Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

[amolbhatia50k]

Their £45m (and only) left back doing his ACL?

Their only left back? Who has been playing in that position then?

I take your point that not everything has gone their way, but that's like Ibra or Rojo being out for us. They can deal with it. In terms of players it's De Bruyne or a key attacker who you'd put on the same level of importance as Pogba. And then it's the actual matches where while they've absolutely incredible but got important little breaks that have contributed big time to having such an excellent point tally and lead over us. I mean, they'd still be ahead of us either way because they've progressed more than we have. However, it wouldn't have been as perfect as it has. That challenge of Kompany's should have resulted in a red card. It was away from home too. That annoys more than their great football.

 

[Thunderhead]

It's a bummer 3 of their players yesterday were one yellow away from suspension and none of them will miss the derby while Pogba sees a straight red dished out. Luck is favouring them this season, but tbf they have been brave and adventurous with their football I guess.

nothing to do with luck when 2 were on the bench and only one of them came off for 10 mins and the other one is a winger who didn't put in a tackle all game.

 

[Thunderhead]

Their only left back? Who has been playing in that position then?

Delph

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Delph

Exactly.

 

[el magico]

Their only left back? Who has been playing in that position then?

I take your point that not everything has gone their way, but that's like Ibra or Rojo being out for us. They can deal with it. In terms of players it's De Bruyne or a key attacker who you'd put on the same level of importance as Pogba. And then it's the actual matches where while they've absolutely incredible but got important little breaks that have contributed big time to having such an excellent point tally and lead over us. I mean, they'd still be ahead of us either way because they've progressed more than we have. However, it wouldn't have been as perfect as it has. That challenge of Kompany's should have resulted in a red card. It was away from home too. That annoys more than their great football.

I'm happy to accept that the Kompany decision had an element of good fortune in it. However, I think the proximity of Stones did influence the referee and it could be argued that the decision was understandable, it does, after all, come down to the referee's interpretation. Who knows what would have happened had City gone down to ten men.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'm happy to accept that the Kompany decision had an element of good fortune in it. However, I think the proximity of Stones did influence the referee and it could be argued that the decision was understandable, it does, after all, come down to the referee's interpretation. Who knows what would have happened had City gone down to ten men.

You'd have found it harder to win is what would have happened. That was an easy red card. The ref bottled the decision. Losing your captain who was looking downright rubbish early in the game would have been a big blow. I know you're better than us right now but stuff like that is I wish didn't happen. It's like us getting a wrong penalty in our favour in the Huddlesfield game. I'd have frickin loved that happening. These things do matter. Like I said, you'd likely still be ahead but maybe by not as much.

Anyway, it is what is.

 

[JB08]

Exactly.

I mean, he's obviously a midfielder by trade. So Mendy is their only natural left back.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I mean, he's obviously a midfielder by trade. So Mendy is their only natural left back.

Yeah but he's done a good job there so he's effectively a replacement for them. Like Young has slotted in well at LB. Big squads have good players who can step in. It's those hugely infuential players that every club will struggle replacing.

 

[JB08]

Yeah but he's done a good job there so he's effectively a replacement for them. Like Young has slotted in well at LB. Big squads have good players who can step in. It's those hugely infuential players that every club will struggle replacing.

Please. You can't seriously claim Mendy getting injured isn't something major 'going against them'? Regardless of how well his replacement has faired.

 

[KM]

I mean, he's obviously a midfielder by trade. So Mendy is their only natural left back.

Danilo can play at that position too.

 

[JB08]

Danilo can play at that position too.

How many times has he played there in the last 2/3 years? All down to personal opinions but in my opinion, Mendy is Man City's only true left-back. Players like Danilo and Delph will fill in there.

My original argument still stands, Mendy doing his ACL is a major blow on paper to City. They have responded to it well.

 

[KM]

How many times has he played there in the last 2/3 years? All down to personal opinions but in my opinion, Mendy is Man City's only true left-back. Players like Danilo and Delph will fill in there.

My original argument still stands, Mendy doing his ACL is a major blow on paper to City. They have responded to it well.

Ofcourse it's a blow but they've options here.

As per to your early question. He has played it nine times in the last three years(67 appearances).

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Awww, diddums.

I seem to remember a Manchester derby back in 2009 where a certain team scored a winning goal in added on added time. I bet you weren’t complaining then and I bet you weren’t skriking about being lucky either.

Great post mate, keep it up.
Nice avoidance of the 2 questions I asked too. I suppose I shouldn’t expect any better from a blinkered City fan.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Please. You can't seriously claim Mendy getting injured isn't something major 'going against them'? Regardless of how well his replacement has faired.

No team has zero injuries. Had they had none that would have gone for them too.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

They're not going to keep this same momentum for the rest of the year, especially if they want to do well in the Cups & CL too? They simply don't have the depth for it, so something will make way.

And I don't think a PL win and no improvement in CL will be considered a success for Pep.

They can keep someone like Bernardo Silva on the bench, tbh. Maybe they are just a bit short at the back.

 

[BluesJr]

They can keep someone like Bernardo Silva on the bench, tbh. Maybe they are just a bit short at the back.

To be fair, he's looked pretty average so I'm not sure that really counts. He's not really had a chance to adapt yet though, he's quality but remains to be seen if he can do it here.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

To be fair, he's looked pretty average so I'm not sure that really counts. He's not really had a chance to adapt yet though, he's quality but remains to be seen if he can do it here.

Exactly. Give him a chance first, then judge him.

 

[Womp]

Mendy getting injured is unfortunate, they had to replace him with a makeshift midfielder. The funny part is our best lb is a makeshift midfielder.

 

[Bubz27]

You'd have found it harder to win is what would have happened. That was an easy red card. The ref bottled the decision. Losing your captain who was looking downright rubbish early in the game would have been a big blow. I know you're better than us right now but stuff like that is I wish didn't happen. It's like us getting a wrong penalty in our favour in the Huddlesfield game. I'd have frickin loved that happening. These things do matter. Like I said, you'd likely still be ahead but maybe by not as much.

Anyway, it is what is.

We should've got a penalty in that Huddersfield game. Herrera was felled in the box. Nothing was made of it and it's not as if we deserved anything from the game. But it still likely would've got us a draw, and maybe even a win and the gap would be 5 or 6 points instead.

Small margins, but generally they even out over a season. Whoever ends up winning the league, likely deserves it.

 

[Womp]

You'd have found it harder to win is what would have happened. That was an easy red card. The ref bottled the decision. Losing your captain who was looking downright rubbish early in the game would have been a big blow. I know you're better than us right now but stuff like that is I wish didn't happen. It's like us getting a wrong penalty in our favour in the Huddlesfield game. I'd have frickin loved that happening. These things do matter. Like I said, you'd likely still be ahead but maybe by not as much.

Anyway, it is what is.

We usually don't agree but I completely agree with you on this topic. They've had a lot of little lucky breaks throughout the season that have turned things in their favour. They've played some against the big teams without some of their best players (or without even 11 players on the pitch), No Morata at Chelsea, the same Morata that was the difference when playing against us with a wondergoal, as an example. The Bernardo Silva dive for the penalty being given. The extra, extra time etc.

They deserve to be where they are, but they've had a lot of things go in their favour. Meanwhile we've played against Chelsea, Spurs, Tottenham and now City without either our best player, our best defence or both. Their most influential players have avoided injuries.

 

[JASR]

They've had a lot of little lucky breaks throughout the season that have turned things in their favour. They've played some against the big teams without some of their best players (or without even 11 players on the pitch), No Morata at Chelsea, the same Morata that was the difference when playing against us with a wondergoal, as an example. The Bernardo Silva dive for the penalty being given. The extra, extra time etc.

They deserve to be where they are, but they've had a lot of things go in their favour. Meanwhile we've played against Chelsea, Spurs, Tottenham and now City without either our best player, our best defence or both. Their most influential players have avoided injuries.

City vs Chelsea - no aguero

United vs Spurs - no kane in the ‘harry kane’ team.
United vs Tottenham - err , see above.

B Silva’s foot was trapped - penalty. Making a meal of it - should of been a yellow.

The goal in ‘extra extra’ time was on 96.05, 5mins of signalled extra time, then with additional injury time and substitutions.

Injured (at some point) influential players - mendy, stones, aguero, Kompany, Gundogan.

So.. mendy and stones out - not our best defence for the derby either.

I haven’t analysed the minutiae of uniteds games this season so I can’t really comment on their ‘luck’ quality and quantity in comparison to City’s.

 

[VanGaalEra]

City vs Chelsea - no aguero

United vs Spurs - no kane in the ‘harry kane’ team.
United vs Tottenham - err , see above.

B Silva’s foot was trapped - penalty. Making a meal of it - should of been a yellow.

The goal in ‘extra extra’ time was on 96.05, 5mins of signalled extra time, then with additional injury time and substitutions.

Injured (at some point) influential players - mendy, stones, aguero, Kompany, Gundogan.

So.. mendy and stones out - not our best defence for the derby either.

I haven’t analysed the minutiae of uniteds games this season so I can’t really comment on their ‘luck’ quality and quantity in comparison to City’s.

Mate what was that website you used to show results against teams in the top 10. It was an image you posted of United and games played against top 10 sides.

 

[peridigm]

How many games has Delph been suspended for?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We should've got a penalty in that Huddersfield game. Herrera was felled in the box. Nothing was made of it and it's not as if we deserved anything from the game. But it still likely would've got us a draw, and maybe even a win and the gap would be 5 or 6 points instead.

Small margins, but generally they even out over a season. Whoever ends up winning the league, likely deserves it.

I don't disagree with that. I don't think we would be ahead of them either way. It's just annoying they got away with a few things that I reckon would have possibly made the gap a bit smaller.

City vs Chelsea - no aguero

United vs Spurs - no kane in the ‘harry kane’ team.
United vs Tottenham - err , see above.

B Silva’s foot was trapped - penalty. Making a meal of it - should of been a yellow.

The goal in ‘extra extra’ time was on 96.05, 5mins of signalled extra time, then with additional injury time and substitutions.

Injured (at some point) influential players - mendy, stones, aguero, Kompany, Gundogan.

So.. mendy and stones out - not our best defence for the derby either.

I haven’t analysed the minutiae of uniteds games this season so I can’t really comment on their ‘luck’ quality and quantity in comparison to City’s.

Aguero was out before the Chelsea game and you prepared accordingly. Morata started for Chelsea and was part of their plans. They have no replacement for him either unlike you for Aguero. He nearly scored early on too.

Kompany, Gundogan, Stones, Mendy ? Really? In that case Fellaini, Rojo, Shaw, Ibra, Jones, Bailey. I'm talking about the talisman of the team, not just a first teamer/first choice 11 player.

 

[Womp]

City vs Chelsea - no aguero

United vs Spurs - no kane in the ‘harry kane’ team.
United vs Tottenham - err , see above.

B Silva’s foot was trapped - penalty. Making a meal of it - should of been a yellow.

The goal in ‘extra extra’ time was on 96.05, 5mins of signalled extra time, then with additional injury time and substitutions.

Injured (at some point) influential players - mendy, stones, aguero, Kompany, Gundogan.

So.. mendy and stones out - not our best defence for the derby either.

I haven’t analysed the minutiae of uniteds games this season so I can’t really comment on their ‘luck’ quality and quantity in comparison to City’s.

There's an argument to be made that Aguero isn't even your first choice striker, he rotates with GBJ. You had a replacement of similar quality for Aguero and were aware of his injury prior to the game. Morata is Chelsea's only proper striker, they had to play fecking Michy as a replacement.

I accept that Kane being injured made the Spurs game easier for us, I along with many other fans admitted as much, something City fans on here apparently aren't capable of doing. As a counter measure though, we were also missing our best player.

We've played most of the 'difficult' games without our best player and our first choice defenders. For eg. your best player was responsible for scoring a wondergoal to win the game 1-0 for you guys against Chelsea, meanwhile our best player was at home making dance videos when we played Chelsea.

You honestly can't actually claim you guys haven't had the luck of the draw this season.

 

[M18CTID]

There's an argument to be made that Aguero isn't even your first choice striker, he rotates with GBJ. You had a replacement of similar quality for Aguero and were aware of his injury prior to the game. Morata is Chelsea's only proper striker, they had to play fecking Michy as a replacement.

I accept that Kane being injured made the Spurs game easier for us, I along with many other fans admitted as much, something City fans on here apparently aren't capable of doing. As a counter measure though, we were also missing our best player.

We've played most of the 'difficult' games without our best player and our first choice defenders. For eg. your best player was responsible for scoring a wondergoal to win the game 1-0 for you guys against Chelsea, meanwhile our best player was at home making dance videos when we played Chelsea.

You honestly can't actually claim you guys haven't had the luck of the draw this season.

We’ve had luck but we’ve also been the best team this season so far. Nothing further needs to be added as it’s just going round in circles.

 

[M18CTID]

Great post mate, keep it up.
Nice avoidance of the 2 questions I asked too. I suppose I shouldn’t expect any better from a blinkered City fan.

And where have you been hiding with your grand total of 18 posts in 16 months?

 

[Womp]

We’ve had luck but we’ve also been the best team this season so far. Nothing further needs to be added as it’s just going round in circles.

I completely agree with that. You’ve been phenomenal. At times though you have had moments go in your favour that could have turned the tide a little.

It’s football though and every team no matter how good needs luck at times. I’m saying you guys have been lucky more in a “calls going in your favour like this are usually signs of the soon to be champions” rather than “wow they suck they only win cause they lucky”

To win trophies you need to be good and lucky. You need to avoid major injuries, those little calls need to go in your favour throughout the season etc. and so far you guys are looking like both.

 

[ROFLUTION]

How many games has Delph been suspended for?

Where do you see him being suspended?

 

[MJJ]

“I don’t believe in that,” De Bruyne said. “I’m a very straightforward guy. If someone believes it is karma then OK. Everyone has their right to their opinion. I don’t want anyone to get injured. It’s a competition, you want to play against the best teams and the best players.

“I don’t care [what he says]. He can say whatever he wants. We just have to be focused on whatever we’re doing. He’s a massive player. I know him a little bit. He’s unbelievable. He took a red card and that’s the way it goes – you have injuries and suspensions.

Thats the right kind of attitude and mentality to have imo.

 

[PexiGlass]

We’ve had luck but we’ve also been the best team this season so far. Nothing further needs to be added as it’s just going round in circles.

You've been the best due to the luck you've had though. If decisions don't go for you, or you are on the wrong end of injuries, suspensions as teams who have faced you have been, then results would be different. You've had the breaks over your opponents in 8 of your PL matches this season. The only team to have out lucked you are Everton.

I'm sure Oliver being appointed has pleased you greatly. Another lucky break for you. If anyone so much as sneezes near Silva or KDB the cards will be out. Don't see us finishing with 11 on the pitch.

 

[DelPotro]

You've been the best due to the luck you've had though. If decisions don't go for you, or you are on the wrong end of injuries, suspensions as teams who have faced you have been, then results would be different. You've had the breaks over your opponents in 8 of your PL matches this season. The only team to have out lucked you are Everton.

I'm sure Oliver being appointed has pleased you greatly. Another lucky break for you. If anyone so much as sneezes near Silva or KDB the cards will be out. Don't see us finishing with 11 on the pitch.

What a ridiculous post. They have been the best because they have the best team and are playing the best football right now. You are talking as if the refs helped them in most of their wins. Even though they had a dip in form in the last few matches, they still kept attacking relentlessly and were able to grind out another win. That's usually a sign for the champions unfortunately.

 

[robinamicrowave]

You've been the best due to the luck you've had though. If decisions don't go for you, or you are on the wrong end of injuries, suspensions as teams who have faced you have been, then results would be different. You've had the breaks over your opponents in 8 of your PL matches this season. The only team to have out lucked you are Everton.

I'm sure Oliver being appointed has pleased you greatly. Another lucky break for you. If anyone so much as sneezes near Silva or KDB the cards will be out. Don't see us finishing with 11 on the pitch.

12 posts on the forum. 11 about City.

 

[robinamicrowave]

You've been the best due to the luck you've had though. If decisions don't go for you, or you are on the wrong end of injuries, suspensions as teams who have faced you have been, then results would be different. You've had the breaks over your opponents in 8 of your PL matches this season. The only team to have out lucked you are Everton.

I'm sure Oliver being appointed has pleased you greatly. Another lucky break for you. If anyone so much as sneezes near Silva or KDB the cards will be out. Don't see us finishing with 11 on the pitch.

Actually, you know what, I'm going work this out.

2-0 vs Brighton - nothing to report
1-1 vs Everton - had Walker sent off for nothing, might have won the game with him (+2 points)
2-1 vs Bournemouth - last minute deflected winner (-2 points)
5-0 vs Liverpool - nothing to report
6-0 vs Watford - first goal is offside, but win was inevitable
5-0 vs Palace - nothing to report
1-0 vs Chelsea - Morata goes off injured, might stay 0-0 with him on the field (-2 points)
7-2 vs Stoke - nothing to report
3-0 vs Burnley - Chris Wood goes off injured, otherwise nothing to report
3-2 vs West Brom - nothing to report
2-0 vs Leicester - nothing to report
2-1 vs Huddersfield - Sterling winner balloons in off a ricochet, lucky (-2 points)
2-1 vs Southampton - sure, last minute winner, but hardly a lucky one
2-1 vs West Ham - nothing to report

So even if all of our "lucky" incidents had gone the other way, we'd still be on 39 points and still above United and Chelsea in the table.

 

[PexiGlass]

What a ridiculous post. They have been the best because they have the best team and are playing the best football right now. You are talking as if the refs helped them in most of their wins.

Read the post properly before replying. Another poster has explained the meaning of ''luck'' earlier in the thread. Although 5 of their wins have come on the back of poor decisions

 

[adexkola]

You've been the best due to the luck you've had though. If decisions don't go for you, or you are on the wrong end of injuries, suspensions as teams who have faced you have been, then results would be different. You've had the breaks over your opponents in 8 of your PL matches this season. The only team to have out lucked you are Everton.

I'm sure Oliver being appointed has pleased you greatly. Another lucky break for you. If anyone so much as sneezes near Silva or KDB the cards will be out. Don't see us finishing with 11 on the pitch.

That's nonsense.

 

[robinamicrowave]

Read the post properly before replying. Another poster has explained the meaning of ''luck'' earlier in the thread. Although 5 of their wins have come on the back of poor decisions

Lol, you originally said "8 of their wins have come on the back of poor decisions" and then changed it. Make your mind up.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Actually, you know what, I'm going work this out.

2-0 vs Brighton - nothing to report
1-1 vs Everton - had Walker sent off for nothing, might have won the game with him (+2 points)
2-1 vs Bournemouth - last minute deflected winner (-2 points)
5-0 vs Liverpool - nothing to report (Mane Red Card - as already leading can't really say points would have been dropped).
6-0 vs Watford - first goal is offside, but win was inevitable (First & Third goals offside as well as Watford being denied a penalty)
5-0 vs Palace - nothing to report
1-0 vs Chelsea - Morata goes off injured, might stay 0-0 with him on the field (-2 points)
7-2 vs Stoke - nothing to report
3-0 vs Burnley - Chris Wood goes off injured, otherwise nothing to report (Controversial penalty for first goal)
3-2 vs West Brom - nothing to report
2-0 vs Leicester - nothing to report (Kompany should have been sent off)
2-1 vs Huddersfield - Sterling winner balloons in off a ricochet, lucky (-2 points)
2-1 vs Southampton - sure, last minute winner, but hardly a lucky one (We were spawny lucky bastards during fergie time apparently, so we can include luck here).
2-1 vs West Ham - nothing to report

So even if all of our "lucky" incidents had gone the other way, we'd still be on 39 points and still above United and Chelsea in the table.

With red tinted specs on. Of course luck means more than just referee decisions.

 

[Invictus]

@PexiGlass quit signing up with new accounts every other week, and wasting our time – as well as yours.

 

[peridigm]

Where do you see him being suspended?

Sarcasm.