The line of your post that is in bold is the whole reason why the original question held little relevance. There's no comparison between the team being boring to watch for a few seasons and Sir Bobby Charlton killing your children or the team moving 10,000 miles away. It's just an odd and very extreme way to attempt to prove a point. I mean, if teams started to move into different towns, counties, countries or continents then the way that we all looked at football would change fundamentally - that's a slightly different thing to get your head around than whether you'd still support your team if they played like Wimbledon for a few seasons.
"Glory Hunters"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The line of your post that is in bold is the whole reason why the original question held little relevance. There's no comparison between the team being boring to watch for a few seasons and Sir Bobby Charlton killing your children or the team moving 10,000 miles away. It's just an odd and very extreme way to attempt to prove a point. I mean, if teams started to move into different towns, counties, countries or continents then the way that we all looked at football would change fundamentally - that's a slightly different thing to get your head around than whether you'd still support your team if they played like Wimbledon for a few seasons.
surprised it's taken this long for anyone to complain tbh
I support United because of my dad and I wanted to bond with him as a kid.
That's it. If he'd been a Grimsby town fan id be supporting Grimsby.
That's it. If he'd been a Grimsby town fan id be supporting Grimsby.
I think Rusholme United has a good ring to it plus loads of places to eat out as well. hopefully, they'll play attacking football as well.
This. I would even miss being annoyed if some of this group aren't here.
Whingers... They.Complete.Me.
Klopp, is that you?
Really local too - count me in!
Surely they would blame Sir Bobby and not the club for burning their house down. And killing some members of their family along the way.
He would be defended on the Caf, though. As it would clearly be an accident and it was his personal life after all.
This is the type of thread post that would make it into the RAWK thread.Growing up in the 90's I heard this term quite a lot. I'm a third generation United supporter, so I never took it too personally.
Then the oil money arrived in the Premier League, and there was that term again, this time aimed at Chelsea & City supporters.
When Ferguson retired we got Moyes, but so many of the players remained. Then there was Van Gaal, who was a lunatic, but (at least for me, while he was here) he was our lunatic. Now we've got Jose, who won 2 trophies in his first season... but apparently they weren't the right type of trophies. He's now won 3/3 Champions League games (2 away), lost 1 game and quite a few of you are fed up. He doesn't use our current injury list as an excuse, but our injury list (if fit) would beat some teams on their own, and it's the longest in the league.
Some of you guys need to take a moment, and contemplate if you are really a Manchester United supporter. You may find that rather than being a United fan, that you're actually a fan of great players, or attractive football... there's no shame in that. Life is short, be happy.
P.S. If like some people, you are actually happy being unhappy, I could recommend a few other teams that will make you very unhappy/happy indeed
On to a more important matter. I don't think you understand the term Glory Seeker. We are second in the league, top of our CL group with maximum points and won 2 trophies last season. Glory Seekers would be lapping this up. Going overboard about how wonderful we are. They would not be critical because we went out with no attacking threat against Liverpool or that we lost our first game of the season against Huddersfield.
The main complaint that I have saw on here has been about content above results. There have even been some complaints about our performances in some of our 4-0 wins. None of that is Glory Seeking. Wanting the team to win trophies regardless of how tumescent it is to watch might be considered Glory Seeking though. I'm not saying it is but it might be.
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Well, what's the point in 'winning trophies' if it's dull as dishwater for 8 of the 9 months of the season? Personally, entertaining football is more important to me as I watch football to entertain me. Yes, the feeling when your teams wins a trophy is nice, but I wouldn't want it at the consequence of exciting football.
Not disrespect to you OP, But who exactly are you to judge others?
I'm a bit of an armchair softie, it's true
Surely they would blame Sir Bobby and not the club for burning their house down. And killing some members of their family along the way.
He would be defended on the Caf, though. As it would clearly be an accident and it was his personal life after all.
It was obviously an accident. He was trying to put out a fire in his role as a community service ambassador when his souvenir World War II shotgun (the one he carried on D-Day) went off and accidentally hurt some bystanders and a dog. Dizzy from the smoke, he rushed the dog to what he thought was a nearby veterinary hospital but which turned out to be a pizza parlour. Our thoughts are with Sir Bobby at this distressing time.
Back to the original post then, I have some empathy with the comments but also the right of fans to express their own feelings. In my, very long experience of sport, their are fanatical fans and fans that have many other interests in their lives. Spending every day on a forum can’t be healthy and it can quite often turn nasty.
So chill out and support your team in a sensible fashion ignoring any crap such as glory hunter or prawn sandwich brigade. It is ok to criticise players or managers in my view but not to be extreme about it. I have watched United all my life, first match 1st Feb 1964 against Arsenal (we won) and I still have the programme. It cost 6d, sixpence or 2&1/2 p in today’s money.
Since then, there have been some dire times, far from glory but you just carry on and take the jibes from other fans and pay them back later. Our local Everton fan is coping a lot just now.
So chill out and support your team in a sensible fashion ignoring any crap such as glory hunter or prawn sandwich brigade. It is ok to criticise players or managers in my view but not to be extreme about it. I have watched United all my life, first match 1st Feb 1964 against Arsenal (we won) and I still have the programme. It cost 6d, sixpence or 2&1/2 p in today’s money.
Since then, there have been some dire times, far from glory but you just carry on and take the jibes from other fans and pay them back later. Our local Everton fan is coping a lot just now.
If you read my further comments in this thread, I hope you'll see that I'm not judging, labelling, or ranking anyone.
I understand the term perfectly well thanks, which is why it's in quotes. You're right, some people display a level of undue optimism on RAWK, thus we must strive to show our superiority by doing the opposite.
I think a mixture of both is pretty healthy. I wouldn’t be unhappy if we won every year with poor entertainment, but I’d be a bit disappointing knowing that we could be winning those games with a bit of swag and giving the fans their money’s worth.
I don't really understand how the recent matches have anything to do with "Glory Hunters"? Aren't Glory Hunters fans that would jump ship to another more successful clubs, and that they have no loyalty to their own club?
I think a lot that are upset with our "anti-football" in away games against top 6, and our gutless defeat against Huddersfield, are not upset because of Jose's preferred strategies, but that we've drawn and lost.
Thing is, this is the longest we've gone without winning the league, since the EPL started. We've been the undisputed biggest club in England for a very long time. Under Fergie, we've never ended a season below 3rd place. As Arsenal, Chelsea, and City build teams to win the occasional season, we've always came right back and win it again.
Point is, as things are going, we're not winning the league this season, again. I think that's what many are upset about. Now I'm not saying it is impossible to win, as objectively speaking, it is still far too early to call. But that City have displayed excellent performances recently, while we're struggling with injures. It also didn't help that our rival swept away Liverpool, and we just park the bus and pray for a 1-0 win. Then we embarrassed ourselves against Huddersfield. Pep's philosophy is shown to be working for City, while we've been "found out". Remember how well we were doing at the start, but we never faced a "top team"? Guess what, now that we have faced tougher oppositions, we didn't do so hot.
So the question is, do we look like a league winning team? Or more importantly, do we have the capability of catching up the 5 points gap? Let's not forget, we have seen 03-04 Arsenal, we have seen 04-05 Chelsea, it is not crazy to think Pep's City this season would not drop many more points. They have depth in their squad, the team had a year to gel together, it's unlikely they will just collapse like Arsenal would.
Again, I'm not saying we're out of the race, because that would be too soon to call. But that we don't exactly look like we're on the right track to win it this season. We might need another summer of transfers to do so. Now then combine with the fact that we might be parking more buses, our midfield depleted, attack blunted for quite some more games this season, you can see why the frustration among the fans. Had we won against Liverpool and Huddersfield with "anti-football" and poor performance while carrying the longest list of injures in the league, then I don't think many would care at all. We would still be tie in points, and we've managed to beat 2 teams with a depleted squad. Now that's a championship winning team. But we didn't. So what does that say about our team and our manager's tactics?
It's not entertaining watching your team take hits and never hit back, but it is infinitely worst to still end up losing for nothing.
I think a lot that are upset with our "anti-football" in away games against top 6, and our gutless defeat against Huddersfield, are not upset because of Jose's preferred strategies, but that we've drawn and lost.
Thing is, this is the longest we've gone without winning the league, since the EPL started. We've been the undisputed biggest club in England for a very long time. Under Fergie, we've never ended a season below 3rd place. As Arsenal, Chelsea, and City build teams to win the occasional season, we've always came right back and win it again.
Point is, as things are going, we're not winning the league this season, again. I think that's what many are upset about. Now I'm not saying it is impossible to win, as objectively speaking, it is still far too early to call. But that City have displayed excellent performances recently, while we're struggling with injures. It also didn't help that our rival swept away Liverpool, and we just park the bus and pray for a 1-0 win. Then we embarrassed ourselves against Huddersfield. Pep's philosophy is shown to be working for City, while we've been "found out". Remember how well we were doing at the start, but we never faced a "top team"? Guess what, now that we have faced tougher oppositions, we didn't do so hot.
So the question is, do we look like a league winning team? Or more importantly, do we have the capability of catching up the 5 points gap? Let's not forget, we have seen 03-04 Arsenal, we have seen 04-05 Chelsea, it is not crazy to think Pep's City this season would not drop many more points. They have depth in their squad, the team had a year to gel together, it's unlikely they will just collapse like Arsenal would.
Again, I'm not saying we're out of the race, because that would be too soon to call. But that we don't exactly look like we're on the right track to win it this season. We might need another summer of transfers to do so. Now then combine with the fact that we might be parking more buses, our midfield depleted, attack blunted for quite some more games this season, you can see why the frustration among the fans. Had we won against Liverpool and Huddersfield with "anti-football" and poor performance while carrying the longest list of injures in the league, then I don't think many would care at all. We would still be tie in points, and we've managed to beat 2 teams with a depleted squad. Now that's a championship winning team. But we didn't. So what does that say about our team and our manager's tactics?
It's not entertaining watching your team take hits and never hit back, but it is infinitely worst to still end up losing for nothing.
Pep’s philosophy wherever he’s been is to spend,spend,spend. He has spent over a billion at the three clubs he’s managed. United have spent, but not got all the first choices Jose wanted which says something to me about the aura of the club these days. The players we have are good enough to still win the league and if he gets a winger that will play for him, then he will be in business. Zlatan back also will help. Signing off to watch the Swansea game.
I had a mate who like me had supported United since the late 70s so experienced the lean period before the good years.
By 2007, he became bored shitless of us winning everything all the time so decided to start supporting City to savour "the glory of a potential battle against relegation" every season.
That went well didn't it
By 2007, he became bored shitless of us winning everything all the time so decided to start supporting City to savour "the glory of a potential battle against relegation" every season.
That went well didn't it
I have loved United and anything with cheese on or in it for over 40 years. You just can‘t blame people for good taste.
But this vegan shit can piss off.
But this vegan shit can piss off.
Glory Hunters need to look at this to know real passion. 5:50 onwards
Glory Hunters need to look at this to know real passion. 5:50 onwards
Oh Evra...
Miss him. What a great guy.Glory Hunters need to look at this to know real passion. 5:50 onwards
fecking hell I miss that guy. At the very least he'll be a club ambassador for us once he retires but I bloody hope he'll want a bigger role like a coach or something. Who knows if that's what he wants or whether he'll even suit being a coach, but having his passion around the club would be incredible to have.
I mean we can criticize pep for other things. But to say his philosophy is to spend, is really hypocritical. It’s not like Mou didn’t spend at Chelsea, Real or Man Utd. Sure, Inter is an exception, but it’s because the dosh wasn’t there.
Poetic. I like it
For me, if you can decide to support another club the whole point of being a support is gone. You are simply a sport watcher with affinities. I can't, even if i wanted to, make myself support another club. It's nay impossible.
Who gives a shit really.
Glory hunter is a term that was used when I was 8 years old.
Support whomever you want.... you as an individual are absolutely insignificant as a fan..... cry bitch and moan as much as you might.
This being the "colloquial" you....
Glory hunter is a term that was used when I was 8 years old.
Support whomever you want.... you as an individual are absolutely insignificant as a fan..... cry bitch and moan as much as you might.
This being the "colloquial" you....
Y'all need perspective. Most of the league would swap places with us right now and trade their problems for our 'problems'. The incessant moaning (while always being a part of redcafe) has gotten so bad it puts me off visiting the football side of this forum sometimes. I'm starting to think it's just pessimistic moaning cnuts being pessimistic moaning cnuts and while it's United the're whinging about here it could just as easily be something else elsewhere.
Just ignore it... I did wonder what other fans think about it. Imagine being a fan of a struggling team playing shite football with atrocious luck and abysmal players.
Just ignore it... I did wonder what other fans think about it. Imagine being a fan of a struggling team playing shite football with atrocious luck and abysmal players.
All these 'ima better fan than you' narrative is just childish and tiresome. Every now and then a 'glory hunter' thread pops up around.
Just support whoever the feck you want. You are a 'better fan' than others? Hooray!
Just support whoever the feck you want. You are a 'better fan' than others? Hooray!
If you were still supporting United after Moyes and LVG coaching then you're 100% no a glory hunter
The 'Glory Hunter' thing is down to our support from outside Manchester. I grew up in the 60's and 70's in Manchester. You either supported Utd or City, depending largely where in Manchester you came from. You supported either club because of the 'culture' - your family, your mates, your school etc. I was never called a Glory Hunter because I lived in Gorton which was largely a City area. The school I went to was virtually all City, but I was local and everybody recognised why you supported one team or the other - yes I got victimised, but that was for being red rather than blue and in places like Salford, the boot was on the other foot.
City fans (and pretty much fans of every other club) referred to us as 'Glory Hunters' because we were (or had been) very successful, we were always challengers and crucially, we had huge support from far flung areas where the only logical argument for following Utd was their success. These areas had no Utd 'culture' that they embraced, no schools where it was largely Utd fans, etc. That is not an insult to those Utd fans from around the World and I'm sure that many can point to family links etc, but our success was a crucial basis for the global support.
We are no different to Liverpool and Arsenal, but we differ from the rest. The common denominator between Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal is historical success.
It is, of course, a criticism which is borne out of jealousy. At least we've had Glory to hunt, so in the final analysis, who gives a shit?
City fans (and pretty much fans of every other club) referred to us as 'Glory Hunters' because we were (or had been) very successful, we were always challengers and crucially, we had huge support from far flung areas where the only logical argument for following Utd was their success. These areas had no Utd 'culture' that they embraced, no schools where it was largely Utd fans, etc. That is not an insult to those Utd fans from around the World and I'm sure that many can point to family links etc, but our success was a crucial basis for the global support.
We are no different to Liverpool and Arsenal, but we differ from the rest. The common denominator between Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal is historical success.
It is, of course, a criticism which is borne out of jealousy. At least we've had Glory to hunt, so in the final analysis, who gives a shit?
Great post.
Ultimately supporting a club is a personal choice. Not sure what glory hunter really means, I find it weird that anyone thinks supporting a club is glorious. Probably either 6 year old or really needs a life outside of that.
really interesting post, thanks for sharing. I'm not old enough to know about pre Atkinson, so certaiinly not the Busby days.
Many Redcafe Mourinho haters state that he is disrespectful of our 'free flowing attacking traditions'; as if Busbys teams only ever played tippy tappy and counter attacking wing-play every single game. But from your recollections, thats hogwash, and really just rose tinted memories captured as great marketing by the club today.
I certainly do remember Atkinson's flawed team and SAF's early days, and the football during those 8 years was far from these great 'traditions' that Mourinho is supposedly riding roughshod over.
As I wrote in my OP in the other thread, creating attacking title winning teams takes abit of time and is a multi stage process. Like you, I'm sure we'll get there again soon.
Glory hunters are one thing, but most of the people on here will have started supporting United when trophies were few and far between. It's just blind luck we managed to sign a man who was an absolute genius at managing. Pure luck. If we hadn't signed him and would have continued the drought, most of us would probably be on here whinging about exactly the same stuff, poor tactics, bad performances, players not giving 100%, etc. etc.. We're lucky to have an unprecedented period of success to measure our team against. The team are unlucky that we have that period to measure them against, but thats a different rant...
If you started supporting United after they started winning trophies and purely because they were at the top you're nearly always branded as a glory hunter. And to be fair, you probably are/were then. But, like most of the rest of us you're bond with the club will no doubt have meant you now have United in your blood. So, now you've graduated and aren't really a glory hunter, especially if you stuck around though the last few years, watching weekly, going to games, reading all the news, posting on the forums. By now you just want to support your team and see them be at least competitive, and to vent your opinions and frustrations, which is allowable.
My own family started supporting United around the time when a little known Irishman was tearing up defences around England and Europe. The idea that a man from a place they knew and came from could achieve what he was achieving is its own sort of glory hunting. And given the Ireland of that time, he would have been one of the few shining lights for young people to look up to. Almost similar to Conor McGregor fans now.
So I can understand why success attracts people. It's an awe thing. Once Fergie left, the illusion was shattered. But, I still count them as United supporters.
I will say this, I know plenty of people that have supported United for a very long time and the opinions on here that people are being branded whingers for are very similar to their own opinions. They aren't technology using people, my uncle only got his first email address 6 months or less ago, so they're not on here whinging, but they whinged plenty when Fergie was around too, so it has feck all to do with not winning trophies. If the performance is shit it doesn't mean winning a trophy makes it ok. The performance was still shit and you're allowed to say it!
In the past people would have vented their frustrations about games and performances at the ground or in the pub directly after the game and that's where it would have stayed. Now internet forums publish those frustrations for everyone to throw their two cents on, which is all most of it is, post match frustration. By the time the next game comes around we're all 100% behind the team again. You're opinion is not more valid than anyone elses. It like an arsehole, everyone has one.
We should all just take a chill pill and stop bashing each other for having an opinion on the club, or try to relegate someone's opinion 'because I'm a bigger United supporter than you are so my opinion counts and yours doesn't, so shut up'. It's all bollox, most if anyway.
If you started supporting United after they started winning trophies and purely because they were at the top you're nearly always branded as a glory hunter. And to be fair, you probably are/were then. But, like most of the rest of us you're bond with the club will no doubt have meant you now have United in your blood. So, now you've graduated and aren't really a glory hunter, especially if you stuck around though the last few years, watching weekly, going to games, reading all the news, posting on the forums. By now you just want to support your team and see them be at least competitive, and to vent your opinions and frustrations, which is allowable.
My own family started supporting United around the time when a little known Irishman was tearing up defences around England and Europe. The idea that a man from a place they knew and came from could achieve what he was achieving is its own sort of glory hunting. And given the Ireland of that time, he would have been one of the few shining lights for young people to look up to. Almost similar to Conor McGregor fans now.
So I can understand why success attracts people. It's an awe thing. Once Fergie left, the illusion was shattered. But, I still count them as United supporters.
I will say this, I know plenty of people that have supported United for a very long time and the opinions on here that people are being branded whingers for are very similar to their own opinions. They aren't technology using people, my uncle only got his first email address 6 months or less ago, so they're not on here whinging, but they whinged plenty when Fergie was around too, so it has feck all to do with not winning trophies. If the performance is shit it doesn't mean winning a trophy makes it ok. The performance was still shit and you're allowed to say it!
In the past people would have vented their frustrations about games and performances at the ground or in the pub directly after the game and that's where it would have stayed. Now internet forums publish those frustrations for everyone to throw their two cents on, which is all most of it is, post match frustration. By the time the next game comes around we're all 100% behind the team again. You're opinion is not more valid than anyone elses. It like an arsehole, everyone has one.
We should all just take a chill pill and stop bashing each other for having an opinion on the club, or try to relegate someone's opinion 'because I'm a bigger United supporter than you are so my opinion counts and yours doesn't, so shut up'. It's all bollox, most if anyway.
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This.
The last para is bang on. None of us has the right to tell anyone else how they should and shouldn't support United.
Spot on Green Red. Even during ferries' time there was plenty calling for his head. Especially before we started winning any trophies. I still remember even a few years back our rivals would have dropped a point and Fergie would change his team and we would struggle and play terrible football and either drop a point or lose the game and give up the chance to put some points between our rivals or close the distance and most of the fans would be calling for his head.
With Jose, it seems to be a different scenario. It seems that no matter what he did, they want him gone. I dont know who they want to replace him? Pep is not going to come as he had the chance to come to United but he refused and went to Bayern. Then even after that he did not get in touch with United after he left Bayern. So he does not want to manage United. The other much vaunted Managers are all struggling. Klopp at Liverpool, Simeone at Athletico, Conte at Chelsea, Zidane at Real. Now Poch lost to us so he is no better than Jose anyway.
With Jose, it seems to be a different scenario. It seems that no matter what he did, they want him gone. I dont know who they want to replace him? Pep is not going to come as he had the chance to come to United but he refused and went to Bayern. Then even after that he did not get in touch with United after he left Bayern. So he does not want to manage United. The other much vaunted Managers are all struggling. Klopp at Liverpool, Simeone at Athletico, Conte at Chelsea, Zidane at Real. Now Poch lost to us so he is no better than Jose anyway.
I really doubt that.
We’re all glory hunters. We all want United to win trophies.