Agüero scored two goals vs Pep's Bayern in CL match.
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Apparently Pep didn't want to play him at first because he was a bottler. Pep must of worked wonders with him, completely changing an established player in under a year.
Miracle worker.
He's a world class manager, but the lengths some of his followers go to to credit him continues to baffle me
He actually got a hat-trick in that match.
Give credit where it's due and nowhere else. Aguero has never been a bottler.
In league games, that's true. In the CL (direct elimination stages up to this point in his career) though, that might be another story. And a much stronger argument can be made about him being a bottler for the Argentine NT (thogh the same goes for many other Argentine players).
Aguero has never struck me as a bottler.
If only he was, we'd have one more league title, with them having one less.
Having a bad game = bottling according to some.
Precisely and he's not even being called up for the NT anymore either. I think I saw a stat about his performances against the top 6 and he has a very good record but we're not talking about cup defining moments or in knockout competitions - something he has never stood out for. This coming from someone who really appreciates his game but after all those moments he failed to deliver last season, it's absolutely the reason why Jesus is so vital for Pep and why the Alexis pursuit even came about
I think this post answers the bottler claim. Fair play to you.
If Sergio decides to stay a bit longer i think 250+ goals is easily within reach.
He is terrible for their national team and is rightfully not called up. His first instinct is to shoot from stupid angles without checking the situation. So many times he had the opportunity to play a teammate in a better scoring position but he either tries to bulldoze his way through a block or just shoots from an improbable angle.
He is still not doing what Guardiola wants but Pep is compromising. The team looks much better and fluid when Jesus plays because he does exactly what Pep wants. He moves into the channels, drops deep to create numerical superiroities in the right moments, always blocks the passing lanes of the opposition centre back and forces them to pass wide a lot of the time.
He is not on the level of the very elite strikers such as Lewandowski, Suarez have been over the years. Only people in the premier league keep lauding him trying to put him on a level he simply is not. It's this constant need the league needs for validation because they had no supposed world class stars, whatever that means.
He can be effective if he is just asked to work close to the box and not do anything else but that isn't enough anymore.
I've had people try and tell me he is a better footballer than Henry and I just had to laugh. Henry at his best was one of the world. Aguero has never been close to that level in his career.
And after all that he still puts the ball in the back of the net faster than anyone else here. Aguero was absolutely a world class striker, and has been for a long time. You can point to Jesus now but Aguero is 29 and doesn’t quite offer the same explosiveness he once did, but at the top of his game he was exceptional, absolutely in that top bracket, and even now he’s still very effective, but probably a bracket below these days.
Absolutely, boggles the mind really. Particularly for those who recall how many in the same base of fans rubbished the player when he arrived from the Primera, from one polar extreme to the other in no time
And the thing, people think this is rubbishing the player - far from it but he is also far from the very best strikers to have played the game
Aguero bottler? He is one of the most reliable strikers around.
Pep having to compromise with a striker like Aguero and still manages to make do. Is there any limit to this man's power?
Some people on here create their own reality that they live in, very curious.
What an unfortunate situation, having such a dire player as an option. Kudos to Pep for compromising to such an average baller.
Pep has improved Aguero no doubt but even his goal record for Argentina isn't that bad. 34 goals in 82 appearances for a national side who struggle despite their talents. Higuain has 31 in 68, Messi 61 in 122, Tevez 13 in 76, Icardi 1 in 4, Dybala has yet to score in 10 appearances.
The best strike rate of any of those is Messi with 1 in 2 games, Aguero's is poorish but alot of his appearances were as a sub in comparison to Higuain. Those are the returns from the GoaT and 4 other so called world class forwards and would suggest Argentina's problems run a lot deeper than 1 or 2 players being a bottler.
Aguero won't go down as the best striker in premier league history but he will more than likely set a goals per minute record that will never be beaten or will at least stand for a long time which he would have done with or without Pep.
The best strike rate of any of those is Messi with 1 in 2 games, Aguero's is poorish but alot of his appearances were as a sub in comparison to Higuain. Those are the returns from the GoaT and 4 other so called world class forwards and would suggest Argentina's problems run a lot deeper than 1 or 2 players being a bottler.
Aguero won't go down as the best striker in premier league history but he will more than likely set a goals per minute record that will never be beaten or will at least stand for a long time which he would have done with or without Pep.
i don't understand why it would be a devaluating argument to the class of a player when either:
- other players are more all round than him
- other players fit the prefered strategy of the manager better
I think the latter speaks for itself. In regards to the former it's just a matter of "all roundness VS speciality". Certaintly all round players are very important in football but so are the specialty players. Aguerro's cat like movement and agility are of such an expectional degree imho that it allows him to be so effective for city even if he would be less all round than Jesus.
Hahaha I absolutely love the biased opinions in these threads. keep it up sir!
Just give the title to them.
We'll do remarkably well to finish ahead of this City side.
We are crap, but these arabs have robbed us today. Can't wait until they go bankrupt. Useless club.
Bankrupt and arabs don't fit well in a sentence I believe.
They are good, blabla bla but how many points they got this year woth refs help? feck that
They’re a different class, a level above every other side in the EPL.
So strong in all areas of the pitch and in the final 3rd look unstoppable.
So strong in all areas of the pitch and in the final 3rd look unstoppable.
Agree.
But they'd be the first team to score 200 goals, get 37 wins and win the league undefeated next year.
Got all the referees on their side as well which always helps.
Arabs have the money.
Strange time to praise them, they looked leggy today.
If they played like they did today against us or Spurs I'd definitely fancy us to get a result. Arsenal just did an Arsenal.
Even if we do somehow beat them this season, I feel like they'd be more consistent against the lower sides than us.
Wish they'd hurry up and lose though. Feck having this lot becoming the next invincibles.
Wish they'd hurry up and lose though. Feck having this lot becoming the next invincibles.
Just fund an investigation into the Abu Dhabi group. They kill 1000s of workers every year via their poor working conditions and hours. I am sure other dirt can be found on them. Unlimited money means success. You have to cut the money off from the source.
Deserve the win but were much better in the first half. Absolutely dominated Arsenal for most of the half and should have been up more than one. Got lucky in the second half with their goals though (although I do think it was a pen there was a soft call on Silva in the buildup).
Yes, they have bought the referees. In exactly the same jealousy-flavoured way SAF used to buy refereees for years.
What other board/chairman gives you an unlimited budget and free reign to make up for your poor buys (Bravo, Nolito) by just buying more to replace them ASAP?
Guardiola is a good manager only when he has a team that is streets above the rest in terms of quality, and City's unlimited budget is his saviour. If City weren't playing this way, it would be a surprise.
You are not aware how Dubai nearly went bankrupt and got bailed out by Abu Dhabi? Or how the Ras Al-Khaimah, Ajman, Umm-Al Quwain sheikhs are just average rich guys? Arabs can go bankrupt too.
Deserved? How deserved? Soft penalty and goal from offside. How is that deserved?
Come off it, another dominant performance and a deserved 3 points.
I think this is beyond Fifa
Only spurs and us away can stop that from happening. Otherwise it is nailed on.