Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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That just reflects bad on us too...
Another damning piece of evidence that the fecking Chelsea board FAILED Conte and the fans big time with a net spend of 3 million pounds this summer.
Won't blame Conte and Hazard for quiting the club by next summer.
Won't blame Conte and Hazard for quiting the club by next summer.
I find the complaining from Chelsea fans about spending quite hilarious. It's as if they've wiped from their memories the huge amounts of investment Abramovich put into the club when he first came.
This is what happens when you are a sugar daddy club, they will want the club to give some money back. He can't fund you forever.
This is what happens when you are a sugar daddy club, they will want the club to give some money back. He can't fund you forever.
You do realize you're complaining about spending.. a Chelsea fan complaining about investing in the squad? You'd be a yoyo championship team where you belong without Abramovich.
What utter rubbish, we have been a topflight side for all but about 10 years of our whole existence.
Chelsea a level below what they were last season.
They played well last year but the lack of CL football for first time in Abramovich era massively helped them.
In fact no european football at all so Conte had free weeks for most of the season to coach them the 3-5-2. No such luxury this season.
They played well last year but the lack of CL football for first time in Abramovich era massively helped them.
In fact no european football at all so Conte had free weeks for most of the season to coach them the 3-5-2. No such luxury this season.
They did add depth to the squad and it's not like they've had much injury problems this season. Lost Costa and Luiz to something non-football related which makes their squad smaller than it is on paper.
It's quite obvious Chelsea cannot cope with the demands of the PL and CL and the reason mainly being a poor transfer strategy and lack of squad depth. Bakayoko and Drinkwater haven't replaced Matic. Neither of them are specialist DMs like him and getting rid of Costa was a poor desicion as well. He was instrumental last season and crucial to the style Chelsea played especially the way he bullied defenders and helped drive them up the pitch. He had a big personality as well and I certainly wouldn't have dumped him if I was the manager.
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Im not saying he's correct but weren't you on the verge of bankruptcy before Roman came along? You might have been a championship club without getting relegated?
Im not saying he's correct but weren't you on the verge of bankruptcy before Roman came along? You might have been a championship club without getting relegated?
Just a mere scrutiny of last season up to this weekend.
Last season Costa, top scorer, scored his 11th goal.
Morata has 9 goals now. Not much difference.
Chelsea last season scored 85 goals.
Now they are on 28 goals at 16 games. 22 more games to go. They need to score 3 goals a game to probably reach last season numbers.
Chelsea conceded 33 goals all season.
Now they have conceded 13 goals. They need to ONLY concede 1 goal a game to reach last season numbers.
Now to the elephant in the room, why such disparity.
1st Costa and Morata in terms of goals. They seem alike considering it is Morata first season.
So why is Chelsea scoring less yet their main striker is in good numbers.. The team shape.
Last season matic played 34 games. Chelsea played a 3-4-3 meaning Costa had 2 other support from hazard n pedro.
Thus Costa scored and other scored thus 85 goals a season.
This season Chelsea like today they play 3-5-1-1 meaning Chelsea are defensive thus little goals, today they had 0 shots on target and they are chasing the game.
Secondly as i said earlier they need to concede 20 goals in the remaining 22 games to overtake last season tally.
Meaning they are shipping many goals yet they are defensive why players maybe, shape of the team?
What is evident is Matic gave Chelsea a very goood balance not many people can see it but am 100% sure Conte knows how valuable Matic was, how he was sold nobody knows.
Matic gave them the balance going forward and protected the defence well.
Is it a coincidence that Matic is in United who have conceded the least only outscored by City who have only dropped 2 points yet United have dropped 10 points, (goal difference came about during City vs Stoke and Watford) whilst city having their best form ever yet United have not hit top gear leave alone their best form ever.
Matic departure is the main undoing of Chelsea. Remember Chelsea last season won the league by breaking season win record.
Last season Costa, top scorer, scored his 11th goal.
Morata has 9 goals now. Not much difference.
Chelsea last season scored 85 goals.
Now they are on 28 goals at 16 games. 22 more games to go. They need to score 3 goals a game to probably reach last season numbers.
Chelsea conceded 33 goals all season.
Now they have conceded 13 goals. They need to ONLY concede 1 goal a game to reach last season numbers.
Now to the elephant in the room, why such disparity.
1st Costa and Morata in terms of goals. They seem alike considering it is Morata first season.
So why is Chelsea scoring less yet their main striker is in good numbers.. The team shape.
Last season matic played 34 games. Chelsea played a 3-4-3 meaning Costa had 2 other support from hazard n pedro.
Thus Costa scored and other scored thus 85 goals a season.
This season Chelsea like today they play 3-5-1-1 meaning Chelsea are defensive thus little goals, today they had 0 shots on target and they are chasing the game.
Secondly as i said earlier they need to concede 20 goals in the remaining 22 games to overtake last season tally.
Meaning they are shipping many goals yet they are defensive why players maybe, shape of the team?
What is evident is Matic gave Chelsea a very goood balance not many people can see it but am 100% sure Conte knows how valuable Matic was, how he was sold nobody knows.
Matic gave them the balance going forward and protected the defence well.
Is it a coincidence that Matic is in United who have conceded the least only outscored by City who have only dropped 2 points yet United have dropped 10 points, (goal difference came about during City vs Stoke and Watford) whilst city having their best form ever yet United have not hit top gear leave alone their best form ever.
Matic departure is the main undoing of Chelsea. Remember Chelsea last season won the league by breaking season win record.
maybe call some of the zillions of players you have on loan (some in the EPL) and actually allow them to play and develop?
they have depth, they're just all on loan
You're not wrong, I'm sure. But when I read this I thought it said "we've been a top flight side for all our 10 years of existence"
Morata doesnt look like a guy who wants to be in England. Would have been torn to shreds by the press if we signed him and he wasnt scoring every 30 minutes.
This is true from what I have read. Chelsea needed Champions League footy, were in a lot of debt, things looked bad. Roman gave the ultimatum - CL footy or no dice. And then Gronkjaer proceeded to score the most important goal in Chelsea history. Things could have been a lot different without That goal.
I dont understand how Chelsea fans can say Conte did not get financial support from the board. In Jose debacle season I can say the board did not back the manager but not this season. Let us see; they spent 60 million on Morata, 40 million for Bakayako, 35 million for Drinkwater, 30 million for Rudiger and 20 odd for Zapacosta. That comes to around 185 million spent, more than United. I understand they sold Matic and Costa but the latter's situation came about also because of the lack of management of Conte. Ok maybe the board did not buy Lukaku for them (who let us not even deny was their first target) but let us not forget they spent 35 odd million on Batshuayi who so far has not proved his worth.
Conte has to take fair share of the blame for Chelsea's inability to defend their title this season.
Conte has to take fair share of the blame for Chelsea's inability to defend their title this season.
It's not really the financial support though - I think it's more that the board makes the transfer decisions without listening to Conte too much. For example, Conte wanted Lukaku and didn't want Matic to go.
You either didn't see the game today or are lying to make your point seem more valid. We certainly had some shots on target.
We're worse than last season for sure but last season was one the the highest points totals anyone has ever got, it was always going to be incredibly tough to match that, even without the added champions league games and the bedding in of new players. It's not all about the Matic transfer.
We're third, still in every competition and more than half the season is yet to be played. We probably won't win the league but it's not a disaster just yet.
I can understand for lukaku but Conte has to take fair share of blame regarding matic. He did not even take matic to the present season tour. It's like conte never even made a move to stop matic being sold.
Matic had already told the club he wanted out and the club had agreed. Conte had nothing to do with it. He's the coach, not an old school manager who has a say in that sort of thing.
I don't see why Chelsea would willingly undercut a manager if he said I want the player to stay?
They've bought and sold players without the coach's say quite a few times over the years.
It's not about undercutting the manager, we don't have a manager. We have a coach who does not control transfers. The days of Fergie being in charge of everything are a million miles from what goes on at Chelsea.
Thank You for Matiç 
Apart from that, hope you finish outside top 4
Apart from that, hope you finish outside top 4
You were on the brink before Roman took over. Would have been another Leeds with the debts you had and Bates clearly wasn’t going to pay for it.
That’s in the past. Chelsea is run just like Arsenal is today.
That is only if the are ready and only for those positions that need improvement. For instance wingbacks of which none of the loanees are good enough for a first team place.
I agree with those latter parts. I think this season we are seeing the true comparative level of the top six teams, as all have the same European football commitments. Chelsea did phenomenally well last season, but the boosting effect of no European fixtures can’t be over stated IMO.
I hope Hazard leaves for the sake of his career. He needs to play with other talented players
fecking hell, how's that even possible? Chelsea team trying to get the manager fired again?
I remember one top 6 game where we had 0 shots in the second half, but that was with feck all possession and, well.. against a good team (and we were shite).
Conte quit? ....sacked is more likely
Far from it. Second place is a decent finish and they are not a million miles away.
Agree. Just going by what the press portrayed the situation as after the first match. They probably won't win the league but they'll have a decent season.
I hope he leaves to severely weaken a direct rival.
Conte never do well when coming to fixture congestion, which is his nature. At Juventus he won zero domestic and European cups. I also doubt Chelsea progression in this year CL, Conte-teams always fail in knock-out stages or decisive finals, examples: last year FA Cup, Italia WC 2016.
Based on that fact, i hope Chelsea is marching as far as they can through the CL (which is no harm because they never win it under Conte's reign anyway) until they are officially out of PL title race
Based on that fact, i hope Chelsea is marching as far as they can through the CL (which is no harm because they never win it under Conte's reign anyway) until they are officially out of PL title race
Well considering we were deep in negotiations with Cole and Parker i think rumours of our demise were exaggerated.
I never really got the call for manager's to have full control, i mean of all supporters we should be the last to demand such.If we gave Scolari full control it was Drogba out Adriano in, we gave Jose mark two more control than most and lost one of the best players of this generation. People cite Fergie as a reason to give manager's control but despite unprecedented success he had a very hit and miss record in the market and when he 'missed' he often did spectacularly (Bellion, Djemba Djemba, Bebe, Taibi, Kleberson, Obertan, Owen, all the keepers between Schmeichel and VDS). Infact he might have won even more if he had a transfer team he worked side by side with, almost certainly those ridiculous transfers mentioned wouldn't have happened.
The stuff about Fergie is complete and utter nonsense I am sorry. You're genuinely saying that united would have been more successful if Sir Alex didn't have as much power? The man single handedly knocked Liverpool off their perch and brough the title back to United after a 26 year wait (along with two European cups).. The most successful club manager ever.
For every one of those signings you mention you forget the Cantona, Kanchelskis, class of 92, Ronaldo, Solskjaer, Vidic, Evra, Schmeichel, de Gea..