Noone is denying that you're the best team. But there appears to be a defense reaction when it's stated that you've got a bit of luck too.
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Wow that guy's relentless 
fecks sake, you really are methodical. Although Kompany should've been sent off against Leicester, the referee bottled that decision.
Luck is a vague concept. Scoring early in the matches from the first chance or half-chance is not less down to luck than dominating, creating chances and getting a last minute winner. Getting the early goal is the most valuable thing in football, and is generally more down to randomness than to some great master plan.
I think the defensiveness comes from a fair few United fans putting it all down to luck
2-0 vs Brighton - nothing to report
1-1 vs Everton - had Walker sent off for nothing, might have won the game with him (+2 points)
2-1 vs Bournemouth - last minute deflected winner (-2 points)
5-0 vs Liverpool - nothing to report (Mane Red Card - as already leading can't really say points would have been dropped).
6-0 vs Watford - first goal is offside, but win was inevitable (First & Third goals offside as well as Watford being denied a penalty)
5-0 vs Palace - nothing to report
1-0 vs Chelsea - Morata goes off injured, might stay 0-0 with him on the field (-2 points)
7-2 vs Stoke - nothing to report
3-0 vs Burnley - Chris Wood goes off injured, otherwise nothing to report (Controversial penalty for first goal)
3-2 vs West Brom - nothing to report
3-1 vs Arsenal - (debatable penalty and offside 3rd goal.)
2-0 vs Leicester - nothing to report (Kompany should have been sent off)
2-1 vs Huddersfield - Sterling winner balloons in off a ricochet, lucky (-2 points)
2-1 vs Southampton - sure, last minute winner, but hardly a lucky one (We were spawny lucky bastards during fergie time apparently, so we can include luck here).
2-1 vs West Ham - nothing to report
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Add to this that we miss Pogba for the derby and they get Michael fecking Oliver as their 12th man...
Against Bournemouth Ake had did a worse challenge on Jesus who would have been clean through so it's swings and roundabouts
Yeah that really balances it all out.
It doesn't no but people keep harping on about Kompany, we could have had a pen against arsenal before the one sterling was given its just people are going round in circles, United have had luck but people saying city have had no end of luck and are only 8 points clear because of this is just bollox
Could look back at your win against Swansea. At 0-0 Swansea hit the bar from close range. Does that mean the game should end 1-0 to Swansea?
All this talk of "luck" is bullshit. It was bullshit when yous were "lucky" under Fergie and the same applies now.
Why does SAF keep being used by citeh fans as a measure of luck/success?
Ferguson wasn't lucky - he dominated the PL for 2 decades, what you're doing isn't comparable to that. To suggest so is laughable.
That's not even close to the point I was making, but you do you. The recent run we've been on, where we've been winning games in the last ten minutes, is something Ferguson's teams were famous for and prided themselves on. If successful teams get "lucky" in big moments it's because they make their own luck - it was true when you played under Ferguson and it's true of this current run of form City are on.
Oh yeah, need to include the offside goal against Arsenal, thanks for reminding me of that game
Your luck doesn't just extend to getting late winners though, does it? See back in the thread for full lists of the incredible fortune and in some cases officiating bias you've been blessed with thus far this campaign.
Pep trying to make us believe Silva is a doubt for the derby
But this is the problem right here.
In cases like this, where one set of fans are accusing their rivals of rigging the system, of getting luck where their own team doesn't, etc., there are always going to be inconsistencies, omissions from the evidence, or people on the other side arguing the opposite point of view. For every lucky decision you think City have had go our way this season, there are ten City fans who'd think the same about United's games. None of them would be correct. There are some City fans already convinced that Michael Oliver will fix the derby on Sunday to make the title race more competitive. Bluemoon's full of paranoid idiots convinced that Ferguson wasn't so great after all, that it was all to do with him getting the rub of the green in the last minute or bullying referees. It's madness. Ferguson deserved to win every trophy he won with United because his management and coaching won each and every one of them. Just like we deserve to be eight points clear because we're the best team in the league at this moment in time. And if we don't win the league from here, it won't be as a result of bad refereeing - it'll be because we'll have let it slip when it was ours to lose. Every team ends up where they deserve to be. Sure, key moments swing things this way and that, but overall the differences are minor.
We've conceded 1 goal directly from a set piece all season (an own goal) and 1 from a cross that came soon after a corner but was still indirect.
Worth pointing out that Nico Otamendi has as many league goals this season as Marcus Rashford- in fewer appearances.
Is that worth pointing out?
Yes that is certainly relevant, so relevant that that is the second thread you have posted that in.
Not getting the reaction you are looking for?
Well Rashford has a much better ratio than it looks since his appearances are split between playing for 60 mins or coming on for 20.
Edit not falling for bait but he does have fantastic stats if you look past the surface.
Edit not falling for bait but he does have fantastic stats if you look past the surface.
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Please bring back the Newbie 10 like system.
Warned for wumming. Posters who recognise an obvious wum like that should report the post.
Lets move on with the thread.
Lets move on with the thread.
YetAnotherBannedCityFan.
C'mon people we're trying to be fair here, don't make it tough for other decent City fans.
Everyone loves some mind gamesPep trying to make us believe Silva is a doubt for the derby
I thought this one seemed quite decent on the surface.
Everyone loves some mind games
Wenger claimed all week long that Lacazette was unavailable for selection, happy days.
Imagine my surprise to spot the aforementioned practising overhead kicks during the pre-match warm up.
I think City want to be seen to do the right thing by playing their strongest 'available' team v Shaktar. Its not a huge surprise that someone picked up a non-specific knock and couldn't make the trip..
Ahah yeah! I know. No problem with it
I am really not confident about Sunday
Not the verb I would use.Wow that guy's relentless
Glad to see mods picking up namco’s insane behaviour, quicker now. /clap
If it was a City fan saying that on a certain City forum, it’s exactly the kind of post that would be flagged up by a United fan in the Bluemoon meltdown thread and you’d all be having a good laugh about it.
Impressive work by the mods that - namco’s tried to change his posting style a bit but they were on it and spotted it.
http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=11-Manchester-Utd
As form changes and the matches stack up, it’s more like a traditional table now - as I pointed out, it’s only a decent table (for relative form & positions) near the start of the season.
It would be nice to see that type of table of 8 ish matches over any selected period.
Some interesting points you can still see though:
Huddersfield , after the high of beating united have gone into free-fall.
Everton, are starting to do well again.
They used to have a table with the results represented as green/orange/red bars per match, but I can’t find that (maybe not on mobile) - which shows trends/form a bit - but that still doesn’t show what the 1st table did (at the start of season). Ie relative form/positions.
It is looking a lot healthier, (sadly - hehe) from United relative to others perspective
Cheers, there's a lot of stats on that link you provided. Seems like quite an informative site.
No, it's not a decent table at the start or now. I said few weeks back that 2 good results means the whole table changes as there was nothing between 7th to 16th, sort of happened with Everton. Also what that table won't consider is the fixture list of other teams. Maybe Brighton played easier games than say Everton so they were higher up the table, one you are near 19 games mark things will settle.
It was used by opposition fans to downplay ManUtd's start, nothing more.
City have found themselves to be extremely fortunate all season long. It's all going their way, from dodgy decisions to late goals, they've had it in abundance. With the sole exception of KDB and his unearlthy decision to shape his head to resemble what could only be described as a square block (like being born a ginger wasn't hard enough, Kevin), Lady Luck is firmly in their corner. Unrelenting, soul destroying bitch that she is.
There are a great many people who do not believe in luck, the very idea of it's existence angers them, offends them even. But for me luck is very much a thing. Although in order to recieve it, one must create it by way of their own actions or what is more commonly known as cause and effect.
Sterling could only score that late winner against Huddersfield if is in the right place at the right time. Likewise the Bournemouth game, he's in the right place at right time, result the same. Like all the top teams City have created their own luck. How many late goals did we score under the SAF's leadership? I won't attempt the math because I personally cannot count that high. If we plan to end their fortune run of results, we will need to create our own luck in the derby this weekend.
And we will, with or without Pogba, turn them over. Never been so sure of anything in my life.
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I don't really get this "City are fortunate" thing.
Title winners get lucky al the time.
One can also say they force luck to go their way by camping in the opposition box all the time.
Title winners get lucky al the time.
One can also say they force luck to go their way by camping in the opposition box all the time.