Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

TheeAma said:
Why i hate City and can never accept them. They had nothing before the money, Chelsea were winning a few pots here and there before the money but we were on verge of challenging for top 4 without the money when we got the money we were killed for it now that City has the money no one in the media opens their mouths about it, no one say they buy the league and if you say it your just being bitter.

While Man Utd spent loads, they generate enough money to spend that much money City on the other hand they generate nothing and all they have is their owner paying off a few companies to pump them up with so called sponsorship deals which everyone in football knows City don't make enough money to spend that much money but no one says anything about it, no one calls them out on it they get a free ride and Pep the so called Jesus of football who is as big as a cnut as Jose is.

I pray that they have a Kegan meltdown this season, the sooner pep leaves the better.
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I used to feel this way, but if you actually think about it Man Utd only have the money because we were lucky we joined the money train with our successes at the right time. It's a bit like buying Bitcoin a few years back and selling now. Massive profits and no ordinary individuals can compete with that.

So yes whilst it's not a good a story to pay the way to success, we have ultimately been doing the same spending our bitcoin winnings and bitcoin reinvestment so to speak!

Bottom line no point being bitter about it. Fair play to them and their fans. I'm sure they are enjoying the ride, much the way we did.
 
Richard Cranium said:
It was right for Mourinho to do it. He had a far better season tha Pep last season yet endured constant criticism from all angles while Pep was a media love-in despite wanting to retire in January after struggling to beat Burnley.

There's a difference between celebrating a European trophy and bringing confetti to a derby game. Leagues aren't won in December.
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I think the point of the celebration was that they had made history by setting a new consecutive PL win record and ended your unbeaten at home record attempt. Added impetus would have been provided by Jose attempting to influence officials by slagging off their ability to stand up and accusing them of cynical fouling.

They deserved their celebration and only a poor loser would say otherwise.
 
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Rams said:
It’s not though. If you analyze what both clubs expenditure have been over the past years then City stand way ahead. And even if it was the same, United’s expenditure is in line with what they earn.
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It really is. During the last 5 seasons (when both teams had a total change in the squads) we have spent less than 100m pounds than City (less than 20m in average per season) while having a higher wage bill. Essentially, we have spent as much as them.

Players that haven't been signed during those years from City are: Aguero, Silva, Kompany and Toure (but only the first two count) while for United: De Gea, Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones and Carrick (ok, Carrick doesn't count). So the difference is on how the money was spent, not the amount of money spent.
 
Revan said:
It really is. During the last 5 seasons (when both teams had a total change in the squads) we have spent less than 100m pounds than City (less than 20m in average per season) while having a higher wage bill. Essentially, we have spent as much as them.

Players that haven't been signed during those years from City are: Aguero, Silva, Kompany and Toure (but only the first two count) while for United: De Gea, Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones and Carrick (ok, Carrick doesn't count). So the difference is on how the money was spent, not the amount of money spent.
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Nar @Revan, the difference is the timing of the money spent.
 
Revan said:
It really is. During the last 5 seasons (when both teams had a total change in the squads) we have spent less than 100m pounds than City (less than 20m in average per season) while having a higher wage bill. Essentially, we have spent as much as them.

Players that haven't been signed during those years from City are: Aguero, Silva, Kompany and Toure (but only the first two count) while for United: De Gea, Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones and Carrick (ok, Carrick doesn't count). So the difference is on how the money was spent, not the amount of money spent.
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You’re missing the point. United are spending within their means; ie they are a sound business who’s expenditure is based upon their commercial value. City’s commercial values is far far lower. They don’t generate the same income and their Ethiad sponsorship is a joke. City are basically a state run none profit organization. That can’t be fair. And I haven’t even touched on the insane amount of money City have spent on their infrastructure as well, it’s not just on the pitch where City are spending insane amounts of money.
 
It’s actually not United who are suffering from the lack of financial fair play, United have enough financial clout to look after themselves. It’s clubs like Ajax and Celtic who are really the victims.
 
Rams said:
It’s actually not United who are suffering from the lack of financial fair play, United have enough financial clout to look after themselves. It’s clubs like Ajax and Celtic who are really the victims.
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The Bosman ruling had more of an effect.
 
Rams said:
You’re missing the point. United are spending within their means; ie they are a sound business who’s expenditure is based upon their commercial value. City’s commercial values is far far lower. They don’t generate the same income and their Ethiad sponsorship is a joke. City are basically a state run none profit organization. That can’t be fair. And I haven’t even touched on the insane amount of money City have spent on their infrastructure as well, it’s not just on the pitch where City are spending insane amounts of money.
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Sorry, I don't buy the 'born rich, or die poor' argument that you are making. Because the rules are rigged and favor the rich clubs, poor clubs have no way whatsoever of breaking the status-quo. Unless, someone helps them. And if you go with this type of logic, then United shouldn't exist now considering that during our history, third parties saved our arses while we were almost going bankrupt.

I find it hypocritical United fans complaining about the money in the game, while we break transfer records left and right.
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Nar @Revan, the difference is the timing of the money spent.
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We've spent the same amount of money during the same period, so what timing I am missing?
 
Revan said:
Sorry, I don't buy the 'born rich, or die poor' argument that you are making. Because the rules are rigged and favor the rich clubs, poor clubs have no way whatsoever of breaking the status-quo. Unless, someone helps them. And if you go with this type of logic, then United shouldn't exist now considering that during our history, third parties saved our arses while we were almost going bankrupt.

I find it hypocritical United fans complaining about the money in the game, while we break transfer records left and right.

We've spent the same amount of money during the same period, so what timing I am missing?
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I’m not making a born rich die poor argument. I don’t have a problem with clubs spending insane amounts of money as long as it’s in line with their commercial value. Can anyone objectively claim that City’s and PSG’s expenditure is in line with their commercial value?
 
Richard Cranium said:
There you go again, I didn't say that. My point was that the song United sang was more than just about City, it's a well known United song. The City one is solely a dig at United.
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Are you always so easily offended?
As for calling me a troll, I’m sorry but there’s no way I’m letting that one go. If I was a troll, I wouldn’t be posting in that thread of Sultan’s, for example, and offering my support after he had his season tickets confiscated. Just out of interest, I don’t recall you posting in that thread yet a City fan can take the time to offer up his support.

I might have moments on here where I don’t exactly cover myself in glory but that doesn’t make me a troll. You, on the other hand, are always trying to wind City fans up - and then start getting all upset when it comes on top.
 
Rams said:
I’m not making a born rich die poor argument. I don’t have a problem with clubs spending insane amounts of money as long as it’s in line with their commercial value. Can anyone objectively claim that City’s and PSG’s expenditure is in line with their commercial value?
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You are making exactly that argument. Because there are 4 clubs in the world who can spend far more than any other club, and the only way for the other clubs to be competitive is by doing what City, Chelsea and Paris did. There is absolutely no other way of breaking the status quo.

United fans talking about their way of 'fairness' which is us spending far more than any other club in the league, is as hypocritical as it can get.
 
Edinburgh said:
Why is inevitable to waste a fortune catching up?

city hit a lottery known as the Abu Dhabi lottery. But United hit a similar lottery 25 or so years ago - started with Sky and followed immediately by the internet. The money pumped into football changed astronomically just when Utd went through a good phase so they hoovered up a lot of it. Football has changed completely as a result of the world becoming so much smaller. Just have to accept it's different and that's why you are now as likely to be next to a tourist on Derby day as a local. (Which by the way is shit - but the way of the world)
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Mate, there's absolutely no comparison between what United did in the 90s and what City did now.

United bought good (generally cheap) players, invested in the youth academy and built the commercial side of the club. They basically built a sensible, sustainable business and there was zero luck involved.

City have just been plucked from obscurity by a Middle Eastern billionaire through no merit of their own. They could barely have been run worse before the takeover and it was all down to luck.

But to be honest I'm sick of arguing this point. If people aren't arsed about this comparison then that's fair enough. Guess we've got to accept that City have the money and, until the rules are changed, we've got to deal with it.
 
Revan said:
We've spent the same amount of money during the same period, so what timing I am missing?
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That we've had to make our biggest and most pressing purchases at a time in which transfer fees went bananas. Lukuka and Pogba have therefore skewed the numbers somewhat.

The fact that 2 of City's best players were bought before that period also skews it.

But I don't disagree that we've used much of our money poorly. Mourinho, thank feck, seems to be at least fixing that.
 
Blue doomer said:
Mate. All clubs do it on their rivals. Nothing different to what Lingard orchestrated last season.
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True.

Back in 96 United players were singing the City Wonderwall song on the bus after winning the cup final. Let's not get our knickers in a twist over this.
 
Harun said:


I can see why there was a fight last week. Can't stand these cnuts.
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Don't mind this at all. All part of the rivalry. But, show it to our players to have in mind for the future.

Also, they flew so high while actually won nothing. And while EPL seems done deal, Pep is here because of CL as the big project is to put City among the very elite. To do that CL is a must.
 
Random Task said:
Surprises me that you fail to see how inappropriate and offensive it is to inject such a narrative in to a conversation that is based, primarly, around football.

Think again.
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You’re missing the point mate. At the time it happened, Lingard and co received a lot of flak from all quarters for the exact reason I mentioned, including United fans, so were all those people being inappropriate and offensive as well?

I’m not bringing it up to score points - I was merely responding to my learned friend Richard Cranium who tried to claim there was nothing wrong with it, while claiming the City players singing Park the bus are small-time.
 
JohnnyKills said:
True.

Back in 96 United players were singing the City Wonderwall song on the bus after winning the cup final. Let's not get our knickers in a twist over this.
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Stick the footage up so I can get outraged about it ;)
 
Adisa said:
Discussing their money is irrelevant to me and a cop out.
We need to win and the discussion should be how we can be better than them.
Some of our tactics put us at a natural disadvantage.
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Yea I cannot agree more. Too much talk about money and the need for us to buy. While we could really use upgrades in a couple of positions, it's not the main factor why we're behind them. It's the way Pep has gotten City playing and the attributes he's cultivated among the players. Namely movement, ball circulation and passing.
 
I get them lording it over us after the derby but beating a struggling spurs at home?

You’d think a trophy had been airbrushed out of those dressing room celebration photos.
 
It really doesn't bother me at all. I actually chuckled and not because I thought they were being small time, it was for the fact that what they did sets them up for a fall. They aren't always gonna be this good. Not to mention it will surely spur our players on.

The PL is surely in their hands... But could you imagine if they feck it up and lose out to us after this? :lol:
 
It's not a big deal. Rivals mock each other all the time.
Does it wind you up? Sure it does.
But if our players have anything about them it will fire their bellies.
I'm not sure it will though which even makes it more upsetting.
 
It's pathetic how Pep has been celebrating like he's won the CL every time they scored in the last few games. It's obvious he knows they wouldn't have won a few of the last games 9 times out of 10. He looks desperate. It's obvious that their play hasn't been there lately, the luck has to run out sooner or later.
 
Adisa said:
It's not a big deal. Rivals mock each other all the time.
Does it wind you up? Sure it does.
But if our players have anything about them it will fire their bellies.
I'm not sure it will though which even makes it more upsetting.
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Don't think the fighting spirit and desire is a problem with our players.
 
Really can't stand those City pricks.

Everyone of our legends was always a class act on and off the pitch. Can't say a bad word about Scholes, Giggs, Cantona, Charlton or Best.
 
How are people surprised...Guardiola teams brandish imaginary yellows and disrespect the ref virtually every game. Do people not remember his Barcelona teams' antics on the field?
 
Schneckerl said:
Really can't stand those City pricks.

Everyone of our legends was always a class act on and off the pitch. Can't say a bad word about Scholes, Giggs, Cantona, Charlton or Best.
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I don't think you though this through chief...
 
breakout67 said:
How are people surprised...Guardiola teams brandish imaginary yellows and disrespect the ref virtually every game. Do people not remember his Barcelona teams' antics on the field?
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I hate City and I agree Pep's Barca team had a cynical side to them but show me a team that is beyond reproach these days? They don't exist.
 
The Brown Bull said:
I hate City and I agree Pep's Barca team had a cynical side to them but show me a team that is beyond reproach these days? They don't exist.
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This is a Manchester City thread, so I said what was relevant about City. Not once did I say that other teams are squeaky clean.
 
The one silver lining in this is that when City go unbeaten, score 15+ more points than Arsenal did and have greater success in other competitions, the "invincibles" will hopefully be reassessed.
 
M18CTID said:
You’re missing the point mate. At the time it happened, Lingard and co received a lot of flak from all quarters for the exact reason I mentioned, including United fans, so were all those people being inappropriate and offensive as well?

I’m not bringing it up to score points - I was merely responding to my learned friend Richard Cranium who tried to claim there was nothing wrong with it, while claiming the City players singing Park the bus are small-time.
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Yes they were. The song you are referring to was in no way related to the Manchester terror attack and anyone whom would claim otherwise is an idiot. A tragedy such as the aformentioned should be kept well away from football.

For what it's worth I agree with you. A few songs sung between the players in the spirit of banter is hardly something to get up in arms about. It isn't personal for either set of players, they are very likely good friends off the pitch.
 
If recent weeks are anything to go by we’ve got a tough run of games leading up to the trip to Anfield - Bmouth H, Newcastle A, Palace A, Watford H.

You’d expect City to win those but it doesn’t work like that does it. I’m always going in to games expecting to drop points now purely on the basis of law of averages.
 
breakout67 said:
How are people surprised...Guardiola teams brandish imaginary yellows and disrespect the ref virtually every game. Do people not remember his Barcelona teams' antics on the field?
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I remember his Bayern teams and they were not like that.
 
Janson said:
It's pathetic how Pep has been celebrating like he's won the CL every time they scored in the last few games. It's obvious he knows they wouldn't have won a few of the last games 9 times out of 10. He looks desperate. It's obvious that their play hasn't been there lately, the luck has to run out sooner or later.
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Everybody’s been saying that there has to be a dip in form, it came and we still managed to scrape out wins from it. Another one will come and we’ll need to try to do the same again. Yesterday was not in that bracket though, back to our best. Hopefully we see a few games at that level again now before another dip.
 
There's some chatter on Twitter that Silva has contracted leukemia. Tell me I'm being trolled by children in Angola??

*edit this is just some twitter guff I've read. Don't want to alarm anyone. It's completely unverified.
 
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