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Despite all the sabre-rattling from the increasingly desperate remainers, government majorities on all Brexit votes in Parliament.
 
I'm sure Asia would provide those parts if things cannot be amicably worked out with the EU.

Upholding a just-in-time based supply chain via cargo ships from Asia? :lol:

From which supplier within which trade agreement? I'm pretty sure if sourcing it from Asia would be the better alternative folks at HONDA would be doing so...

Legal issues are the least part of the story here. Sourcing from Asia would mean manufacturers would have to invest in those large storage facilities they got rid off due to just-in-time again. And with the investment on these facilities an according advance investment into actual stocks would have to be made, too. This would drive up manufacturing costs in the UK significantly just by itself, without even factoring in the tariff issue.

Simpler to move the factory to the EU, no tariffs or delays - get the drift

What he said.
 
Sorry but can you clarify? Who are the foreign citizens that can vote and to which election?
Any UK resident with UK address (including immigrants) can vote. It is not just British citizens, although they can vote from abroad.
 
Any UK resident with UK address (including immigrants) can vote. It is not just British citizens, although they can vote from abroad.

No they can't, my French wife lived in the UK for 32 years and couldn't vote. The EU citizens in the UK couldn't vote in the referendum and the British citizens who had lived abroad more than 15 years couldn't vote either. I'm sure there are even more instances than that.

Edit: These are the people who are eligible to vote and in which elections:

https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/can-i-vote/which-elections-can-i-vote-in
 
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It's plenty doable. I work in Automotive manufacturing, we probably source 75% of our parts from China.

If you import from China there will be tariffs and customs inspections which is what Honda wants to avoid nevermind the warehouse stocking and unknown delays of shipping times which are very long.
If you're operating a small business you may be able to do it, not for a just-in-time operation.
 
No they can't, my French wife lived in the UK for 32 years and couldn't vote. The EU citizens in the UK couldn't vote in the referendum and the British citizens who had lived abroad more than 15 years couldn't vote either. I'm sure there are even more instances than that.

Edit: These are the people who are eligible to vote and in which elections:

https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/can-i-vote/which-elections-can-i-vote-in
My error; thought they were referring to general elections.
 
Any UK resident with UK address (including immigrants) can vote. It is not just British citizens, although they can vote from abroad.
Only commonwealth citizens. For eg. Americans cant vote and neither can EU nationals.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-of-consequences-of-leaving-eu-customs-union




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:lol:Bit over the top, but made me laugh.
 
And how do you make that happen with 1hr-stock levels?

Do you really believe Honda have 1hour stock levels? They don't. JLR don't, VW don't, Ford don't, Magna don't, Draexlmaier don't.

If you import from China there will be tariffs and customs inspections which is what Honda wants to avoid nevermind the warehouse stocking and unknown delays of shipping times which are very long.
If you're operating a small business you may be able to do it, not for a just-in-time operation.

Nonsense, everyone imports from China/Thailand/etc (Asia). We're a 4bn euro company so I wouldn't class us as small.

We buy components from China, we ship finished product to China. I don't know the details regarding tariffs as it's not my department but it's obviously sustainable.
 
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Oh for a crystal ball. On the YouGov website, Chris Curtis wrote a piece based on the most recent polls, including the dateset above. It shows a majority (of all voters) seeing Brexit as a bad idea. 16 months out from the referendum, a record high of 47% thought Britain was wrong to vote leave the EU, and a record low of 42% still approve. But that is not the same as saying they want to reverse the decision. The polls also show an impressive 52% majority saying that having embarked on this, after a referendum, it should be seen through. But interestingly, the trend between June and September is that voter conviction regarding the merits of Brexit (and 'going ahead')is weakening steadily. He doesn't put it that way, but the implication is clear; were this trend to be maintained, Brexit is doomed.

As we get further and further away from the referendum itself more people might start to think it is legitimate to try to stop Brexit, and eventually there could be a majority that want to stop Brexit.

But for the moment the public still believe that Brexit means Brexit.


Chris Curtis

A poster called Litigation Magnet replied. They are all fired up on a TM conspiracy theory, based on May's reluctance to publish financial reports on the impact of leaving the EU. This epic shows Theresa May in a double bluff worthy of Le Carre, risking her political life to Take One for the (Remain) Team.

She may want to build up a huge demand to see (the 58 Brexit impact assessments) simply because they are negative. After all it is David Davis who is the patsy for negotiations failing. Theresa May has the power to withdraw the article 50 notice - whatever Brexiteers may say. True she would be fired, but it would still be withdrawn and they'd have to start again. An election would be a certainty. The more pressure she can create the safer she is. If she wants to stay in the EU she needs another referendum, but would have to be sure of a remain vote. So creating distrust and suspicion that it will be really, really bad will play to that. Especially if she has to disclose the reports after a court order, perhaps after the December meeting goes bad. Especially if they are predicting catastrophe. By then the Universal Credit crunch will have crushed the white van men who voted Leave; they'll blame Brexit and the Tories. The nearer to the deadline Theresa May gets, the more power she has by controlling the option to withdraw the article 50 notice.

I don't think they'll get a deal they can get through Parliament and there will be another referendum after she has indeed withdrawn the article 50 notice.

The writer does not predict the outcome of the second referendum, only that this model of events holds the potential to avert catastrophe. Is this the shadow of the future coming at us out of the fog, or a mirage, nothing more than a drowning Remainer fantasy?
 
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Do you really believe Honda have 1hour stock levels? They don't. JLR don't, VW don't, Ford don't, Magna don't, Draexlmaier don't.

Yes, I really do believe their stock levels to be in the regions they have stated. I worked about 17yrs for a big Automotive company which has/had plants in Luton and Ellesmere Port, and these facilities indeed only ever had production material for a few hours in advance. It's called just-in-time for a reason.

Nonsense, everyone imports from China/Thailand/etc (Asia). We're a 4bn euro company so I wouldn't class us as small.

As you are obviously working for a parts supplier, you import basic, relatively inexpensive components, to turn them into more complex bigger components. An actual manufacturer of cars uses your "finished products" as components.
A lot of these parts are highly specialized and made by few manufacturers. You can't just go and buy a 7speed-semi-automatic transmission like knock-off Lacoste-Shirts in China, for example.
So yeah, apart from the issues that concern timely transport and tariffs, there's the additional matter of getting the things you need elsewhere on short notice.

We buy components from China, we ship finished product to China. I don't know the details regarding tariffs as it's not my department but it's obviously sustainable.

The big advantage of doing business under the umbrella of the EU...
 
Do you really believe Honda have 1hour stock levels? They don't. JLR don't, VW don't, Ford don't, Magna don't, Draexlmaier don't.



Nonsense, everyone imports from China/Thailand/etc (Asia). We're a 4bn euro company so I wouldn't class us as small.

We buy components from China, we ship finished product to China. I don't know the details regarding tariffs as it's not my department but it's obviously sustainable.

If you're a £4bn company you have the same turnover as Honda so you would be a big company. The big car manufacturing companies operate on a just-in-time scenario so they don't have warehouses full of stocks of parts.
They are all saying the same thing, they are all worried about their supply chain - they're not saying that for no reason.
Assume you are supplying parts to many different manufacturers.

Of course companies are currently shipping to and from Asia and elsewhere in the world. However, changing from a smooth tariff free, VAT free, customs checkfree environment with the EU would cause a massive change in life for companies that trade outside of the UK, no matter what business they are in.
These companies obviously understand the problems they would face - they're not going to sit back and hope that May gets her cake and eat it strategy agreed with the EU.
Big decisions will be made early in 2018.

Would love to know what she told Nissan.
 
Would love to know what she told Nissan


Theresa said "relax, we're going to 'get our cake and eat it', at the last minute I will bung the EU £60B maybe if necessary up to £80B (spread over ten years its still less per annum than we would pay in subs) we will leave the EU but trade will continue on the same terms (more or less as we have as a member). Its a very expensive piece of cake, but I will have carried through the referendum result, which is what I was elected to do... one point though, in future you will have to deal with someone else as PM because I'll be off walking in Switzerland with my hubby!"

(Sorry Paul, couldn't resist it;))
 
If you're a £4bn company you have the same turnover as Honda so you would be a big company. The big car manufacturing companies operate on a just-in-time scenario so they don't have warehouses full of stocks of parts.
They are all saying the same thing, they are all worried about their supply chain - they're not saying that for no reason.
Assume you are supplying parts to many different manufacturers.

Of course companies are currently shipping to and from Asia and elsewhere in the world. However, changing from a smooth tariff free, VAT free, customs checkfree environment with the EU would cause a massive change in life for companies that trade outside of the UK, no matter what business they are in.
These companies obviously understand the problems they would face - they're not going to sit back and hope that May gets her cake and eat it strategy agreed with the EU.
Big decisions will be made early in 2018.

Would love to know what she told Nissan.

I think one of the car companies worked out that it would cost about £1500 per car to go to WTO rules (and they sell like 90% of their output to Europe)... assuming 10% uk then thats an average of around 1,350 per car and i believe nissan produce circa 500K cars a year in the Uk so its about £675m extra costs

that said the fall in the £ will have gone a long way to offset that cost (if they source parts locally - and make it workse if they are sourcing abroad but certainly a large overhead chunk will be in £)

I don't think the government will have much room to give them a tax break to offset as they structure their business to pay relatively little UK (corporation) tax.

I suspect she just said - look we are fecked and the economy is gonna tank - but on the plus side we will cut taxes even further and people will be so scared of loosing their jobs you will be able to treat them like shit... plus dont worry too much about those European working standards you have to adhere to as we will be taking an axe to them in no time... and when the £ plumets think how good that will be for your exports!
 
Theresa said "relax, we're going to 'get our cake and eat it', at the last minute I will bung the EU £60B maybe if necessary up to £80B (spread over ten years its still less per annum than we would pay in subs) we will leave the EU but trade will continue on the same terms (more or less as we have as a member). Its a very expensive piece of cake, but I will have carried through the referendum result, which is what I was elected to do... one point though, in future you will have to deal with someone else as PM because I'll be off walking in Switzerland with my hubby!"

(Sorry Paul, couldn't resist it;))

Strangely enough - I don't disagree with you that much on this - at the end of the day I believe the UK will leave in name only - the alternative would be too disastrous - but it may cost a bit more but at least the Tories can say they granted "the wish of the people" - and caused about 5 years of uncertainty and for what - no say, the exact opposite of the whole purpose.
 
I think one of the car companies worked out that it would cost about £1500 per car to go to WTO rules (and they sell like 90% of their output to Europe)... assuming 10% uk then thats an average of around 1,350 per car and i believe nissan produce circa 500K cars a year in the Uk so its about £675m extra costs

that said the fall in the £ will have gone a long way to offset that cost (if they source parts locally - and make it workse if they are sourcing abroad but certainly a large overhead chunk will be in £)

I don't think the government will have much room to give them a tax break to offset as they structure their business to pay relatively little UK (corporation) tax.

I suspect she just said - look we are fecked and the economy is gonna tank - but on the plus side we will cut taxes even further and people will be so scared of loosing their jobs you will be able to treat them like shit... plus dont worry too much about those European working standards you have to adhere to as we will be taking an axe to them in no time... and when the £ plumets think how good that will be for your exports!

If it came to leaving on a no deal basis - the government will need more taxes than ever so can't see them being in a position to offer lower taxes, would expect the opposite, that'll please a lot of people.
 
If it came to leaving on a no deal basis - the government will need more taxes than ever so can't see them being in a position to offer lower taxes, would expect the opposite, that'll please a lot of people.
Isn't this one of the puzzles of how they can be tempted to stay ? By lowering taxes. As a consequence, the NHS, education, the armed forces, welfare etc will have to be reduced. Low taxes = small state government - isn't that the theory ?
 
If we left with no deal we'd need to slash taxes in order to make ourselves look attractive to foreign investment. It'd be a fecking disaster for public services but I wouldn't expect this government to act any differently. We wouldn't just be able to get away with showing some leg to the Chinese, we'll have to hitch our skirt up, bend over and tattoo a discount offer on our arse cheeks.

A close-to-zero-tax economy is what the right wing ideologues like John Redwood - the people apparently on the side of 'the people' have been calling for all these years. Almost sickening to see the Tory wet-dream being sold as populism.
 
If it came to leaving on a no deal basis - the government will need more taxes than ever so can't see them being in a position to offer lower taxes, would expect the opposite, that'll please a lot of people.
Quite the opposite... I could see them slashing corporation tax to keep people here and try and attract more hq's and this overall tax take... bit like they claim 45% tax collects more than 50% as less people bother to avoid it
 
Isn't this one of the puzzles of how they can be tempted to stay ? By lowering taxes. As a consequence, the NHS, education, the armed forces, welfare etc will have to be reduced. Low taxes = small state government - isn't that the theory ?

The vital services seem close to breaking point now so any reduction in taxes will be disastrous. They need to be increased but I doubt Hammond will announce any tax increases in his budget.
How to win votes: reduce taxes and demonise the EU. People lap it up until reality smacks them hard in the face but they'll always be someone else to blame.
 
Quite the opposite... I could see them slashing corporation tax to keep people here and try and attract more hq's and this overall tax take... bit like they claim 45% tax collects more than 50% as less people bother to avoid it

Yes I can see them doing it but the real world will catch up with them eventually as per above.
 
Looks like government have backtracked on the 'leave date' issue already.

 
Prominent wildlife photographer Richard Bowler says the government’s vote to reject the inclusion of animal sentience in the European Union Withdrawal Bill is a vote to say animals can no longer feel pain or emotions.

The move to reject sentience in the bill has been largely under-reported in the mainstream media despite Michael Gove facing criticism over his high animal welfare pledge.

Eighty per cent of current animal welfare legislation comes from the EU, but after March 2019, European law will no longer apply in the UK.


While most EU law relating to animals will be automatically brought over into UK law, this will not apply to the recognition of sentience.

Under EU law, animals are currently recognised as being capable of feeling pain and emotion. But MPs have this week voted to drop the inclusion of animal sentience into the Withdrawal Bill.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/government-votes-animals-cant-feel-pain-emotions/17/11/
 
Allies of the Exiting the European Union secretary said they were concerned he is not being included by civil servants in key talks about Britain’s negotiations about leaving the European Union.

One source said that Mr Davis had not been shown a key Brexit Cabinet paper sent by Boris Johnson, the Foreign secretary, and Michael Gove, to the Prime Minister.

The fear is that Mr Davis might resign in protest – in the same way that he suddenly quit as shadow home secretary from David Cameron’s front bench team in 2008.