"Blackface" Discussion

vi1lain said:
To be fair, I hope his posts highlight just how ridiculous it is for people to actually defend the act of blacking up.
He’s arguing the same things, just far more extreme and ignorant.
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I'm almost tempted to believe he's actually trying to highlight how stupid the people defending it sound by doing an over-the-top parody of them. Almost.

I understand people defending Griezmann for doing it. It was dumb, but not malicious. He deserves some criticism, but shouldn't be lambasted. The people falling over themselves to defend blackface? Dicks. If you didn't know it was considered offensive, or why? Well, now you do, and if you're still defending it, you're a bit of a dick.
carvajal said:
Imagine that a black person wins the draw to be white(not so easy because there are not so much black population),and he paints his face ,using as well a white beard. Would It be racism?.
Or if in a party I pretend to be scandinavian,with a pale face and blond hair.
Treating these things in a different way is what should be considered racism
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There's not really a history of black people whiting up and portraying us a slow-witted simpletons, so no, treating them differently is not racism. Thinking they are they same is massively ignorant, though.
 
Rob67 said:
Why do some people feel the need to be offended on other people's behalf? How many black people were upset by his actions?
If a black person wore fancy dress as say Tom Hanks and dressed in all the gear and whitened his face, I wouldn't think many white people would feel offended.
If some black people were genuinely offended by Griezmann, then it obviously wasn't a good move by him, but I do feel that some people overreact.
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Another wind up merchant I see.
 
carvajal said:
I don't know anybody Who ever cared about that.The petition is not exactly massive.
What should do the small towns without inmigrants? Use a mask?
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Find a tradition not reliant on blacking up, or you know, just put someone in a crown and be like, "lads he's Balthazar" and leave it there. There's no need for blackface.
 
@Ajaxsuarez I think she is referring to the fact that few places were left untouched by Europe's colonialism (and subsequent racism and slave trade) and it is erroneous to suggest that this kind of thing is somehow unique to Anglo saxon culture.

As I said above, I've heard this kind of thing (not necessarily specifically about blackface) around the world. It's very rarely right.

Not to mention the fact that this culture is the undoubted leader in exporting its culture abroad even now.
 
carvajal said:
Imagine that a black person wins the draw to be white(not so easy because there are not so much black population),and he paints his face ,using as well a white beard. Would It be racism?.
Or if in a party I pretend to be scandinavian,with a pale face and blond hair.
Treating these things in a different way is what should be considered racism
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Racism and discrimination is usually applied to the minority. Doesn't make sense to apply it to what is considered the upper class - usually white.

On the topic think people are way too precious nowadays. It's a party ffs..
 
Rob67 said:
Why do some people feel the need to be offended on other people's behalf? How many black people were upset by his actions?
If a black person wore fancy dress as say Tom Hanks and dressed in all the gear and whitened his face, I wouldn't think many white people would feel offended.
If some black people were genuinely offended by Griezmann, then it obviously wasn't a good move by him, but I do feel that some people overreact.
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There are a number of black people in this thread who have spoken in this issue including myself.
Also black face and white face are not comparable as talked about in this thread also.

In short, read the thread.

Jesus Christ.
 
africanspur said:
Win the draw to be white? What?

In what party are you going dressed as a Scandinavian exactly? Perhaps someone else could go as a true African, with black face, tribal costume and spear too? Just to really make the costume even more authentic.

Do you genuinely think a Spaniard dressing up as a 'Scandinavian' and apparently painting his face white (for whatever reason) is the same as going as a random African and painting yourself black?
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For me to treat this in a different way depending on the case it's a bigger example of racism.Yes,there is a public draw and you can be black or one if the 2 White old kings.Nobody was worried about this and I've seen all kinds of kings.
Anyway sorry if people feels upset
 
africanspur said:
@Ajaxsuarez I think she is referring to the fact that few places were left untouched by Europe's colonialism (and subsequent racism and slave trade) and it is erroneous to suggest that this kind of thing is somehow unique to Anglo saxon culture.

As I said above, I've heard this kind of thing (not necessarily specifically about blackface) around the world. It's very rarely right.

Not to mention the fact that this culture is the undoubted leader in exporting its culture abroad even now.
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Thank you.
 
If it wasn't for the famous, instantly recognisable kit, Griezmann would be rightly accused of ridiculing black people.
 
Rob said:
He's deleted it now. Does anyone have it or care to explain what he did?
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Griezmann misjudged the skin cosmetics element of a fan tribute basketball costume he wore to a fancy dress party.
 
In this day and age it is baffling how some people remain ignorant of the issues surrounding 'blackface'. Its quite clear that Griezmann meant nothing by it; and it was a genuine mistake on his part. A simple recognition and apology should resolve the matter. Nothing more; nothing less.
 
Stop Wumming
vi1lain said:
There are a number of black people in this thread who have spoken in this issue including myself.
Also black face and white face are not comparable as talked about in this thread also.

In short, read the thread.

Jesus Christ.
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Just my opinion on the subject.
As a Christian, I find your use of 'Jesus Christ' very offensive.
An apology will suffice.
 
carvajal said:
Imagine that a black person wins the draw to be white(not so easy because there are not so much black population),and he paints his face ,using as well a white beard. Would It be racism?.
Or if in a party I pretend to be scandinavian,with a pale face and blond hair.
Treating these things in a different way is what should be considered racism
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In what weird scenario would anyone have to dress as a generic white person or a generic Scandinavian? And in this weird scenario where they do, there are still a million other ways to portray generic white person and generic Scandinavian without changing the colour of your skin.
 
Rob67 said:
Just my opinion on the subject.
As a Christian, I find your use of 'Jesus Christ' very offensive.
An apology will suffice.
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Stop wumming. You've got limited posts in the main forums per day and you're wasting them by going on the wind up.
 
Rob67 said:
Just my opinion on the subject.
As a Christian, I find your use of 'Jesus Christ' very offensive.
An apology will suffice.
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Considering you can’t decipher the tone in my use of ‘Jesus christ’ You shouldn’t make assumptions.

Furthermore, the use of ‘Jesus Christ’ being deemed as an insult to Christianity is a social construct, not a religious one.

You can dream of thinking you’ll get an apology out of me.
 
I’m brown. This is my personal opinion if say a white mate dressed as an Indian and paints himself brown. I’d find it hilarious. This would probably be at a private function and so the person would know the taste of most the guests attending.

However it’s different when you’re in the public eye and you have to be respectful. Being a celebrity means you have certain restrictions. Unfortunately for them they can’t have as much banter, but they’re getting paid a shit load so sacrifices must be made.
 
GeorgieBoy said:
In this day and age it is baffling how some people remain ignorant of the issues surrounding 'blackface'. Its quite clear that Griezmann meant nothing by it; and it was a genuine mistake on his part. A simple recognition and apology should resolve the matter. Nothing more; nothing less.
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Yeah, he did apologize too.
 
GeorgieBoy said:
In this day and age it is baffling how some people remain ignorant of the issues surrounding 'blackface'. Its quite clear that Griezmann meant nothing by it; and it was a genuine mistake on his part. A simple recognition and apology should resolve the matter. Nothing more; nothing less.
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How are you meant to know if you've never come across it? This is the first time I'm seeing it depicted as such and thought there was nothing wrong originally wondering why there were 16 pages of arguments here. Seems to be more of a big thing in the states hence why everyone seems to have more knowledge of it.
 
For somebody that has many black team mates especially with the national team, I don't believe there's any malice behind it, however at best it's incredibly naive, insensitive and idiotic of him and people have the right to feel offended if they so wish and he rightly owed an apology.
 
GeorgieBoy said:
In this day and age it is baffling how some people remain ignorant of the issues surrounding 'blackface'. Its quite clear that Griezmann meant nothing by it; and it was a genuine mistake on his part. A simple recognition and apology should resolve the matter. Nothing more; nothing less.
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So why the overdone make-up, leaving only a wide smile visible in the photo? Why the afro-style wig (a hairstyle many white people view as 'hilarious')? The Globetrotters had white players...so why did Griezmann go for comic-effect instead of proper homage? If only he possessed the humour and imaginative flair of his supposed heroes...
 
Andy_Cole said:
I’m brown. This is my personal opinion if say a white mate dressed as an Indian and paints himself brown. I’d find it hilarious. This would probably be at a private function and so the person would know the taste of most the guests attending.

However it’s different when you’re in the public eye and you have to be respectful. Being a celebrity means you have certain restrictions. Unfortunately for them they can’t have as much banter, but they’re getting paid a shit load so sacrifices must be made.
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I think this is the major issue. I'm white and if a non-white person dressed up as David Beckham for example I wouldn't be bothered. The difference here is that 'blackface' used to be widely used as a way of mocking black people in the past.
 
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Alex99 said:
Stop wumming. You've got limited posts in the main forums per day and you're wasting them by going on the wind up.
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Genuinely not on a wind up. I just feel that some people jump at the chance to be offended on behalf of other people.
Anyway, just my opinion, as I've said.
Why is someone with a different opinion from the majority automatically classed as a WUM.
Won't be posting again on this thread. Thanks for your advice.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Have you read anything in this thread?

FFS, go and educate yourself on the topic and then contribute to it.
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Ok master, Griezmann painted his face without any bad intention and I gave a similar example,from a party with kids where nobody it's offended
 
carvajal said:
For me to treat this in a different way depending on the case it's a bigger example of racism.Yes,there is a public draw and you can be black or one if the 2 White old kings.Nobody was worried about this and I've seen all kinds of kings.
Anyway sorry if people feels upset
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As I said, I'm not upset, worse things do happen.

Ah right, I get what you mean now about being drawn to be white.

I think black face is much more racist, considering the historial context especially but I think I'll just leave it there. It's clearly very difficult to change entrenched opinion on this and am online forum is probably not the best platform to do so anyway.

¡Que vaya bien!
 
Rob67 said:
Genuinely not on a wind up. I just feel that some people jump at the chance to be offended on behalf of other people.
Anyway, just my opinion, as I've said.
Why is someone with a different opinion from the majority automatically classed as a WUM.
Won't be posting again on this thread. Thanks for your advice.
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Your initial post said that people were getting offended on behalf of others, with you then implying that no black people were actually offended.

vi1lain then responded to you confirming that a number of black people had spoken about the issue, including her.

Your response to that was to go "you said Jesus Christ and I'm a Christian please say sorry."

You were wumming.

You may well believe that people are quick to get offended on behalf of others, and perhaps overreact to things. However, you did not express that sentiment, and this thread is certainly not the place to be raising that point.
 
I always love these debates because there are always people that take their opinion as fact on a said subject. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're are wrong and you are right.

I think the vast majority of people know he shouldn't have done what he did. But whether someone is offended by what he did, everyone has a different scale on what offends them.
 
Rob67 said:
Just my opinion on the subject.
As a Christian, I find your use of 'Jesus Christ' very offensive.
An apology will suffice.
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Did... did you just tell a black person, who's explaining why blackface is offensive, that them using 'Jesus Christ' is offensive? As if it's in anyway comparable? Regardless of how seriously you meant, that's shockingly fecking tone-deaf. Holy shit, guy.
 
Genuine question: -
Was Robert Downey Jr's role in Tropic Thunder racist?
Not condoning with what Greizmann's done here btw
 
Josep Dowling said:
I always love these debates because there are always people that take their opinion as fact on a said subject. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're are wrong and you are right.

I think the vast majority of people know he shouldn't have done what he did. But whether someone is offended by what he did, everyone has a different scale on what offends them.
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That's the worrying part.

There seems a lot of people who can't understand why it is offensive.
 
Josep Dowling said:
I always love these debates because there are always people that take their opinion as fact on a said subject. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're are wrong and you are right.

I think the vast majority of people know he shouldn't have done what he did. But whether someone is offended by what he did, everyone has a different scale on what offends them.
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I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here, but in cases where there is clear and abundant body of evidence of something being used to discriminate, denigrate and humiliate an entire race, there is no excuse for even questioning the degree in which someone is offended by that thing.
 
Josep Dowling said:
I always love these debates because there are always people that take their opinion as fact on a said subject. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're are wrong and you are right.

I think the vast majority of people know he shouldn't have done what he did. But whether someone is offended by what he did, everyone has a different scale on what offends them.
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And that's where the problem lies, I will laugh at tasteless jokes but I am perfectly aware of their tasteless nature. My lack of taste doesn't make them potentially less offensive and it seems that people struggle with that paradox.
 
GeorgieBoy said:
I think this is the major issue. I'm white and if a non-white person dressed up as David Beckham for example I wouldn't be bothered. The difference here is that 'blackface' used to be widely used as a way of mocking black people in the past.
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Aha I’ve dressed as Becks before. However I didn’t paint myself white.
 
FCBarca said:
Agree as well. I don't know the player well enough to weigh in on whether he's actually racist or not, who can? Most can agree he's a bit thick for doing what he did but I also thought the Spanish NT in Basketball were similarly thick when they took a bizarre photo ahead of the Beijing Olympics

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Well I think, it was more about not giving much thought about it, rather than being a stupid person.
Since he does not know about the history of blackface, he cannot be branded as an idiot for that.
But the best he can do is, apologize and delete the tweet, which he has done.

Alex99 said:
I mean, he is definitely an idiot
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Or that he did not gave much thought to it?


africanspur said:
I haven't read the entire thread so may well have missed it but so far, I haven't seen anyone here acting as if griezmann has committed a crime or deserves to be called a bigot?

I'm sure there are more than a few on social media but then again, that platform seems to attract people insistent on making hyperbolic out there statements to get attention.
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obviously nobody outright called him racist or committed crime.
 
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