Agreed. I’ve been dismayed at some of the shockingly ignorant or downright stupid posts I’ve read from posters I previously regarded as intelligent or culturally aware.
"Blackface" Discussion
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Agreed. I’ve been dismayed at some of the shockingly ignorant or downright stupid posts I’ve read from posters I previously regarded as intelligent or culturally aware.
He has been deemed stupid not racist. The fake outrage around Griezmann being allegedly considered racist is actually quite funny when you think about it.
I did read it. You just misinterpreted his post. I don't you're dim for having done so, but you still misread what he wrote.
He wasn't dressing as black person. He was dressing as a basketball player and decided that he needed to black up to do so. It was wholly unnecessary.
Would we have understood that he was a Harlem Globetrotter if he was just wearing a Harlem Globetrotter uniform? Yes. Even if he wanted to dress up as a specific Globetrotter that happened to be black, literally all he needed to do was get a shirt with their name on the back and people would have gone "oh, you're him are you?" and he could have gone "yes". There was no need for the paint, and no real need for the afro.
There has been almost no one on here that has said he's racist, just stupid. However, there have been countless people coming in and going "WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING HE'S RACIST AND TREATING HIM LIKE A CRIMINAL?"
Well done lads, we've reached a point where someone is earnestly pushing a scenario where wearing a swastika in a Jewish neighbourhood is okay. 2017 is wild, man.
Blacking up your skin is racist. But he hasn’t proved himself to be racist, nobody has called him racist.
Define “real” racism?
If you can’t identify that blackface is racist, then I’m worried you only view racism when it’s presented in extremes such as the N word, and are wilfully ignorant to the much more common aspects of racism.
I'm not defending Griezmann but to call other posters unintelligent just because they hold a different opinion to you just seems ignorant in itself.
Manslaughter implies recklessness, which would be the equivalent of Griezmann looking like a racial mocking version of blackface as used in the past. I think there was no malice in his depiction and therefore it's not equivalent to manslaughter.
Or in other words anyone offended by this is clearly over sensitive in my opinion and really have no reason to be offended.
Added to this to be offended also suggests a level of racism, ie. Griezmann is white so can't act imitate a black character. That in itself is racial segregation as opposed to inclusion and is therefore racist.
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So it's racist to condemn a white person for being racist to black people. My head hurts
Well done lads, we've reached a point where someone is earnestly pushing a scenario where wearing a swastika in a Jewish neighbourhood is okay. 2017 is wild, man.
Your posts are genuinely stupid.
“To be offended suggests a level of racism” just shut up.
He could have been a globetrotter, he didn’t have to paint his skin. Can you understand that?
He's a footballer, so chances are intelligence isn't his strong suit. Racism for me has to have intent. And I dont believe it was intended to be racist. I just think he's ignorant to how this would come across.
Well done lads, we've reached a point where someone is earnestly pushing a scenario where wearing a swastika in a Jewish neighbourhood is okay. 2017 is wild, man.
Did I ever said putting swastika in a Jewish neighbourhood is okay, did you even read my other posts which followed up?
But it is okay, you seem to be one who enjoys belittling others because they do not hold same view as you.
carry on.
So it's racist to condemn a white person for being racist to black people. My head hurts
No it's racist to condemn a white person for impersonating a black character when there is clearly no racial malice.
In this case you might be right, but let's be honest he wanted to be black, because the best basketball players and the majority of the globetrotters are. Why is so bad to want to impersonate the best. It's like a white Mr T or a Black Prince William wouldn't have the same impact without makeup.
And no different to heidi klum going all out to be whatever she wants to be. Sure she could cut out all the movie makeup, but it wouldn't be so impressive would it.
They would be recognised but blacking up definitely adds that bit extra!
So even while accepting that blackface was completely unnecessary, you both see absolutely nothing wrong with doing so.
Great, thanks for confirming.
You don’t need to quote me ever again. Thanks.
Strange hill for some of you to die on. People are arguing for the right to offend people and claiming PC gone mad, SJWs taking over the world, nobody can take a joke and the good old 'people can't express themselves anymore'...
Boo fecking hoo
If you can't function in society without trying or needing to be an edgy prick then you need to look closer to home for the problem.
I want some of you to push the limits in your day to day lives just to see how far you can get with it. At some point someone like me is going to give you a slap for taking it too far.
Boo fecking hoo
If you can't function in society without trying or needing to be an edgy prick then you need to look closer to home for the problem.
I want some of you to push the limits in your day to day lives just to see how far you can get with it. At some point someone like me is going to give you a slap for taking it too far.
Some of the posts in this thread ......
Willful ignorance is a terrible thing
Willful ignorance is a terrible thing
But also don’t make fun of them for it, or tell them it’s offensive, ‘cos that’s not fair.
I fear we are going round in circles cos we're back to the bit where even if he wasn't deliberately trying to cause offence, some will understandably be offended.
And racist.
Strange hill for some of you to die on. People are arguing for the right to offend people and claiming PC gone mad, SJWs taking over the world, nobody can take a joke and the good old 'people can't express themselves anymore'...
Boo fecking hoo
If you can't function in society without trying or needing to be an edgy prick then you need to look closer to home for the problem.
I want some of you to push the limits in your day to day lives just to see how far you can get with it. At some point someone like me is going to give you a slap for taking it too far.
So if someone has a different opinion to you advocate violence?
I love how we're at the stage where something obviously racist is now being defended as so not racist that it is in fact racist to say it was racist.
A valid point I agree, but that still doesn't mean that someone who goes and colors his skin to resemble the person he's dressing up as is doing it with malicious intent. It was maybe a stupid thing to do in hindsight (just because the world is so over-sensitive) but the word racist is being thrown around way too liberally, which is really counterprodictive imo.
Viking fancy dress. Asterix and Oblix
A different opinion, is different to advocating for a practice which has been used to demean and humiliate black and Asian people for decades purely because you personally have no prob,me with it.
When you’ve lived your life the subject of such humiliation, not reacting in a civil manner can happen to the best of us.
The whole point of the terms 'black people' and 'white people' is to distinguish them by skin colour. If we group people into 'bald' and 'not bald', is it also offensive to point out that the first group indeed has no hair, hence the term 'bald'? I also can't show up at a costume party with a full head of hair and then claim to be Pierluigi Collina. If we accept that skin colour is just another feature of a human being and not something to discriminate against, then there is no need to treat it any differently than any other part of one's appearance. Surely that has to be the goal? Even if you don't agree with it, a lot of the posters condemning Griezmann seem to ignore the context. He didn't take part in a derogatory theatre play about black people, he was paying homage to a sports team he is a fan of.
Silly, ignorant thing to do but like most I believe there was absolutely no intended malice behind it. I just think he didn't realise the cultural and historical background of blackface so just ignorance on his part. People, especially those in the limelight, really would do themselves a flavour by playing it safe these days
We need a bottom line here, since I think most people agree.
1. Going to a party with blackface is wrong and can rightly been seen as racist.
2. Griezmann is probably not a racist, but just a bit thick.
3. This does not negate point 1.
4. Calling white chicks racist shows an alarming lack of historical perspective
5. Penises have caused rape, but this does not mean that all penises are indeed rapists
The end.
1. Going to a party with blackface is wrong and can rightly been seen as racist.
2. Griezmann is probably not a racist, but just a bit thick.
3. This does not negate point 1.
4. Calling white chicks racist shows an alarming lack of historical perspective
5. Penises have caused rape, but this does not mean that all penises are indeed rapists
The end.
Definitely racist. There’s no greater form of racism than being told it’s racist to do or say something casually racist. Checkmate libs!
As a black man, that has seen and been subjected to racism, acute and extreme throughout the course of my 40 odd years.
If I'm confronted with a bigot or someone who thinks it's funny to be racist, and that person chooses to double down and paint me as the problem. Yes I'm likely to put hands on them.... Sorry if you find that shocking.
Dressing up in black-face is a racist act, even if there is no malicious intent, it's still can be viewed as being racist. If someone tells an man who doesn't speak English they can address all black people the N Word, and he proceeds to do so... he is still committing a racist act, even if he doesn't realise that he's doing it - and who ever is on the receiving end has every right to be offended (because of all the reasons one would be offended by such word).
It's the same here, he might have zero malicious intent... it still doesn't change the fact that people a) view it as a racist act, and b) are offended by it. It's not over-sensitive, it just depends on how a person views it.
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That's Miley Cyrus as Lil Kim. She's dressed up as a black celeb, but didn't need to 'blacken' herself to be authentic, that's how easy it is not to be a moron
Well said.
That's Miley Cyrus as Lil Kim. She's dressed up as a black celeb, but didn't need to 'blacken' herself to be authentic, that's how easy it is not to be a moron
Well said.
This is a really interesting debate though because I'm intrigued at what is now deemed racist or not. This thread clearly shows that many have different barometers of what is deemed racist, which is usually to do with their background and upbringing etc. Quite clearly you are in the camp of it's very much racist but there are others that do not think it's a racist gesture because the intent was not there by Griezmann.
Nobody is ignoring the context.
Nobody is calling him racist.
However, don’t black up. There’s no excuse for it. There’s no justification especially given the historical aspect of it.
His intent wasn’t malicious but it was stupid, and completely unnecessary especially since everyone would have recognised him as a globetrotter without blacking up.
Strange hill for some of you to die on. People are arguing for the right to offend people and claiming PC gone mad, SJWs taking over the world, nobody can take a joke and the good old 'people can't express themselves anymore'...
Boo fecking hoo
If you can't function in society without trying or needing to be an edgy prick then you need to look closer to home for the problem.
I want some of you to push the limits in your day to day lives just to see how far you can get with it. At some point someone like me is going to give you a slap for taking it too far.
Sad thing is, there is actually an argument to be made for people becoming too "PC". Unfortunately, lately majority of the time, complaining about "PC culture" usually means "I'm annoyed I'm not allowed to get away with all the ignorant, racist shit I would have gotten away with a few years ago"
Last year in Holland someone was upset that some toy store had a holiday catalog which had a boy playing with toy cars and a girl playing with dolls. It was deemed sexist.Sad thing is, there is actually an argument to be made for people becoming too "PC". Unfortunately, lately majority of the time, complaining about "PC culture" usually means "I'm annoyed I'm not allowed to get away with all the ignorant, racist shit I would have gotten away with a few years ago"
Now that's too PC, painting your face black is just really stupid.
Honestly, this surprises me given that Sergio Ramos caused controversy by doing similar not so long ago.If I say that for me it's fine it's not for stubborness,to defend a national festival or anything like that.
I honestly never could have imagined that painting the face in black was racist,or a lack of respect.I simply treated the issue as something normal,meaning that we are all equal.Q vaya bien