[Ban]

Liverpool fans in the media in trying to create a problem for united shocker. Its clear they are a bit rattled that we have the manager who can win games and knows how to defend, they had waited all their life for fergie to retire and finally win the elague and come so close with brendan. Now having an attacking manager who cant defend to save heavy metal music, they try to unsettle and create a wave of jose plays negative football to turn fans against the club. Poor sods dreamt of their team winning the elague finally and now have to face an idea that united might be competing for the elague again after winning 2 trophies last year.

Defenses win you leagues, we seem to have found a good combination in that. First objective is to finish in top 4/3. That will happen if we dont concede. There are only 10 games vs the other top 6 clubs, that is 30 points, you try and win the home ones and draw away ones and destroy every team below top 6 and you wont be far from winning the league. It has worked for mourinho earlier and he will trust this formuale. Who wants to learn about football from serial losers anyway?

Suddenly they'll full of praise for Fergie's teams and apparently this one doesn't come close to any of those. But when they were playing they hated Fergie's teams guts'.
I loved McnManaman's part about anyone can win the league, Liverpool can win the league.

 

[kouroux]

I don't give a flying fe*k about how we play as long as we win. Specially against the top teams. After that there's always so much butthurt from other fans that it's even more enjoyable. So I'm delighted with the win and very happy for Martial.

Amen

 

[Sandyman]

Don't you just love the feeling after a big win? It's Monday and am still buzzing. Reading articles that grudgingly acknowledge our game plan worked well, no mention at all of the negative approach Spurs took, seeing fans getting worked up trying to discredit the win because of no Harry Kane, and all the while just laughing at their pathetic attempts at trolling. Beautiful stuff!

 

[mark_a]

Suddenly they'll full of praise for Fergie's teams and apparently this one doesn't come close to any of those. But when they were playing they hated Fergie's teams guts'.

This! ^

Yeah, I thought that under SAF United had to cheat their way to their various titles with the help of all the Refs and the FA? But, no, apparently it's because we played beautiful football every single minute of every game. Who knew?

 

[mark_a]

If City weren't sitting on top and if there wasn't such a Pep love-in, this result against Spurs would be counted by the various pundits as a very valuable win and a sign of a team showing their title-winning credentials by digging in, getting a tight win (despite injuries) and turning around a couple of games-worth of below par performances.

Also, the BBC seemed keen to report that we beat "...Spurs without Harry Kane", which is nice of them. Maybe that'll be a question for Poch at the next presser "The BBC are also now saying that you're -The Harry Kane Team- what do you make of that?"

Anyone think they'd have made more of a blatant dive if it had been from a United player and not Alli? That was a shocker, no mention at all. What happened to retrospective action for that sort of thing?

Early in the first half, Smalling produced a great sliding tackle, but I can't remember who it was against. They kicked out at him after the ball went away. Did anyone else spot that? Similar comments to above.

Delli Alli?! Someone who definitely believes his own hype. Arrogant, puffed-up tosser! Another vindication for me personally retiring from (following) international football.

Anyone moaning after this victory isn't a proper fan. Plus the press are feeding of these moaners and having discussions framed as "United win, but fans not happy.. ring in with your views".

Whatever we do we'll get trolled by the press one way or another, you know that. As with under SAF, they'll only admit how good we've been long after the event, if at all.
If (when!) we win anything now, it's never done "the right way". This is the narrative.

 

[mark_a]

Beglin is usually good I agree.
In fairness Herrera young and miki all had moments of diving I only remember one from Alli so hE had a point I thought.

Valencia was the only person punished for it, where from what I remember (& it was in front of where I sit) he was shoved off balanced anyhow. So yeah, he went down, but he wasn't looking for anything, I don't think there was a claim by him afterwards. Plus, United fans know, he's one the the most likely to try & stay on his feet! Ridiculous refereeing that was. It wasn't a pen, it probably wasn't a foul. But if someone "puts pressure on you" i.e. defensively shoves you, you bloody fall over! In a game where that absolute comedy dive from went unpunished I think they're missing the elephant in the room.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Holy shit. It's astonishing when you hear these so called "pundits" express their opinion. They're full of such bullshit, it's unbelievable. Redknapp with his "that United defence is nowhere near Vidic and Ferdinand etc." - 4 goals conceded this season, no goals scored at OT from open play in 2017. Our defence is as good as its ever been since 08/09 and it CAN reach that level. I hate hearing stupid people talk and Redknapp is beyond thick.

As for the stupid scouser, LOL. Bar this period of 2-3 weeks, we've been thoroughly entertained by our team. Heck, I was more than entertained on Saturday - off my seat screaming when we scored. These guys want us to lose so that they can say "we told you so". They may as well come out and say we hate Mourinho and we hate United. Lampard was the only one who didn't spout crap and that's because he obviously loves Mourinho (plus he isn't a dipshit).

 

[The holy trinity 68]

He's not

Well Valencia are second in the league, 4 points above Real Madrid and 4 behind Barcelona. Pereira has played in 9 of the 10 league games so he can't be doing bad. His goal and assist stats are not great but you shouldn't just judge players on goals and assists. Which seems to be all the rage these days.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Seriously, how often during these games against a rival top 4-6 team does one team look like City against a relegation team?

It's almost ALWAYS a narrow win for one team and it's all about fine margins. Jose set us up perfectly defensively and we were the better team, clearly, in the 2nd half after a sluggish start.

Very happy.

 

[Ban]

Holy shit. It's astonishing when you hear these so called "pundits" express their opinion. They're full of such bullshit, it's unbelievable. Redknapp with his "that United defence is nowhere near Vidic and Ferdinand etc." - 4 goals conceded this season, no goals scored at OT from open play in 2017. Our defence is as good as its ever been since 08/09 and it CAN reach that level. I hate hearing stupid people talk and Redknapp is beyond thick.

As for the stupid scouser, LOL. Bar this period of 2-3 weeks, we've been thoroughly entertained by our team. Heck, I was more than entertained on Saturday - off my seat screaming when we scored. These guys want us to lose so that they can say "we told you so". They may as well come out and say we hate Mourinho and we hate United. Lampard was the only one who didn't spout crap and that's because he obviously loves Mourinho (plus he isn't a dipshit).

Haha, yeah, that too. Nowhere near Ferdinand and Vidić while our defensive record has been superb this season.
What a load of bollocks. They're just trying to find new ways to put us down. And when you see that it's obvious Jose is doing a good job. I hope he watched this and thought 'oh well I'll show them more from that came from".

 

[Maradona10]

Suddenly they'll full of praise for Fergie's teams and apparently this one doesn't come close to any of those. But when they were playing they hated Fergie's teams guts'.
I loved McnManaman's part about anyone can win the league, Liverpool can win the league.

I remember them saying it was ferguson's worst team three year consecutively, we won the league most of the times. They must be really sick in the stomach as they are sensing that only we or maybe tottenham are going to be challenging again. While they listed to klopp rage on about heavy metal bullshit.

 

[Ban]

I remember them saying it was ferguson's worst team three year consecutively, we won the league most of the times. They must be really sick in the stomach as they are sensing that only we or maybe tottenham are going to be challenging again. While they listed to klopp rage on about heavy metal bullshit.

Yeah year after year we had a 'worst team ever.'

 

[I Believe]

It's astonishing when you hear these so called "pundits" express their opinion

You've hit the nail on the head there... 'so called pundits', an Ex-Liverpool player who more or less chokes every time he mentions United and an ex- Spurs manager who has been pipped to the post so many times by United, he's got a headache from hitting the post... second.

Both these men turned up on Saturday thinking they were going to 'bury' United and Mourhino after a Spurs victory, but once again they had to throw away their scripts and travel home with their tail between their legs. This is what makes such victories even sweeter, watching such as Macca and Harry squirm.

The comment about watching good football rather than winning is classic scouser, they've had plenty of practice for the last couple of decades.. of not winning titles

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Well Valencia are second in the league, 4 points above Real Madrid and 4 behind Barcelona. Pereira has played in 9 of the 10 league games so he can't be doing bad. His goal and assist stats are not great but you shouldn't just judge players on goals and assists. Which seems to be all the rage these days.

Your using statistics as well but don't realise it. How many games has he started? He comes in when the team has already won. He is not getting enough game time which is frustrating but hey are doing well without him?

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Your using statistics as well but don't realise it. How many games has he started? He comes in when the team has already won. He is not getting enough game time which is frustrating but hey are doing well without him?

Not really, I am just pointing out how many games he has featured in. 4 starts and the rest from the bench is not that bad considering he is a loanee and they are 2nd in the league. He is still getting more game time than he would here. Coming on when the game is already won is not a bad thing, it means there is less pressure on him and he can relax and play his natural game.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

You've hit the nail on the head there... 'so called pundits', an Ex-Liverpool player who more or less chokes every time he mentions United and an ex- Spurs manager who has been pipped to the post so many times by United, he's got a headache from hitting the post... second.

Both these men turned up on Saturday thinking they were going to 'bury' United and Mourhino after a Spurs victory, but once again they had to throw away their scripts and travel home with their tail between their legs. This is what makes such victories even sweeter, watching such as Macca and Harry squirm.

The comment about watching good football rather than winning is classic scouser, they've had plenty of practice for the last couple of decades.. of not winning titles

This was our league start in Fergies last season:

10 (PL) 8 (W) 0 (D) 2 (L) 26 (GF) 14 (GA) 12 (GD) 24 (P)

We've one less win this season, one less point, 3 less goals scored and conceded 8 less with a far better goal difference. Yet we're shit, not entertaining, boring... blah blah blah.

I don't want to be advocating the whole "United vs the World" theme but, in my opinion, everyone wants us to fail. No one liked that we beat Spurs on the weekend, and did so by outplaying them, so to continue this bullshit narrative about negative football, they invent more inane excuses.

feck off you uneducated cnuts. I would love it if we absolute destroy this league, stating the obvious, but it would shut these morons up. I also think we have the perfect manager in doing so.

 

[James Peril]

I would say Spurs played very similar to what we did at Anfield. Tight, a bit under pressure and created one big chance "out of nothing", just like with Lukaku when he missed the sitter. It's good to see that it evens out. I do not expect us to do a "Spurs vs. Pool" against any top team this season, but most big games can be "boring". Football is about points, not entertainment.

 

[Drz]

He's not

Ok, call me misinformed then lol
I see Valencia is second in the Liga, was hoping he contributed.

 

[noodlehair]

It's just a theme kicked up from the Liverpool game, where our approach was justifiably criticised. It's a criticism that's been levelled at Jose before. So now people are just applying it for the sake of it without any regard for context.

If we'd played Spurs a month ago and produced the exact same performance. It would have received little criticism and a fair amount of praise.

It's not even about people or pundits having agendas...I'm not saying they don't, but the criticisms come about because people are just lazy and will jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Shiva87]

This was our league start in Fergies last season:

10 (PL) 8 (W) 0 (D) 2 (L) 26 (GF) 14 (GA) 12 (GD) 24 (P)

We've one less win this season, one less point, 3 less goals scored and conceded 8 less with a far better goal difference. Yet we're shit, not entertaining, boring... blah blah blah.

I don't want to be advocating the whole "United vs the World" theme but, in my opinion, everyone wants us to fail. No one liked that we beat Spurs on the weekend, and did so by outplaying them, so to continue this bullshit narrative about negative football, they invent more inane excuses.

feck off you uneducated cnuts. I would love it if we absolute destroy this league, stating the obvious, but it would shut these morons up. I also think we have the perfect manager in doing so.

The oddest thing was, Jose asked the press to shut up with his shush gesture post-match (which was made directly into the TV camera). Was asked specifically about it and mentioned that some people talk too much, and need to relax and enjoy the game. Clearly indicating that it was about pundits and journos. But, the papers next day ran a story saying that Jose is picking up a fight with the fans and that the gesture was targeted at fans who booed the Rashford substitition.

It was more like, ok Jose - you think you can take on the press. We are going to slaughter you and turn this around to be a fight between you and your fans. That's the power of the pen!

 

[Andersons Dietician]

This was our league start in Fergies last season:

10 (PL) 8 (W) 0 (D) 2 (L) 26 (GF) 14 (GA) 12 (GD) 24 (P)

We've one less win this season, one less point, 3 less goals scored and conceded 8 less with a far better goal difference. Yet we're shit, not entertaining, boring... blah blah blah.

I don't want to be advocating the whole "United vs the World" theme but, in my opinion, everyone wants us to fail. No one liked that we beat Spurs on the weekend, and did so by outplaying them, so to continue this bullshit narrative about negative football, they invent more inane excuses.

feck off you uneducated cnuts. I would love it if we absolute destroy this league, stating the obvious, but it would shut these morons up. I also think we have the perfect manager in doing so.

Did we? People get that you can play games where you are out played and still win. I’m extatic that we beat Spurs but outplayed them I don’t think so. Personal opinion of course.

Also people mention negative football and some people’s brain jumps to displays against Liverpool and Everyman behind the ball. That is not what people mean when they say negative football. To me it’s quite obvious that the way Jose has us play is negative. It’s subtle things which I guess if youre not familiar with more tactical nuances of football or just don’t want to see it you won’t notice.

Noticed a lot of people also keep saying look at our goal tally, how can that be negative, you can score goals and still be negative the fact is the tactics on the field are negative.

I think you’re whole speel about the goals is the problem. You like many others think goals are the entertainment. If all of those were from penalties, would we still be playing good football?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Not really, I am just pointing out how many games he has featured in. 4 starts and the rest from the bench is not that bad considering he is a loanee and they are 2nd in the league. He is still getting more game time than he would here. Coming on when the game is already won is not a bad thing, it means there is less pressure on him and he can relax and play his natural game.

I think he needs to be tested more because its easy to come on when your 3 - 0 up at home with 10 minutes left. He will benefit more if he shows his character and qualities by starting and when the going gets tough. That way both the club and player will benefit. He can't command a starting place at Valencia who were shocking last year so I don't know why he expected to command a regular place at United. Jose did not want him to leave on loan and as luck would have it he would have featured due to the Fellaini and Pogba injuries.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

I think he needs to be tested more because its easy to come on when your 3 - 0 up at home with 10 minutes left. He will benefit more if he shows his character and qualities by starting and when the going gets tough. That way both the club and player will benefit. He can't command a starting place at Valencia who were shocking last year so I don't know why he expected to command a regular place at United. Jose did not want him to leave on loan and as luck would have it he would have featured due to the Fellaini and Pogba injuries.

Forget last season, Valencia are sitting 2nd in the league this season, so obviously it will be difficult for him to start all the time. Especially when they know he is only a loanee so they aren't exactly obligated to play him all the time at the expense of their own players who are performing admirably this season.

Also forget hindsight, in Pereira's eyes he was never going to get played then we already had Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick in front of him in the pecking order. No one would ever expect to have 3 of the 5 centre mids injured at the same time. He obviously believed he would get much more game time at Valencia.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Did we? People get that you can play games where you are out played and still win. I’m extatic that we beat Spurs but outplayed them I don’t think so. Personal opinion of course.

Also people mention negative football and some people’s brain jumps to displays against Liverpool and Everyman behind the ball. That is not what people mean when they say negative football. To me it’s quite obvious that the way Jose has us play is negative. It’s subtle things which I guess if youre not familiar with more tactical nuances of football or just don’t want to see it you won’t notice.

Noticed a lot of people also keep saying look at our goal tally, how can that be negative, you can score goals and still be negative the fact is the tactics on the field are negative.

I think you’re whole speel about the goals is the problem. You like many others think goals are the entertainment. If all of those were from penalties, would we still be playing good football?

To be fair, Spurs were better in the first half but didn't look like scoring at all. In the second half we were better than them and not including the All chance they didn't really look like scoring. We had about 5 chances that nearly ended up in goals.

 

[Coops73]

Thought we had a reasonably good first 10-15 mins and a much better 2nd half, I thought we carried a lot more threat than them and I only really remember them having 1 or 2 real chances, I know we probably didn’t have much more than that ourselves which is to be expected as they’re strong defensively but there definitely was more attacking intent from us and we’ve come away with a win against a bloody good side, can’t complain, just can’t wait for Pogba to return and liven up that midfield.

 

[Maradona10]

Thought we had a reasonably good first 10-15 mins and a much better 2nd half, I thought we carried a lot more threat than them and I only really remember them having 1 or 2 real chances, I know we probably didn’t have much more than that ourselves which is to be expected as they’re strong defensively but there definitely was more attacking intent from us and we’ve come away with a win against a bloody good side, can’t complain, just can’t wait for Pogba to return and liven up that midfield.

Think we Created 5-6 good opportunities, with two absolutely clear cut chances. Lingard one was a bad bad miss, lukaku header hitting the bar, two good low crosses by young, valencia shooting just over, Lukaku's over head kick, martial's goal were all good chances. Like i said, we were easily the better team, its just pundits saying bullshit cause most of them are scouse or partray the anti mourinho agenda.

Man utd in crisis will always sell more than manutd in happy spirits. Controversy creates cash and that is the motive of these cnuts.

 

[shield]

Did we? People get that you can play games where you are out played and still win. I’m extatic that we beat Spurs but outplayed them I don’t think so. Personal opinion of course.

Also people mention negative football and some people’s brain jumps to displays against Liverpool and Everyman behind the ball. That is not what people mean when they say negative football. To me it’s quite obvious that the way Jose has us play is negative. It’s subtle things which I guess if youre not familiar with more tactical nuances of football or just don’t want to see it you won’t notice.

Noticed a lot of people also keep saying look at our goal tally, how can that be negative, you can score goals and still be negative the fact is the tactics on the field are negative.

I think you’re whole speel about the goals is the problem. You like many others think goals are the entertainment. If all of those were from penalties, would we still be playing good football?

Completly agree.

I am also quite happy with the win. However, there are some issues which need addressing, like our tendency to always sit back and invite the opposition onto us instead of taking the initiative ourselves.

In the Tottenham match, they were there for the taking. Some people are asking why few supporters are complaining after a win against a Spurs team who just gave Real a tough time. People have got to remember that they achieved all that with Kane in their starting lineup. Without him they are toothless and were quite tepid against us.

I did not mind the defensive outlook at the start of the match, but after about 15 min it became abundantly clear that this was not the same Tottenham side which had embarassed Liverpool and made things hard for Real and I wish that then our players had slowy started pushing them back. We however continued to enjoy our opponents ineptitude and were more than happy to just keep things that way instead of taking the match to them.

The main problem to me looked like the players had settled into a defensive rhythm and were failing to come out of it. They had gone into a zone where they were just concentrating on keeping the opposition at bay and were satisfied with the keeping things that way. They need to learn to transition from defense to attack once they have suppressed an attacking wave or attacking phase from the opposition.

The urgency shown in the second half was much better. We should have started doing that midway into the first half.

 

[aaron221295]

As much as the pundits want to discuss this, they are actually just fueling Jose's fire. He's always played on the siege mentality attitude and uses it perfectly.

 

[Bestietom]

They said that Chelsea were too defensive when they won the Premiership back to back and recorded the most goals scored, on the way. Some of these pundits make me want to switch off the telly.

 

[hn4manunited]

Like many of you, I can’t stand listening to some of these pundits. I am really selective these days on what I listen to. I mainly listen to the ones who have some credibility, i.e. Gary Neville, Ferdinand, Lampard, and to a good extent Carragher and Gerrard when they talk sense. At least they are current, relatable, and have played at the top in the recent years.

 

[Foxbatt]

I think I have sussed Jose's tactics. It looks like in every game that United does give a go for about 10 to 15 mins. Then they back off. It looks like he is going to see if we can get a goal in the first 10 to 15 minutes. If so the opposition plays into his hands as they have to open up and attack and that leaves them open to counter attack.
If we cannot score he shuts up shop and wait until they get tired and bring on either Rashford or Martial and win the game in the final quarter.

 

[moonunderthewater]

You write some horrible stuff, that's why.

Okay, that's fair enough. I'll write nicer stuff next time we play well. I'm just so out of tune with it, although the results are superb

 

[Ban]

Okay, that's fair enough. I'll write nicer stuff next time we play well. I'm just so out of tune with it, although the results are superb

I get that people want nicer football but it's not that bad imo nor was the spurs game that boring. Maybe I was a bit harsh with my post.

 

[mitchmouse]

Dude, if you are negative all the time, then perhaps football/MUFC is not the sport/team for you.
Supporting a team should have its ups and downs, but overall, should make you happy.
If you are always negative, why bother watching MUFC. Find another hobby. Watch movies. Play computer games. Do something that makes you happy and not feel so negative.

thanks for your life advice but I've been watching United for more than 50 years and don't need lectures on them

 

[mitchmouse]

Definitely better than being a moaner who sees everything in a very negative way. I won't bear such a life as football fan.

maybe you should actually read more of what's written rather than pulling out one tiny bit. on the othehr hand, you'd make a great Daily Mail columnist

 

[el3mel]

maybe you should actually read more of what's written rather than pulling out one tiny bit. on the othehr hand, you'd make a great Daily Mail columnist

Read plenty of them, still this negativity is unbearable for me as a football fan. I can criticize many things but having this negative view and moaning all the time will suck the joy of watching this sport over time.

I prefer to be always optimistic rather than looking at the empty half of the glass, better for my health at least.

 

[Android1974]

Well Valencia are second in the league, 4 points above Real Madrid and 4 behind Barcelona. Pereira has played in 9 of the 10 league games so he can't be doing bad. His goal and assist stats are not great but you shouldn't just judge players on goals and assists. Which seems to be all the rage these days.

He lost his starting place on the leftwing to Guedes, a PSG loan, and has been his replacement. Although he did start last game on the other wing and was the best player on the pitch.

 

[Android1974]

Forget last season, Valencia are sitting 2nd in the league this season, so obviously it will be difficult for him to start all the time. Especially when they know he is only a loanee so they aren't exactly obligated to play him all the time at the expense of their own players who are performing admirably this season.

Also forget hindsight, in Pereira's eyes he was never going to get played then we already had Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick in front of him in the pecking order. No one would ever expect to have 3 of the 5 centre mids injured at the same time. He obviously believed he would get much more game time at Valencia.

No one would ever expect? Go check his thread and you'll see people warning this loan would hurt us. A.Pereira is perhaps developing there, but he was needed here, that's what matters most. To be a sub in Valencia, better do it here.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

No one would ever expect? Go check his thread and you'll see people warning this loan would hurt us. A.Pereira is perhaps developing there, but he was needed here, that's what matters most. To be a sub in Valencia, better do it here.

But forgetting United's injuries he was always going to still get played much more at Valencia than here. In his eyes anyway. Next season with Carrick gone it makes him go up in the pecking order. To be fair though, we could have done with him to play on the right instead.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No one would ever expect? Go check his thread and you'll see people warning this loan would hurt us. A.Pereira is perhaps developing there, but he was needed here, that's what matters most. To be a sub in Valencia, better do it here.

Needed?! Hardly. Doubt he'd have started a single league game for United this season. And that's with long term injuries to Pog and Fellaini. Who would Mourinho have dropped to give Pereira games?