Yeah big props to him. He's come into Mourinho's league, pulled his pants down and is in the process of taking a massive shit all over it.
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Yeah big props to him. He's come into Mourinho's league, pulled his pants down and is in the process of taking a massive shit all over it.
Mourinho called it out in the pre match press conference but the refs still can’t manage it. City use “tactical” fouling to stop attacks and get away with it so it’s OK. The Jesus one being the most blatant and nothing given. Then the DeBruyne head injury in the second half, Oliver stops play and he springs up...the refs bite on it all.
They are a great side that play good football, but this only helps them as it would change how they would need to defend.
They are a great side that play good football, but this only helps them as it would change how they would need to defend.
Most City fans would say the opposite, we're seen as the money greedy lucky tramp lotto winner who needs to be put in their box by mighty and honorable United. I guess we both see the negative spins and take them up more than the positive.
We are big enough and rich enough to compete with them. Money is only one part of the equation.
Better team today and deserved the 3 points much like last season. Although expect everyone to go into overdrive about their performance today, both their goals came off a set-piece aided by an individual error from Lukaku. Can’t recall them opening us up where DDG had to make a brilliant save.
All the diving, fouling and time wasting was to do with Mourinho. Brilliant logic
You mean Rojo, Matic and Hererra? yes, totally to do with Mourinho, he sent you out to kick and hope. Instead of sending you out to play. The irony is your 6ft monster team got bullied off the pitch in midfield by 2 midgets and KDB.
yes Jesus dived too btw and should have been booked. If you think we were the only team who dived, tactically fouled you are deluded.
I'll leave this thread now and let you guys vent without responding because this place is understandably wound up and there is no need for fallings out, warnings or bans.
They were excellent today so congratulations to them. They looked slightly vulnerable for a period, but unfortunately their second goal was perfectly timed for them and they controlled the game for the most part from them on.
They were not even that good today, we just made them look better because of how poor we were.
Yep. I wanted us to get him. Then when they did I hoped Jose's PL experience would see Pep found out, but the guy is a machine. His football 'philisophy' is something I'm bloody envious off. He made Jose's work at United look simple today. fecking pissing off.
Yeah they weren't.
They have vulnerabilities I hope will be exposed in the latter stages of the Champions League but they can consistently reach a level every other PL team can only dream of at the moment. I wouldn't rule out the odd stumble in the league when the fixture list is tight and teams are fighting for their lives but no-one is catching them now, let's face it.
The plus side from United's perspective is we know we can be far better than we were today. The time to worry is when City are outclassing us at our best.
The plus side from United's perspective is we know we can be far better than we were today. The time to worry is when City are outclassing us at our best.
Biggest cheats since that Barca team of 09-11,they play great football but my word they drop to the floor at every challenge and start the card waving. Walker, Jesus and Fernandinho all tried to con the ref by diving. It's sad that Pep's teams have to adopt such kind of behaviour even after having the best team in the country.
Not to criticise you boys but I think Pep was pretty pragmatic today. Sterling was playing in midfield at times in the first half and Silva was doing the same in the second. Even Bernardo Silva on for Sane might be interpreted as a defensive change as the former is less direct than the latter. I think Pep killed the game with possession and was partially responsible for it being boring.
And that is so frustrating as a fan that we let this opportunity go.
Indeed, 2nd half we pretty much parked the bus from about 60 minutes, for about 15 minutes there was no one trying to do anything then United started to push more.
But you were also pragmatic in the first half? What i'm getting at is that putting an extra man in midfield and trying to keep possession is a defensive move. You starve the opposition of the ball and so they can't score. Do you agree?
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give me a break. Also, I never mentioned you were the only team fouling or diving. Dunno why your defence starts by pointing at us, it’s weird.During most of the match cynical fouls was being done left right and center by your midgets. Forgotten Sterling clattering into Martial as he’s running at your defence? He wasn’t even booked.
Also it doesn’t help that your players go down at slightest contact, Otamendi went down after a shoulder to shoulder to Jesse ffs! Time wasting was also another level, with fake head injury shouts and constant throw in routines.
You play great football but also exhibit cnutish behaviour like many Pep teams. You seem to have trouble accepting that though.
Baldylocks having the gall to describe them as an 'honest' team ffs.
The league is in the bag already, I'm more concerned about them winning the Champions league.
I personally think they are currently the best team in Europe.
I personally think they are currently the best team in Europe.
What do you mean by "pragmatic"?
Hand on my heart, I have never heard that before you just said it then. Well, actually I know one Arsenal fan who may have that opinion. But definitely not honourable United.
I can't give a team who cheats that much any credit. Horrible snide little men.
I wouldn't count on City winning the CL. You can bet the likes of Bayern, Real and Barca will know how to deal with City. Yes, I know Real was awful against Spurs but Real are never special in the group stage, they however know how to deal with the immense pressure of knockout matches.
Presumably what everyone else means, that a team is a little bit cautious in their play.
built for the quadruple and that is their reasonable bar this year, still CL is won by one team only so tears ahead for all minus that one, load of tears
To think if Kyle Walker hadn't been an idiot against Everton, they'd probably have an 100% record in the League right now. Can't see even Fergie's best teams competing with that.
What's bad for the rest of the league is that City showed they can win ugly with scrappy goals today. They've got spirit as well as good football, which is really annoying.
Decent article. End of the day, we've thrived on the us V them mentality in the past. The big gripe most of us have, I'm sure, is that we're not thriving at the moment.
We need to, and I want to so badly, win the title soon (next 2 years) and then most of us won't have a problem being the 'evil' to their 'good'.
They're a brilliant side but it still feels meaningless to me... Like an athlete on steroids or a tramp who wins the lottery.
Still, the good thing is that they're raising the standard and United will have to improve to match it. Hoofball isn't going to get us the points we need when they're winning every game.
Still, the good thing is that they're raising the standard and United will have to improve to match it. Hoofball isn't going to get us the points we need when they're winning every game.
I don't think united are honourable, or special in any way. It's just that City's success is completely attributable to the Mansour takeover. Any other PL club would be in the same position had they had the same good fortune.
People seem to see City as some kind of disruptive underdog and that's massively wide of the mark.
That said, at least it's not Liverpool who were bought put by the Emiratis. Can you imagine who insufferable they'd be now?
Even with walker being an idiot, it was an unlucky draw for City.
They were on the ropes against 10 men.
I think Ederson makes a big difference to them. We had a decent go at pressing their defenders but they always looked confident in playing in back in a way they didn't with Hart.
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During most of the match cynical fouls was being done left right and center by your midgets. Forgotten Sterling clattering into Martial as he’s running at your defence? He wasn’t even booked.
Also it doesn’t help that your players go down at slightest contact, Otamendi went down after a shoulder to shoulder to Jesse ffs! Time wasting was also another level, with fake head injury shouts and constant throw in routines.
You play great football but also exhibit cnutish behaviour like many Pep teams. You seem to have trouble accepting that though.
I've openly admitted we do those things what I'm calling out is the hypocrisy of those blaming us for it when they are equally guilty.
Had José not made those comments you wouldn't mention thus rubbish. The most blatant tactical foul in the game was matic on Silva or maybe kdb. Tactical fouling only became your go to excuse after Jose said it prematch.
Funny how it wasn't mentioned about any other match. You've been José'd and bought his prematch excuse for his own failing.
I rated him highly from what I seen of him at Benfica so I'm not surprised he's doing well for City. Very good goalkeeper and I'm sure he'll be considered one of the best in the world soon.
The one thing I doubted about this City side was whether they'd ever have the makeup to be as cynical, cute, physical and tenacious as Pep's Barcelona side.
Against us that proved they have that in abundance. And that's not a criticism, it's just an acknowledgement that they've evolved as a team and can win in more than one manner.
Surrounding the referee, winning free kicks with exaggerated fouls and wasting time - all ploys in which to win. Hell, Mourinho is the past master as such an approach - he's just been dealt a taste of his own medicine.
It'll stand City in very good stead that. Sadly.
Against us that proved they have that in abundance. And that's not a criticism, it's just an acknowledgement that they've evolved as a team and can win in more than one manner.
Surrounding the referee, winning free kicks with exaggerated fouls and wasting time - all ploys in which to win. Hell, Mourinho is the past master as such an approach - he's just been dealt a taste of his own medicine.
It'll stand City in very good stead that. Sadly.
We played exactly like we do vs every team who park the bus. We just kept the ball, let them chase and were in not too much of a panic to open them up. The change with Jesus pulling wide and Sterling drifting it was to try and pull a CB out of position. Honestly this was like West Ham again (and no offence but West Ham did it better).
I think its the fact we only see the negative narratives about our own sides. Take Arsenal for example, according to them 99% of stories about them are how soft and lazy they are but in reality, its one of many things written about them. I try and remember the good articles about City as much as the bad but then again maybe my view is tainted as the only football forum I find enjoyable and welcoming is a United one.
Honorable as is United have achieved theirs through self sufficient means and are a top team on merit.
Dunno what you’re rambling about, it has nothing to do with his pre-match comments. Having watched a lot of City this season I know you engage in shithousery just like any other team if not more. Your tiny midgets are ultra aggressive in press and are happy to snap at heels and kick at opposition if necessary just like we saw today. Only difference is you’re not called out for it as often since it’s small and weaker players doing it and not the big powerful ‘thugs’.
Also get over yourself, this discussion is not about Mourinho.
When have I ever said we don't like I said the issue is posting over the top hypocrisy.
So are you going to call United "shit housery pulling big powerful thugs"? No? Thought not, very definition of hypocrisy no?
Stop being so salty, you played an aggressive cynical game and dived like feck, we played a aggresive cyncial game and dived like feck but lucky for us we had Lukaku with 2 great assists.
There wasn't a single mention of our tactical fouling on this forum before Jose said it. Lets face it, now you are trying to make out high pressing and snapping at heals is against the rules. Yes it gives away fouls but I counted maybe 3 intentional tactical fouls from us today and at least as many from United. Even your manager said the ref had a good game bar the penalty decision (which he got correct).
To be fair, Pep walked into a team with De Bruyne and Silva, only player of those types we have is Pogba, who Mourinho bought. And I don't need to tell you how expensive players of that quality are. Mourinho is playing catch up but he's been here 18 months now and the only one of his signings that at this stage you can describe as a flop is probably Mkhitaryan. With LVG in his first 18 months you'd struggle to pick out ONE signing that wasn't a flop. So yeah I think there should be some perspective before we start sticking the knife into Mourinho and lining the red carpet for Pep, as fantastically well as city are doing. Pep has his complete squad now, everything he asked for he now has. There is no way Mourinho has all want he currently needs or wants and that was shown by how frustrated he was with our deals in the summer.