Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Tonight's BBC documentary on Labour's summer was so clearly first pitched as a 'Demise of Corbyn' piece. Loved almost every second of it, the post-exit poll segments (especially Kinnock Jr's face as his leadership bid ended before it started) bordered on a legal high.
 
Dobba said:
Tonight's BBC documentary on Labour's summer was so clearly first pitched as a 'Demise of Corbyn' piece. Loved almost every second of it, the post-exit poll segments (especially Kinnock Jr's face as his leadership bid ended before it started) bordered on a legal high.
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Haven't watched it but have seen the clip of Kinnock Jr and yeah it's fecking brilliant.
 
Couldn't find the 13 points but here's a link to the Momentum constituton. If they're asked to swear fealty to the "political objectives" of momentum then those would be the following:

3. The association aims:
  • To work for the election of a Labour government;
  • To revitalise the Labour Party by building on the values, energy and enthusiasm of the Jeremy for Leader campaign so that Labour will become an effective, open, inclusive, participatory, democratic and member-led party of and in Government;
  • To broaden support for a transformative, socialist programme;
  • To unite people in their communities and workplaces to win victories on the issues that matter to them;
  • To make politics more accessible to more people;
  • To ensure a wide and diverse membership of Labour who are in and heard at every level of the party;
  • To demonstrate how collective action and Labour values can transform our society for the better and improve the lives of ordinary people; and
  • To achieve a society that is more democratic, fair and equal.
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I guess the commitment to a "transformative, socialist programme" is the shocker. Commitment to being member led is probably running a close second since it's plausible that the terms "member-led" and "Momentum" might end up being interchangeable.

At any rate I hardly find it surprising that a pressure group wants reciprocal support from those it chooses to back.
 
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Sweet Square said:
In other words Momentum want left wing MPs in the Labour Party.
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Exactly, this is pretty much the definition of how a pressure group acts. I don't get the breathless tone of the article (I say feigning ignorance, having seen the Guardian continuously punch left for 2 years)
 
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Dobba said:
Hard to believe it's already been 1 year since Corbyn's Labour's greatest threat rose to power.


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Jesus.:lol:

I did think UKIP could pose a potential threat to Labour in some areas since they had a decent amount of working-class support and didn't go away in the aftermath of Brexit, but their potential reach was always overestimated.

People saw them possibly doing 'an SNP' so to speak, which ignored that unlike UKIP, the SNP had been a sizable party for years in a lot of working-class constituencies and that they'd already largely taken a lot of key Labour strongholds in 2011 in the Scottish elections. UKIP, on the other hand, weren't anywhere near that level and generally just moved into second place in a lot of areas. The general idea of them being perceived as a threat was understandable but the extent to which the threat was played up demonstrated some poor and hyperbolic analysis.
 
Pexbo said:
God he sounds like a complete and utter dim wit. "Err no I don't like politics, it doesn't affect me, they're all nob'eads like, it's boring". feck off Noel you thick cnut.
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I've heard he was/is a massive New Labour guy but yeah I think that rumour gives him way to much credit. Oh and I've heard his version of wonder wall live and it's fecking shite.
 
As much as I like the FT that Payne clown and their team of editors put their weight behind the Tories for the most recent election claiming they're the safe bet.

I also listen to their weekly podcast and they always seem to talk about Corbyn and his Labour party in a patronising, looking-down-their-nose way which is sometimes justified but equally reveals bias.
 
Who is that Payne knob? That's the second time this week I've seen a humiliatingly wrong old tweet from him.
 
DenisIrwin said:
The UK Prime Minister the world needs, imo:
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I agree with you, but 30 minutes of wise words is, apparently, not worth as much as an inflamatory tweet or catchy soundbite. This speech doesn't appear to merit a place on the bbc website.
 
Flying high said:
I agree with you, but 30 minutes of wise words is, apparently, not worth as much as an inflamatory tweet or catchy soundbite. This speech doesn't appear to merit a place on the bbc website.
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The BBC are meant to be impartial. The problem is that they don't live up to that mandate.
 
Flying high said:
I agree with you, but 30 minutes of wise words is, apparently, not worth as much as an inflamatory tweet or catchy soundbite. This speech doesn't appear to merit a place on the bbc website.
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Weird, I thought Kurnssenberg was the epitome of impartiality.
 
Flying high said:
I agree with you, but 30 minutes of wise words is, apparently, not worth as much as an inflamatory tweet or catchy soundbite. This speech doesn't appear to merit a place on the bbc website.
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A 30 minute speech of wise words appeals to reason. Tweets and slogans appeal to emotions. 40% of the world are thinkers, 60% are feelers. Put two and two together.
 
Also, nothing he said was vaguely newsworthy at all.

This whole infowars-like claim of conspiracy against him is tiring. Politicians of all persuasions actually make speeches all the time that don't get covered. Nothing he said in that speech was particularly news worthy. He's essentially saying that conflict, inequality, misogyny, the North Korea situation and climate change are all bad.

I'm sorry but it's not a huge conspiracy that news outlets didn't find anything news worthy about it. The event didn't seem terribly well organised either; the audio is appalling. He was invited to speak at an event where he addressed a smorgasbord of issues upon which there already exists a consensus. At a time when the 'phase 1' part of this Tory Brexit shambles was seemingly coming to ahead.

Can honestly really say with their hand on heart that they genuinely think lack of coverage of his speech represents some kind of proof of a media/BBC conspiracy against him? As if the BBC should have been torn as to whether Brexit chaos or 'politician says climate change is bad' should have been their lead story.
 
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@Oscie this isn't proof, but then again no more proof is needed. He's been very clearly treated despicably by the media since he first won the leadership, and I say that despite not really being much of a Corbyn fan.
 
Kentonio said:
@Oscie this isn't proof, but then again no more proof is needed. He's been very clearly treated despicably by the media since he first won the leadership, and I say that despite not really being much of a Corbyn fan.
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I think the despicable treatment has hardly started myself, I'd say 'you ain't seen nothing yet'. The tory press and propaganda machine was kind of looking the other way in the last election due to Brexit, next time he's going to get both barrels from the Murdoch 'picture him eating a bacon sandwich' shotgun.

I'm not a Corbyn fan either, but that doesn't mean I like multi-millionaires deciding who wins elections.
 
Oscie said:
Can honestly really say with their hand on heart that they genuinely think lack of coverage of his speech represents some kind of proof of a media/BBC conspiracy against him? As if the BBC should have been torn as to whether Brexit chaos or 'politician says climate change is bad' should have been their lead story.
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On it's own, probably not. When put into the context of it taking place in a week where the BBC thought the editor of GQ was worthy of a timeslot on their main morning radio show, to discuss an interview and photo shoot he wasn't at and clearly hadn't read, maybe.
 
Oscie said:
Also, nothing he said was vaguely newsworthy at all.

This whole infowars-like claim of conspiracy against him is tiring. Politicians of all persuasions actually make speeches all the time that don't get covered. Nothing he said in that speech was particularly news worthy. He's essentially saying that conflict, inequality, misogyny, the North Korea situation and climate change are all bad.

I'm sorry but it's not a huge conspiracy that news outlets didn't find anything news worthy about it. The event didn't seem terribly well organised either; the audio is appalling. He was invited to speak at an event where he addressed a smorgasbord of issues upon which there already exists a consensus. At a time when the 'phase 1' part of this Tory Brexit shambles was seemingly coming to ahead.

Can honestly really say with their hand on heart that they genuinely think lack of coverage of his speech represents some kind of proof of a media/BBC conspiracy against him? As if the BBC should have been torn as to whether Brexit chaos or 'politician says climate change is bad' should have been their lead story.
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Hang on! Are you saying he gets fair coverage?

Sorry to be sarcastic, but look at the constant absence of him in the news. You'd think he was hiding away if all you followed was the normal media outlets. I can assure you he is not and it's a national disgrace the way he is being ignored when possible, or attacked and smeared when they have to face him.
 
Oscie said:
This whole infowars-like claim of conspiracy against him is tiring. Politicians of all persuasions actually make speeches all the time that don't get covered. Nothing he said in that speech was particularly news worthy. He's essentially saying that conflict, inequality, misogyny, the North Korea situation and climate change are all bad.

I'm sorry but it's not a huge conspiracy that news outlets didn't find anything news worthy about it. The event didn't seem terribly well organised either; the audio is appalling. He was invited to speak at an event where he addressed a smorgasbord of issues upon which there already exists a consensus. At a time when the 'phase 1' part of this Tory Brexit shambles was seemingly coming to ahead.

Can honestly really say with their hand on heart that they genuinely think lack of coverage of his speech represents some kind of proof of a media/BBC conspiracy against him? As if the BBC should have been torn as to whether Brexit chaos or 'politician says climate change is bad' should have been their lead story.
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You haven't been watching Info wars lately


 
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