-aims-dig-at-defensive-antonio-conte-and-chelsea-6914550/
No he has won nothing yet. He started last season strongly too.
Cheers.
I know there's white text but he really is a integral part of the team. The glue guy. It would be interesting to see how they cope without him for a few games though.
I've seen many people claim that anyone could manage the City team and get them to play spanking football (should have quoted them when I saw them). Then they rattle out names to backup that point. But I saw the highlights of their win vs Stoke, and they had three kids upfront in Sane, Sterling and Jesus. By the talk you'd think the front three were Neymar Messi and Suarez. Thing is, Pep is getting a lot out of his attacking players, and the reason why they're enjoying life under him other than his overall coaching is the freedom he gives them. He's willing to start pacey flair players on both wide flanks in addition to attacking fullbacks supporting them. So when we talk about attacking fluidity and the numbers these young players are putting up his approach to the game has to be considered rather than just assuming it's all automated.
Agreed
Probably? Of course we will.
Conte didn't park the bus vs Liverpool away last season though. They created several great chances and missed a pen when it was 1:1. I'd say that Conte's Chelsea is a more attacking side than Jose's. Jose's tactics wouldn't have brought him a win against Atleti away either. Chelsea dominated the game and were attacking for most of the game. Being cautious is one thing and parking the bus is another thing.
I honestly don't get it, Pep or Jose will never be as the same as SAF who built a team from the set go. Give a manager a lot of money, anyone can build a good team as long as they have decent tactics. Would Pep or Jose build a team from scratch like SAF did with us? No. Pep spent millions in the transfer market this year and it would be a criminal if he failed to win the league, they are even talking about buying a new LB because Mendy's injured and they spent a lot of money to get him. This is why i will always respect a team like Spurs more than Chelsea and City too.
Thing is they can do better than Fernandinho and I’m certain next summer they will look for that along with a CB
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