Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

I'm not someone who's head is in the sand when it comes to City however you have to admit in your two big games thus far circumstances have helped you out considerably

Mane's sending off v Liverpool
Morata's injury (and Conte's subsequent tactics) v Chelsea

I think Kane's absence at the weekend should not go unmentioned then?
 
You can't claim Kane and Aguero as major injuries when they could miss all of 3 games between them?
Also..Kompany. If anything its poor management to even rely on him.
 
You may experience fatigue later in the season though. You've barely rotated your CBs and your CMs except in the league cup. Every PL and CL game you play the same players exept for the front 3 where you are rotating 5 players. Now everything looks good but you will need the fringe players (Toure, Gundogan, Mangala, ec.) to step up at some point. And it is not clear whether they will be able to do it.

Toure is knackered certainly and Mangala low on confidence if not ability. But Gundogan is a star player who would improve nearly any side. I have literally zero concerns about that, so long as he stays fit, which admittedly is not a given.
 
I think Kane's absence at the weekend should not go unmentioned then?

By all means as long as you dont do what the media do and overlook the amount of players we were and are missing as well
 
By all means as long as you dont do what the media do and overlook the amount of players we were and are missing as well
Sure.

I just thought that the claim that we had been "lucky" in playing Liverpool without Mane for half the game etc, coming not 48 hours after you playing "The Harry Kane Team" without Harry Kane in it, was a bit rich.
 
Sure.

I just thought that the claim that we had been "lucky" in playing Liverpool without Mane for half the game etc, coming not 48 hours after you playing "The Harry Kane Team" without Harry Kane in it, was a bit rich.

It's not rich at all

Spurs not having Harry Kane is hardly the same as playing against 10 man Liverpool is it
Chelsea not having Morata is more comparable
 
Pep likes to play possession football but always pushing forward. It is when they lose the ball and are attacked, that they are troubled. Their defence has tightened up somewhat this season but they are still short. IMO. Take De Bruyne and Silva out of their side and they would look average, but same as we are missing Pogba and Fellaini now. Injuries will play a big part in who will be on top, at the end of the season.
 
Balague a terrible source in general but would not surprise me if indeed Pep will extend his initial 3 year deal to 4 with City
 
They have improved in all aspects since last season, defensively they look a lot more reliable. Compared to last season, they look much more of a team without relying so heavily on certain players to basically outscore the opposition. It will be interesting to see how they react a run of bad results and/or some injuries and suspensions.
I think anyone that finishes above City will win the PL.
 
Sane has developed under the radar and is currently key to City. He's now top of the goals/assists table (in the league) ahead of Lukaku, Aguero, Kane etc. As things go, he may well have a season comparable to Henry (99/00) and Ronaldo (06/07) when they both finished on 17 goals and 8 assists in the league.
 
Sane has developed under the radar and is currently key to City. He's now top of the goals/assists table (in the league) ahead of Lukaku, Aguero, Kane etc. As things go, he may well have a season comparable to Henry (99/00) and Ronaldo (06/07) when they both finished on 17 goals and 8 assists in the league.
He can easily go past that, even if his form dips for a while.
 
I think Kane's absence at the weekend should not go unmentioned then?

It's been mentioned a billion times. Most on here have admitted it made the game much easier for us (even though we were missing our best player too). That concept seems to be foreign to City, can't take anything away from their wins.
 
Sane has developed under the radar and is currently key to City. He's now top of the goals/assists table (in the league) ahead of Lukaku, Aguero, Kane etc. As things go, he may well have a season comparable to Henry (99/00) and Ronaldo (06/07) when they both finished on 17 goals and 8 assists in the league.
He also didn’t play at the start of the season because Pep said he didn’t arrive in good shape after summer. I have long said on here that people need to focus less on Jesus and more on Sane. He’s already producing week on week and he’s going to be outstanding.
 
Balague a terrible source in general but would not surprise me if indeed Pep will extend his initial 3 year deal to 4 with City
He would be silly to leave at the 3 year point because our main talent coming through is all relatively young. He’s essentially helped ship the deadwood and bring in youth that’s capable of playing aggressive and expansive football. He’ll also get support to add further young talent - already heavy links with Weigl next summer. To spend your 3 years reshaping the squad and developing them through the hardest part of the learning curve and let somebody else walk in and reap the benefits would be managerial suicide.
 
A big change from last season. They are playing with flair and scoring lots of goals and they have tightened up at the back. I would say that whoever finishes ahead of them will be Champions.
 
He would be silly to leave at the 3 year point because our main talent coming through is all relatively young. He’s essentially helped ship the deadwood and bring in youth that’s capable of playing aggressive and expansive football. He’ll also get support to add further young talent - already heavy links with Weigl next summer. To spend your 3 years reshaping the squad and developing them through the hardest part of the learning curve and let somebody else walk in and reap the benefits would be managerial suicide.

Managerial suicide? He is not the run of the mill coach, 3 & done is his approach but obviously can go 3+1. It will not extend beyond the one year as I imagine a NT beckons ahead
 
He would be silly to leave at the 3 year point because our main talent coming through is all relatively young. He’s essentially helped ship the deadwood and bring in youth that’s capable of playing aggressive and expansive football. He’ll also get support to add further young talent - already heavy links with Weigl next summer. To spend your 3 years reshaping the squad and developing them through the hardest part of the learning curve and let somebody else walk in and reap the benefits would be managerial suicide.

Would be very surprised if Pep extends, especially if you don't win the PL/CL this season. You also only have a short window with some of your players. If the likes of Sane, Jesus, turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs.
 
I think Kane's absence at the weekend should not go unmentioned then?
Playing against a 10 men and losing a player in the middle of a match is a total different scenario to a player getting injured even before the match.

And as for Kane's absence not getting mentioned, I do not know which universe you are living but it has been mentioned so much that even non footballing fans will know who Kane is.
 
City look sharp in attack but still suspect at the back. Both Ederson and Otamendi guilty of errors against West Brom. They can still easily be got at in the air.

Injuries and fitness will play a part too. Long way to go yet.
 
City look sharp in attack but still suspect at the back. Both Ederson and Otamendi guilty of errors against West Brom. They can still easily be got at in the air.

Injuries and fitness will play a part too. Long way to go yet.

Yeah, being physical and long ball will be the key to when we play City. As much we people won't want to read it, Fellaini and Lukaku are the key vs City imo.
 
Yeah, being physical and long ball will be the key to when we play City. As much we people won't want to read it, Fellaini and Lukaku are the key vs City imo.
Being physical won't help much as they have far superior technical players with swift movement. They move the ball fast and are more than capable of unlocking the sturdiest of defenses.
 
Being physical won't help much as they have far superior technical players with swift movement. They move the ball fast and are more than capable of unlocking the sturdiest of defenses.

Of course it will. Kevin De Bruyne might be great with the ball at his feet, but at a long ball forward he won't have a chance in the air against Fellaini.
 
Playing against a 10 men and losing a player in the middle of a match is a total different scenario to a player getting injured even before the match.

And as for Kane's absence not getting mentioned, I do not know which universe you are living but it has been mentioned so much that even non footballing fans will know who Kane is.
Also they fail to acknowledge the fact that we were missing 3 first team players and an impact sub in Fellaini.
 
Also they fail to acknowledge the fact that we were missing 3 first team players and an impact sub in Fellaini.
Isn't that funny how whenever they talk about money spent they never fail to mention Pogba but now he has been injured for more than a month, how many times have the media or rival fans mention that.
 
Isn't that funny how whenever they talk about money spent they never fail to mention Pogba but now he has been injured for more than a month, how many times have the media or rival fans mention that.
Yeah, in fact I'm hearing how Pogba's having "another" poor season :lol: and he's only played about 5 games and has a goal and/or assist every game and has been class.
 
City look sharp in attack but still suspect at the back. Both Ederson and Otamendi guilty of errors against West Brom. They can still easily be got at in the air.

Injuries and fitness will play a part too. Long way to go yet.

They are lucky at the moment to be fit in form and 100% flying. But that is impossible to sustain over 9 months and 60 matches. Let's see how they cope when operating at 75%.

At some point, they will have serious injury problems at centre back and that's when many teams will really hurt them. Likewise, they will also struggle when DeBryne has his 5 match lull or injury.
 
They might play incredible football, but they don't half look a state when then travel.

Denim shirts with a black tie and bomber jacket. Have a word.
 
They are lucky at the moment to be fit in form and 100% flying. But that is impossible to sustain over 9 months and 60 matches. Let's see how they cope when operating at 75%.

At some point, they will have serious injury problems at centre back and that's when many teams will really hurt them. Likewise, they will also struggle when DeBryne has his 5 match lull or injury.

Kompany will return to fitness in the next week or so according to Pep and will relieve some of the strain off Stones and Otamendi. Even if he gives City 15-20 odd games this season he will add considerable strength in depth given his quality.

Take De Bryune out of City's team and you can replace him with Gundogan who is one of the best number 8's in the league and yet to really get much game time this season, gradually being eased in after his injury. Then you have fringe players like Yaya who can also fill in at the CM role that he plays. There's plenty of depth to cover for his absence - even without mentioning B.Silva who is more than capable of filling in, despite playing in a more attacking role so far. They might not be on the same level as KDB, but they're certainly not a massive step down.
 
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Despite city being more impressive this season.. everybody was saying the same things after 7 games last year and look how that panned out.

Come January we will know how good they really are and the fact that they’ve been ‘amazing’ and we’re only 5 points off with the injuries we’ve had I’d say we’re doing pretty well too.
 
I strongly believe KDB is their brain. Will be very interesting to see how they perform if he's out for longer than 3-4 games.
 
Would be very surprised if Pep extends, especially if you don't win the PL/CL this season. You also only have a short window with some of your players. If the likes of Sane, Jesus, turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs.
Well, it won't be easy to prize off players from a Man City to say the least.
 
Would be very surprised if Pep extends, especially if you don't win the PL/CL this season. You also only have a short window with some of your players. If the likes of Sane, Jesus, turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs.
Would love to know what you're basing this on considering you could have said exactly the same thing about Kompany, Silva and Aguero back in 2012.
 
Would be very surprised if Pep extends, especially if you don't win the PL/CL this season. You also only have a short window with some of your players. If the likes of Sane, Jesus, turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs.
Nah. These guys are mercs, it's all about the £££ and city have a bottomless pit.
 
I strongly believe KDB is their brain. Will be very interesting to see how they perform if he's out for longer than 3-4 games.
I agree. And he is susceptible to do that every season, so let's see if Pep manages him in a certain manner, or lets things run their course.

Without KdB, though, this Man City midfield might have some issues connecting attack and defence.
 
Despite city being more impressive this season.. everybody was saying the same things after 7 games last year and look how that panned out.

Come January we will know how good they really are and the fact that they’ve been ‘amazing’ and we’re only 5 points off with the injuries we’ve had I’d say we’re doing pretty well too.
You say this like we haven't lost Kompany, Mendy and Aguero to injuries this season and haven't been playing Fabian Delph at left-back.
 
Would be very surprised if Pep extends, especially if you don't win the PL/CL this season. You also only have a short window with some of your players. If the likes of Sane, Jesus, turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs.
Dept doing his fantasy talk again.

I think I've heard enough comments over the past 5 years of 'if the likes of Aguero, Silva etc turn out to be top players they are going to want to join bigger clubs'.

Still , as long as youre happy with fantasy.

As for Pep, who knows, but judging from the rest of the talent who seem to have decided to stay at 'citeh'...
 
Being physical won't help much as they have far superior technical players with swift movement. They move the ball fast and are more than capable of unlocking the sturdiest of defenses.

They will have serious difficulty making a dent in our defence. They will also struggle badly against Pogba, Lukaku, Fellaini & Ibra. The majority of this City team are mentally & physically weak. When thing's don't go their way then heads will drop. I expect this match to be much like the 4 - 2 Derby under LVG. City will start brightly but we will start to dominate them physically & eventually over power them.


Would love to know what you're basing this on considering you could have said exactly the same thing about Kompany, Silva and Aguero back in 2012.

Barca & Real didn't need players from you as they already had better ones. Ronaldo, Messi, Bale & Suarez are all near the end of their careers now though.
 
They will have serious difficulty making a dent in our defence. They will also struggle badly against Pogba, Lukaku, Fellaini & Ibra. The majority of this City team are mentally & physically weak. When thing's don't go their way then heads will drop. I expect this match to be much like the 4 - 2 Derby under LVG. City will start brightly but we will start to dominate them physically & eventually over power them.

Barca & Real didn't need players from you as they already had better ones. Ronaldo, Messi, Bale & Suarez are all near the end of their careers now though.

Actually Aguero was Barca's first choice ahead of Suarez...
 
They will have serious difficulty making a dent in our defence.
On what basis of fact?

They will also struggle badly against Pogba, Lukaku, Fellaini & Ibra.
Again just hope not fact.

The majority of this City team are mentally & physically weak. When thing's don't go their way then heads will drop.
Yeah so weak, they almost beat Everton with 10 men, came back against Bournemouth, beat Chelsea after star striker had a car crash, beat a resolute Burnley, beat a determined wolves on penalties.

I expect this match to be much like the 4 - 2 Derby under LVG. City will start brightly but we will start to dominate them physically & eventually over power them.
Perhaps you should read the factual analysis on the BBC about height having no effect whatsoever, or just stick with your flights of fantasy.