"Blackface" Discussion

[Dumbat12]

It doesn't have to necessarily be guilt but more recognising mistakes from the past and being wary of repeating them. It's not as if racism being acceptable is some distant thing of the past either - in the US especially, you only have to go back a few decades to find a time when it was perfectly acceptable to discriminate against minorities. Plenty of people from that time period are still alive now. Similarly, other examples of racism have been highlighted in this thread - people may be afforded equal rights now thankfully, but that doesn't mean that racism has completely vanished, or that minorities aren't discriminated against at all.

And it will never vanish if you continue to push other people around like that. Everything was fine until a few yaers ago, things were moving at a slow pace, but you didn't have that much racism as you have today. The first black president in US history was elected. You wanna know why there is more racism today than just a few years ago? Because you push way too hard. There's nothing in the world today that liberals won't try to tie in with politics. Every single day you hear about Trump, about the oppression of black people, female equality... It gets boring after a while. These things take time, years, you can't just make people believe something is wrong just because you tell them to, or worse - force it down their throats. They'll only believe it's bad when they see and learn about it with their own eyes, and that will never happen with the current trend that's been going.

Again, look at the US - the current actual President believed that Obama wasn't born in America purely because of his race; he's currently the most powerful political figure in probably the world's most influential nation. And it's hardly the only controversial thing he's said when it comes to race, even if he'll try to disguise his prejudices.

He also said a lot of other things about other people - white men, women, mexicans, etc. He also said a lot of good things. Why his opinion of Obama be any different (or some form of racism) when he has trashed other white men in a similiar manner? Arnold for example? Liberals always try to equate hating someone of different color as racism when it may be as simple as him just not liking the guy.

...and here we go, the crux of the problem (as I suspected). You and others are arguing because you feel that you are being blamed for something. You're inventing positions and arguing against them, rewriting history and exaggerating and playing down different things all in some misguided attempt to absolve yourself of something that is in your own head.

I can't speak for others but I'm not blaming anyone in this thread for things they haven't done and I haven't seen anyone else doing this, so maybe you should ask yourself why you feel this way? I can't tell you because I can't relate to your position just like you can't relate to mine (minority/majority, history's, life experience, etc), but self reflection is always a good thing.

As for the rest of your post.... I'm not even going to engage.

Forgive me, but your name doesn't imply you would see reason or my point of view, so I'm not really going to go on a rant on why I feel this way. The gist of it is that the media constantly blames white people for everything. Liberals blame white men for their misery. Feminists constantly feel the need to degrade themselves in order to prove a point to some man. People of other color, mainly black people, constantly blame white people for the source of their problems. I can go on and on, but you get the point. When you mishmash all of these groups into one, you have a constant shit flinging at white people, specifically men, for the entire misery of the world.

Sure, I have no problem you talking about slavery. But why don't we put the focus on slaves instead of the slavers, shall we? Why? Because slavery is the disease, slavers are just the sympton. And everyone, even today practiced a form of slavery. Black people aren't excluded from that. Racism? Fine. Put the focus on that, not on the racists themselves, because racists come from all shapes of life and color. Or you somehow think that black people are immune to being racists? Because I can give you PLENTY examples of black racism.

 

[Cheesy]

And it will never vanish if you continue to push other people around like that. Everything was fine until a few yaers ago, things were moving at a slow pace, but you didn't have that much racism as you have today. The first black president in US history was elected. You wanna know why there is more racism today than just a few years ago? Because you push way too hard. There's nothing in the world today that liberals won't try to tie in with politics. Every single day you hear about Trump, about the oppression of black people, female equality... It gets boring after a while. These things take time, years, you can't just make people believe something is wrong just because you tell them to, or worse - force it down their throats. They'll only believe it's bad when they see and learn about it with their own eyes, and that will never happen with the current trend that's been going.

He also said a lot of other things about other people - white men, women, mexicans, etc. He also said a lot of good things. Why his opinion of Obama be any different (or some form of racism) when he has trashed other white men in a similiar manner? Arnold for example? Liberals always try to equate hating someone of different color as racism when it may be as simple as him just not liking the guy.

I'm more than willing to criticise certain aspects of how liberals go about things but the idea that someone being annoyed by liberals results in them becoming more racist is really, really bizarre, and tries to deflect criticism away from the actual racist and onto someone else. And saying 'everything was fine' is incredibly ignorant when you only have to go back a couple of generations to when it was absolutely fine for minorities to be discriminated against.

And the criticism of Obama is racist because there was no reason to come up with the birther theory other than due to the colour of Obama's skin. Trump himself has a Scottish mother but such theories of him not actually being American were never raised with him because he was a white guy. If you have an alternative explanation for the birther theory, and as to why it wasn't racist though, then fire ahead.

 

[Smores]

So this was circulating over the weekend at the darts championship final. (This is not the original tweet)

Aside from the intent, I’m wondering if anyone thinks this is racist but Antoine blacking up isn’t?

I would actually give this fella full marks for an accurate costume, hairstyle, even down the red nail polish and pearls - he actually made an effort to look like someone and picked up on all the details.
He’s clearly intentionally mocking her hence the ‘190’ sign, the blackface just makes this racist as well.
He’s not trying to portray an image or stereotype of all black people, but rather trying to portray an individual black person.

He intended to insult her, but he didn’t need the blackface to do that.

The thing with these is and tbh i feel the same is probably true for AG, they no doubt thought the blacking up aspect was funny. It's not just getting in costume, it was done for humour which is pretty crude.

Whether its 'racist' or not, its obviously just not a nice thing to do is it.

 

[afrocentricity]

And it will never vanish if you continue to push other people around like that. Everything was fine until a few yaers ago, things were moving at a slow pace, but you didn't have that much racism as you have today. The first black president in US history was elected. You wanna know why there is more racism today than just a few years ago? Because you push way too hard. There's nothing in the world today that liberals won't try to tie in with politics. Every single day you hear about Trump, about the oppression of black people, female equality... It gets boring after a while. These things take time, years, you can't just make people believe something is wrong just because you tell them to, or worse - force it down their throats. They'll only believe it's bad when they see and learn about it with their own eyes, and that will never happen with the current trend that's been going.


He also said a lot of other things about other people - white men, women, mexicans, etc. He also said a lot of good things. Why his opinion of Obama be any different (or some form of racism) when he has trashed other white men in a similiar manner? Arnold for example? Liberals always try to equate hating someone of different color as racism when it may be as simple as him just not liking the guy.


Forgive me, but your name doesn't imply you would see reason or my point of view, so I'm not really going to go on a rant on why I feel this way. The gist of it is that the media constantly blames white people for everything. Liberals blame white men for their misery. Feminists constantly feel the need to degrade themselves in order to prove a point to some man. People of other color, mainly black people, constantly blame white people for the source of their problems. I can go on and on, but you get the point. When you mishmash all of these groups into one, you have a constant shit flinging at white people, specifically men, for the entire misery of the world.

Sure, I have no problem you talking about slavery. But why don't we put the focus on slaves instead of the slavers, shall we? Why? Because slavery is the disease, slavers are just the sympton. And everyone, even today practiced a form of slavery. Black people aren't excluded from that. Racism? Fine. Put the focus on that, not on the racists themselves, because racists come from all shapes of life and color. Or you somehow think that black people are immune to being racists? Because I can give you PLENTY examples of black racism.

There you go, the name 'afrocentricity' triggered you. It says everything, why is that word problematic for you? So problematic in fact that you'll discount what I say?

You seem to be the stereotypical white victim I keep coming across. Everyone is against you. The media, the people whatever their colour but mostly blacks, feminists, the PC brigade, etc etc... Poor you huh? If you replace media with authorities, blacks with whites, PC brigade with alt right etc... It's the stereotype of the angry black man which I find interesting and hilarious. You probably don't realise it tho.

Let me tell you, nobody is really against you you've just been led to believe that, or maybe you want to. What you are doing isn't helping yourself or anyone else. This whataboutism doesn't win any arguments it just makes you feel better at the expense of others. I don't know what made you this way, but don't blame it on any off the above mate.... It's self inflicted for the most part. You're creating your own reality, revised history et al... You can carry on that way or you can try and think critically and empathetically, and step out of that bubble...

 

[JPRouve]

...and here we go, the crux of the problem (as I suspected). You and others are arguing because you feel that you are being blamed for something. You're inventing positions and arguing against them, rewriting history and exaggerating and playing down different things all in some misguided attempt to absolve yourself of something that is in your own head.

I can't speak for others but I'm not blaming anyone in this thread for things they haven't done and I haven't seen anyone else doing this, so maybe you should ask yourself why you feel this way? I can't tell you because I can't relate to your position just like you can't relate to mine (minority/majority, history's, life experience, etc), but self reflection is always a good thing.

As for the rest of your post.... I'm not even going to engage.

Funnily enough, I'm part of the minority and both sides of my family tree has slave owners and sellers, they both have racists too. I don't really have a problem with that fact, it doesn't change the way I should act towards others.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Got any friends born in 88?

Yeah, that's a bad argument. Nobody is trying to repeat slavery, as far as I know. Seems to me you people just want whites to feel ashamed for absolutely no reason. It's not like whites were the only ones who practiced slavery. If that was the case, then I would have seen some merit to your argument. But in the past virtually every single nation that has ever existed practiced it in one way or another. Africans enslaved other Africans, Arabs enslaved Africans in far crueler ways than Europeans did, European just bought these Africans from Arabs and other Africans. The Chinese, Indians, Persians, etc - everyone enslaved each toher.

Why the feck is the focus only on what white people did? Why don't you people try and put a focus on the problem as a whole instead of the usual "hurr durr evil white people enslaved peaceful Africans! Damn white devils and their crimes against humanity!". Sounds to me this is a form of thinly veiled racism towards white people in general, but hey - that's just me.

Everyone has the same rights these days. A black guy has the same opportunities as a white guy has, if he has the necessary qualities for the job (well, in some cases it appears they even have more rights, due to diversity quotas, I guess). Pushing more and more to the point of trying to make white people feeling guilty of what their ancestors did (what everyone else in history did) doesn't help you at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
Slavery never stopped. It's going on in houses in every major city in the world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsore...11151517/sex-slave-trade-britain-streets.html

 

[villain]

Such a simple but perfect post. To all the "Europeans" who have said that they can't be racist because they haven't seen black people.

The reason why race is such a big issue. Or sexual harassment has been such a big deal in the last year in the Uk/US is because they are issues that are actually being addressed and recognised. I'm half Nigerian and no one talks about domestic abuse in Nigeria but it dominates the landscape so much that its in our music, films etc but no one actually deals with it so no one says Nigeria has a domestic abuse problem.

Then you have some who talk about some utopian society which doesn't exist. Yeah it's all well and good saying in a ideal world there is no race. But we are not in an ideal world and only someone especially privileged in society would ever even try to suggest otherwise. I've lived my whole life in England, sound as English as anyone, dress well, talk with respect etc but everyday I suffer from some sort of racist incident. From people crossing the road because I'm walking towards them to my friends Making jokes about my hair. Ignoring all this doesn't make a better society and I'm sorry if it means at some point you have been racist but you should probably learn from that rather than ignore it.

Excellent post, especially the part about the micro aggressions such as people crossing the street, and fascination with your hair.
These are the things we have to deal with almost every day, so this idea of ignoring skin colour is a pipe dream when we aren’t given that luxury.

We can’t keep ignoring and denying racism just because it’s uncomfortable.

Yeah, that's a bad argument. Nobody is trying to repeat slavery, as far as I know. Seems to me you people just want whites to feel ashamed for absolutely no reason. It's not like whites were the only ones who practiced slavery. If that was the case, then I would have seen some merit to your argument. But in the past virtually every single nation that has ever existed practiced it in one way or another. Africans enslaved other Africans, Arabs enslaved Africans in far crueler ways than Europeans did, European just bought these Africans from Arabs and other Africans. The Chinese, Indians, Persians, etc - everyone enslaved each toher.

Why the feck is the focus only on what white people did? Why don't you people try and put a focus on the problem as a whole instead of the usual "hurr durr evil white people enslaved peaceful Africans! Damn white devils and their crimes against humanity!". Sounds to me this is a form of thinly veiled racism towards white people in general, but hey - that's just me.

Everyone has the same rights these days. A black guy has the same opportunities as a white guy has, if he has the necessary qualities for the job (well, in some cases it appears they even have more rights, due to diversity quotas, I guess). Pushing more and more to the point of trying to make white people feeling guilty of what their ancestors did (what everyone else in history did) doesn't help you at all.

Congratulations on not knowing a single thing that you’re talking about.
“Africans sold other Africans”
“Damn white devils”
“If you ask me, that’s racist towards white people”
“Everyone has equal rights”
“Diversity quotas”

We have a bingo. Do you feel better after spewing all that?

I’m glad more people are telling their true feelings.

 

[Dumbat12]

There you go, the name 'afrocentricity' triggered you. It says everything, why is that word problematic for you? So problematic in fact that you'll discount what I say?

Because I feared you would discount everything I said and you did exactly that. The only thing I was surprised that is that you haven't called me a racist... yet. I'm not angry at anything, I'm just really tired of hearing the same bullshit every single day. Whether in real life or on the internet, politics are always inserted into my daily life. Like this thread. 40 pages for what? Because Greizmann wore a "blackface"? So fecking what, man? Wear a white face, I don't give a damn and neither should anyone else. Why is everything in this day and age, coming from a white person, deemed racist?

Let me tell you, nobody is really against you you've just been led to believe that, or maybe you want to.

That's not really true and you would know that if, ironically, you didn't live in your bubble

Funnily enough, I'm part of the minority and both sides of my family tree has slave owners and sellers, they both have racists too. I don't really have a problem with that fact, it doesn't change the way I should act towards others.

Thank you. That's the whole point of it all - there's no single race, nation, ethnicity, culture or whatever that didn't practice slavery. Why are only whites blamed for it though? You never hear anything about the Arab slave trade, or the slavery practiced in China, Mongolia and Asia.

We're all guilty of it and we should all focus on the problem instead of focusing one just one group that once did it (and still does it, like everyone else).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
Slavery never stopped. It's going on in houses in every major city in the world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsore...11151517/sex-slave-trade-britain-streets.html

I never said it stopped. My point is that slavery exists everywhere in the world, it's just called by a different name now. Africa, Asia, Europe, America, Australia - there's slavery virtually every. But the point is, nobody is talking about slavery itself, but about how evil white people are because their ancestors brought slaves. I wouldn't have a problem if slavery itself was the focus, in fact I would encourage it, but that's never the case. Nobody talks about slavery except as an excuse to blame white people.

 

[Bury Red]

And it will never vanish if you continue to push other people around like that. Everything was fine until a few yaers ago, things were moving at a slow pace, but you didn't have that much racism as you have today. The first black president in US history was elected. You wanna know why there is more racism today than just a few years ago? Because you push way too hard. There's nothing in the world today that liberals won't try to tie in with politics. Every single day you hear about Trump, about the oppression of black people, female equality... It gets boring after a while. These things take time, years, you can't just make people believe something is wrong just because you tell them to, or worse - force it down their throats. They'll only believe it's bad when they see and learn about it with their own eyes, and that will never happen with the current trend that's been going.

There is no difference between races other than superficial genetic markers like melatonin levels, hair colour, eye colour etc all children should be born with equal opportunities and prospects and prejudice on such outdated grounds as race should be condemned as a historical mistake never to be repeated. These things don't have to take time and be dripfed into society, they are facts and must be instilled in the whole of society from here on and anyone standing in their way claiming things are going too fast is a racist.

All this "the liberals are picking on me, they're pushing me too hard" are just excuses to hang on to unearned racial privilege, it's bullshit and your whole argument is bullshit, you need to give your head a shake and wake up to the here and now. About the only point you get right is that racism is not exclusively white, but when you are fortunate enough to be born into the top tier of the racial pecking order it's a bit rich to believe that you shouldn't have to change the way you treat and view others just because you have seen examples of other races being equally bigoted.

 

[Dumbat12]

Congratulations on not knowing a single thing that you’re talking about.
“Africans sold other Africans”
“Damn white devils”
“If you ask me, that’s racist towards white people”
“Everyone has equal rights”
“Diversity quotas”

We have a bingo. Do you feel better after spewing all that?

I’m glad more people are telling their true feelings.

Yeah, I'm not wrong on any of that, though, am I? Stop being butthurt, I'm not here to coddle you.

 

[Fridge chutney]

So you're not forcing asians to not use the swastika in their culture and countries, which is a rational move since they live by other rules than you do.

Exactly, which makes Griezmann even more misguided given that he was portraying US culture, where blackface is a big no-no and is in fact racist.

 

[Dumbat12]

There is no difference between races other than superficial genetic markers like melatonin levels, hair colour, eye colour etc all children should be born with equal opportunities and prospects and prejudice on such outdated grounds as race should be condemned as a historical mistake never to be repeated. These things don't have to take time and be dripfed into society, they are facts and must be instilled in the whole of society from here on and anyone standing in their way claiming things are going too fast is a racist.

Yeah, call me a racist, what an unexpected argument. Your posts seems like a thinly veiled racism towards me, so how come I am the racist?

All this "the liberals are picking on me, they're pushing me too hard" are just excuses to hang on to unearned racial privilege, it's bullshit and your whole argument is bullshit, you need to give your head a shake and wake up to the here and now.

What privilege are you blabbing about, man? What privilege I have that a black guy doesn't have? Care to give me some examples?

About the only point you get right is that racism is not exclusively white, but when you are fortunate enough to be born into the top tier of the racial pecking order it's a bit rich to believe that you shouldn't have to change the way you treat and view others just because you have seen examples of other races being equally bigoted.

Oh yes, like white people can't be born into a poor environment. feck off. You sound like one of those mentally deranged liberals that can't get their heads out of their ass and see that poor white people and black people have it the same, rich white people and black people have it the same. You're the one that's being racist by claiming that white people have it better virtually for being white.

 

[JPRouve]

Thank you. That's the whole point of it all - there's no single race, nation, ethnicity, culture or whatever that didn't practice slavery. Why are only whites blamed for it though? You never hear anything about the Arab slave trade, or the slavery practiced in China, Mongolia and Asia.

We're all guilty of it and we should all focus on the problem instead of focusing one just one group that once did it (and still does it, like everyone else).

You don't have a point, it's stupid to make it a slavery subject because it has nothing to do with it. The problem is about mocking black skin, thinking that it's somehow a funny trait.

Edit: Also it's complete bullshit to pretend that only "whites" are blamed for slavery. If you knew more about the world you would have known that in Africa for example North Africans are criticized as much as "whites".

 

[Dumbat12]

You don't have a point, it's stupid to make it a slavery subject because it has nothing to do with it. The problem is about mocking black skin, thinking that it's somehow a funny trait.

Who the feck mocks black skin? Are you Greizmann's personal friend or something? That damn racist Griezmann who mocks black skins is best friends with Pogba! Sneaky racist... You're just projecting.

 

[MTF]

Just when it seemed to be dying down... a wild nuclear weapon appears.

 

[Cheesy]

Who the feck mocks black skin? Are you Greizmann's personal friend or something? That damn racist Griezmann who mocks black skins is best friends with Pogba! Sneaky racist... You're just projecting.

This keeps coming up but it's not a strong defence. I sincerely doubt Griezmann's a racist, and I'm sure he gets on fantastically with Pogba but being mates with someone of a different skin colour doesn't mean you're automatically exempt from being a racist. I'd generally mean you're unlikely to be an extreme racist; someone who genuinely refuses to associated with people of a different skin colour, but you can still be mates with someone while indulging in certain racial prejudices, stereotypes etc. Especially when some people may conceal certain prejudices they have due to knowing they're not particularly acceptable.

 

[villain]

Yeah, I'm not wrong on any of that, though, am I? Stop being butthurt, I'm not here to coddle you.

You are wrong though, and only you seem to be the emotional one in here throwing around such insults.

I don’t need to be coddled by you, it would appear you need a hug

 

[JPRouve]

Who the feck mocks black skin? Are you Greizmann's personal friend or something? That damn racist Griezmann who mocks black skins is best friends with Pogba! Sneaky racist... You're just projecting.

I'm the one projecting when I never mentioned Griezmann in my post and never called Griezmann racist in this thread? The thread is named "Blackface" for a reason, if you don't want to read the thread and understand the conversation, just get your ass out of it.

 

[podurban2]

Who the feck mocks black skin? Are you Greizmann's personal friend or something? That damn racist Griezmann who mocks black skins is best friends with Pogba! Sneaky racist... You're just projecting.

Just wow...

 

[Manny]

Why the feck is the focus only on what white people did? Why don't you people try and put a focus on the problem as a whole instead of the usual "hurr durr evil white people enslaved peaceful Africans! Damn white devils and their crimes against humanity!". Sounds to me this is a form of thinly veiled racism towards white people in general, but hey - that's just me.

Yeah, call me a racist, what an unexpected argument. Your posts seems like a thinly veiled racism towards me, so how come I am the racist?

I'm pretty sure you would loose your mind if you were walking down the street as black man, Muslim or another minority group and faced actual racism.

 

[afrocentricity]

Because I feared you would discount everything I said and you did exactly that. The only thing I was surprised that is that you haven't called me a racist... yet. I'm not angry at anything, I'm just really tired of hearing the same bullshit every single day. Whether in real life or on the internet, politics are always inserted into my daily life. Like this thread. 40 pages for what? Because Greizmann wore a "blackface"? So fecking what, man? Wear a white face, I don't give a damn and neither should anyone else. Why is everything in this day and age, coming from a white person, deemed racist?



That's not really true and you would know that if, ironically, you didn't live in your bubble


Thank you. That's the whole point of it all - there's no single race, nation, ethnicity, culture or whatever that didn't practice slavery. Why are only whites blamed for it though? You never hear anything about the Arab slave trade, or the slavery practiced in China, Mongolia and Asia.

We're all guilty of it and we should all focus on the problem instead of focusing one just one group that once did it (and still does it, like everyone else).


I never said it stopped. My point is that slavery exists everywhere in the world, it's just called by a different name now. Africa, Asia, Europe, America, Australia - there's slavery virtually every. But the point is, nobody is talking about slavery itself, but about how evil white people are because their ancestors brought slaves. I wouldn't have a problem if slavery itself was the focus, in fact I would encourage it, but that's never the case. Nobody talks about slavery except as an excuse to blame white people.

Christ this up there with the worst posts in this thread.

You feared I wouldn't listen to you because my name is afrocentricity (at times like this I'm so glad I chose this name, people get exposed right off the bat)?

You expected me to call you racist? Why? Are you?

You're not angry (the white version of the angry black man) but here you are arguing slightly off topic in a thread about blackface after complaining about race being pushed in your face all the time. Why did you click on the thread to add your 2 cents on a subject that triggers you? I wouldn't have

Your answer to me about stepping out of your self enforcing bubble was to tell me to step out of my bubble. Hmmm... What bubble would that be then the one where I'm a minority that has experienced the sharp end of the stick? And you believe I'm in this bubble by choice and all I have to do is say 'it ain't so'? Hmmm... Error.

You say nobody talks about:

Arab slave trade, or the slavery practiced in China, Mongolia and Asia.

...maybe in your circles.

And then you indulge in another bout of whataboutism and poor me.

It's funny tbh... You seem like your beyond reason so I'll leave it at that...

 

[mancan92]

Yeah, call me a racist, what an unexpected argument. Your posts seems like a thinly veiled racism towards me, so how come I am the racist?


What privilege are you blabbing about, man? What privilege I have that a black guy doesn't have? Care to give me some examples?


Oh yes, like white people can't be born into a poor environment. feck off. You sound like one of those mentally deranged liberals that can't get their heads out of their ass and see that poor white people and black people have it the same, rich white people and black people have it the same. You're the one that's being racist by claiming that white people have it better virtually for being white.

I am honestly flabbergasted. In this day and age there is genuinely people who believe that there is no privilege. I mean go talk to someone, read a book, walk down the street, this is the worst post I've seen on the cafe.

 

[Dumbat12]

You are wrong though, and only you seem to be the emotional one in here throwing around such insults.

I don’t need to be coddled by you, it would appear you need a hug

Oh you didn't insult me, you just subtly implied I'm a racist and have no idea what the feck I'm talking about. No, I'm the only one who insults here.

This keeps coming up but it's not a strong defence. I sincerely doubt Griezmann's a racist, and I'm sure he gets on fantastically with Pogba but being mates with someone of a different skin colour doesn't mean you're automatically exempt from being a racist. I'd generally mean you're unlikely to be an extreme racist; someone who genuinely refuses to associated with people of a different skin colour, but you can still be mates with someone while indulging in certain racial prejudices, stereotypes etc. Especially when some people may conceal certain prejudices they have due to knowing they're not particularly acceptable.

Well, from the videos I've watched of Griezmann with his national team (when the Griezmann transfer saga was going on), he got along with pretty much everyone. I doubt that a racist would be able to go along so well with his black teammates in such a way.

I'm the one projecting when I never mentioned Griezmann in my post and never called Griezmann racist in this thread? The thread is named "Blackface" for a reason, if you don't want to read the thread and understand the conversation, just get your ass out of it.

But you said something about someone mocking black skin. Care to explain yourself on that?

I'm pretty sure you would loose your mind if you were walking down the street as black man, Muslim or another minority group and faced actual racism.

Any examples of what you're saying?

Christ this up there with the worst posts in this thread.

Sure.

You feared I wouldn't listen to you because my name is afrocentricity?

I know of you from a previuos thread. I'm well aware of the arguments you often use.

You expected me to call you racist? Why? Are you?

You were actually on your way, just as you are now. You just don't blatantly spell it out like another person already did in this thread.

You're not angry (the white version of the angry black man) but here you are arguing slightly off topic in a thread about blackface after complaining about race being pushed in your face all the time. Why did you click on the thread to add your 2 cents on a subject that triggers you? I wouldn't have

Well, let's see. I was curious, wanted to see what the fuss is all about, was shocked at the poor comments, gave my opinion that didn't insult anyone and then I log in today and see numerous replies directed at me so I replied.

Your answer to me about stepping out of your self enforcing bubble was to tell me to step out of my bubble. Hmmm... What bubble would that be then the one where I'm a minority that has experienced the sharp end of the stick? And you believe I'm in this bubble by choice and all I
have to do is say 'it ain't so'? Hmmm... Error.

Yeah, and how do you know I haven't experienced anything similiar? You make a lot of assumptions, don't you?

I am honestly flabbergasted. In this day and age there is genuinely people who believe that there is no privilege. I mean go talk to someone, read a book, walk down the street, this is the worst post I've seen on the cafe.

And I am honestly flabbergasted that liberals always love to talk about white privelege, but when someone calls them out on it they don't have anything to say, no arguments to provide for their reasoning. It's the usual "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!". Then they start insulting and dodging the question all the while continue to provide no arguments.
"Read a book"
Wtf does that mean? Give me your books on white privilege, please.

 

[2 man midfield]

I am honestly flabbergasted. In this day and age there is genuinely people who believe that there is no privilege. I mean go talk to someone, read a book, walk down the street, this is the worst post I've seen on the cafe.

I'll admit I used to think so until recently. I always thought there was no systemic bias, only individual racists. But I guess since the system is made up of individuals it's the same thing anyway. Now I tend to see life like a big olympic race, where some just start a little further back than others unfortunately. My mind was changed by 2 lines of thought, one being the simple fact that white people don't have to deal with racism. That in itself is a kind of privilege. Secondly, I approached it from the point of view of someone with anxiety like myself. I thought one day wouldn't it be nice if it was only the actual work which stood in the way of what I want, as with normal people, apart from all this added stuff tacked on. Then I thought, huh maybe that's what they meant. All it took was a little more empathy than none at all, strange huh?

What I'm getting at is, people are learning about this all the time. Many won't like being told they're privileged, especially since we all have shit to deal with, but you sort of have to let them get their heads around it and be patient, I guess. It might click eventually.

 

[JPRouve]

But you said something about someone mocking black skin. Care to explain yourself on that?

Historically blackface was a medium to ridicule africans and afro-Americans. Also read the thread, we are not going to have a new conversation just for you.

 

[mancan92]

@Dumat12

I honestly shocked that you would have the balls really to suggest on any platform that you don't know that black people and any minority has had and continues to receive less privilege from their white counter parts. I don't need to give you examples, I don't need to tell you book titles, I don't need to produce one single piece of evidence. I've lived it my whole life.

 

[villain]

Oh you didn't insult me, you just subtly implied I'm a racist and have no idea what the feck I'm talking about. No, I'm the only one who insults here.

You don’t know what you’re talking about - you’re just spilling out falsehoods because you feel personally victimised as a straight white male.

The things you’re saying are insulting on a level that goes beyond individual blows, but you’re so triggered that you are completely unhinged at this point and there’s no point trying to have a rational conversation.

 

[villain]

I'll admit I used to think so until recently. I always thought there was no systemic bias, only individual racists. But I guess since the system is made up of individuals it's the same thing anyway. Now I tend to see life like a big olympic race, where some just start a little further back than others unfortunately. My mind was changed by 2 lines of thought, one being the simple fact that white people don't have to deal with racism. That in itself is a kind of privilege. Secondly, I approached it from the point of view of someone with anxiety like myself. I thought one day wouldn't it be nice if it was only the actual work which stood in the way of what I want, as with normal people, apart from all this added stuff tacked on. Then I thought, huh maybe that's what they meant. All it took was a little more empathy than none at all, strange huh?

What I'm getting at is, people are learning about this all the time. Many won't like being told they're privileged, especially since we all have shit to deal with, but you sort of have to let them get their heads around it and be patient, I guess. It might click eventually.

Excellent way of looking at it, re the anxiety.
Having suffered both, I can attest the feelings are similar.

 

[Bury Red]

Yeah, call me a racist, what an unexpected argument. Your posts seems like a thinly veiled racism towards me, so how come I am the racist?


What privilege are you blabbing about, man? What privilege I have that a black guy doesn't have? Care to give me some examples?


Oh yes, like white people can't be born into a poor environment. feck off. You sound like one of those mentally deranged liberals that can't get their heads out of their ass and see that poor white people and black people have it the same, rich white people and black people have it the same. You're the one that's being racist by claiming that white people have it better virtually for being white.

For somebody so sensitive about what complete strangers on the internet say about them you'd think you would have a better grasp of why racial stereotyping, prejudice and subjugation are wrong and would accept that they need to be stamped out immediately. I'll repeat my point, anybody who thinks that the progress towards racial and gender equality are moving too fast in modern society is part of the problem and needs to look at their own attitudes.

White privilege is the comfort you get from knowing your CV will never be binned just because somebody made a prejudiced assumption based upon your skin colour or the one they perceive from your name. White privilege is the extra 20%+ in your pay packet than you would be likely to get if you were black or brown. White privilege is the knowledge that regardless of how badly you act the chances of you being stopped by the police, and of being beaten or even killed by them is far reduced almost everywhere on the planet and even when prosecuted the chances are your sentence will be far more lenient.

I never once said that there aren't equally poor whites and blacks, nor equally rich ones. I would however say that until attitudes like yours are eradicated the path to both poverty and riches will always be steeper and slippier for those born without your white privilege.

 

[mancan92]

Excellent way of looking at it, re the anxiety.
Having suffered both, I can attest the feelings are similar.

Same I suffer from anxiety aswell.

One of the biggest problems is anxiety brings on thoughts and problems that aren't real and irrational. But as a black man what makes the anxiety 10x worse is the fact that at the end of the day alot of my anxieties are not irrational thoughts, they are routed in mostly truth. So genuinely a older white woman has crossed the road because I am black and genuinely when a guy walks up to my girlfriend and asks what she is doing with someone like me he means a black guy(she is a white russian).

 

[afrocentricity]

Yeah, and how do you know I haven't experienced anything similiar? You make a lot of assumptions, don't you?

At this point it's fecking obvious mate, no assumptions needed...

You don’t know what you’re talking about - you’re just spilling out falsehoods because you feel personally victimised as a straight white male.

The things you’re saying are insulting on a level that goes beyond individual blows, but you’re so triggered that you are completely unhinged at this point and there’s no point trying to have a rational conversation.

That's exactly what it is.

Funnily enough, I'm part of the minority and both sides of my family tree has slave owners and sellers, they both have racists too. I don't really have a problem with that fact, it doesn't change the way I should act towards others.

Family get togethers must be... Interesting

 

[villain]

Same I suffer from anxiety aswell.

One of the biggest problems is anxiety brings on thoughts and problems that aren't real. But as a black man what makes the anxiety 10x worse is the fact that at the end of the day alot of my anxieties are not irrational thoughts, they are routed in mostly truth. So genuinely a older white woman has crossed the road because I am black and genuinely when a guy walks up to my girlfriend and asks what she is doing with someone like me he means a black guy(she is a white russian).

Completely.
And like anxiety, you’re faced with the overwhelming rush of emotions that you’re almost in shock and unable to react.
When I’m out with my boyfriend (he’s white) the amount of looks I get from white people is staggering and the way it makes you feel as if you’re not good enough, I begin to question everything and get caught up in my thoughts to the point where I double think almost every decision I make, and I’m not focused on the present moment - which is why for me, it’s so similar to anxiety.

These are just the small things that make it tougher to live with as a black person, or I imagine any PoC or minority.

 

[Dumbat12]

Historically blackface was a medium to ridicule africans and afro-Americans. Also read the thread, we are not going to have a new conversation just for you.

First off, it was historically only popularly done so in America. Second, by caring so much about it you continue to give power to it, don't you agree? It's like you want to be proud to be black and yet you give out signals that you feel ashamed by it.

You don’t know what you’re talking about - you’re just spilling out falsehoods because you feel personally victimised as a straight white male.

No, I've probably spent an hour of my time replying to people that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and can't say a damn thing besides some random buzzwords.

@Dumat12

I honestly shocked that you would have the balls really to suggest on any platform that you don't know that black people and any minority has had and continues to receive less privilege from their white counter parts. I don't need to give you examples, I don't need to tell you book titles, I don't need to produce one single piece of evidence. I've lived it my whole life.

Then show me of this white privilege liberals so love to talk about. Show me. Why can't you people just provide any proof to your arguments? You always love to talk about this and that, but whenever you're called out on something you NEVER go out your way to prove it. How is a poor white guy more privileged than a poor black guy? Everything is about "muh feelings" with you, never about constructive arguments.

For somebody so sensitive about what complete strangers on the internet say about them you'd think you would have a better grasp of why racial stereotyping, prejudice and subjugation are wrong and would accept that they need to be stamped out immediately. I'll repeat my point, anybody who thinks that the progress towards racial and gender equality are moving too fast in modern society is part of the problem and needs to look at their own attitudes.

White privilege is the comfort you get from knowing your CV will never be binned just because somebody made a prejudiced assumption based upon your skin colour or the one they perceive from your name. White privilege is the extra 20%+ in your pay packet than you would be likely to get if you were black or brown. White privilege is the knowledge that regardless of how badly you act the chances of you being stopped by the police, and of being beaten or even killed by them is far reduced almost everywhere on the planet and even when prosecuted the chances are your sentence will be far more lenient.

I never once said that there aren't equally poor whites and blacks, nor equally rich ones. I would however sway that until attitudes like yours are eradicated the path to both poverty and riches will always be steeper and slippier for those born without your white privilege.

That's sounds like an awfully racist post towards white people to me. Just random "facts" thrown around with nothing to back it.

It goes like this:
"Black people have it worse than white people because white people have some form of a privilege."
"Ok, explain to me what that privilege is"
"ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! You sounds like a racist".
"Why? How am I racist?"
"Racist!"
And that's how it usualy goes. It's not that hard to understand why I am sensitive about this when I hear about this shit every single day and I have yet to see proof of my privilege. This has been going on for years, so you would imagine why someone would be tired of this. Where is my damn privilege I so often hear about? Why can't I feel it?


That's why I am done here. You people can't explain a thing about why you feel that way. The closest you got was saying you feel an anxiety of your own making, which is fine, but that's not a white privilege or anything. The societies we live in are majority white and thus you would always feel that way unless that changes in the future. Just as a white man feels an anxiety in his every day life in South Africa or any other part of Africa. But that's not something you can fix by spouting random things about some fairy tail white privilege that doesn't exist.

 

[mancan92]

@Dumat12

In this very thread we have people talk about their different experiences that only a black person/ minority goes through. In my previous post I just gave you two very small examples of things I face on a daily basis that a white person doesn't have to.

The difference between a poor white person and a poor black person is that the white person has to deal with social economic inequality. The black person has to deal with social economic inequality and racial inequality.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Yeah, I'm not wrong on any of that, though, am I? Stop being butthurt, I'm not here to coddle you.

You are wrong though, on so many levels. Get educated.

 

[villain]

No, I've probably spent an hour of my time replying to people that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and can't say a damn thing besides some random buzzwords.

Great, I’ve spent the majority of my life learning of and studying African history, both in books and in person being that I’m from Ghana and my family traveled much of the West coast of the continent early in my childhood.
Outside of that - I don’t see much sense arguing with someone who is trying to equate slavery as being the common denominator across all countries, cultures across centuries
The Arab slave trade between Arabs, was different to the Arab-African slave trade which is different to the African-African slave trade, which had differences based on culture, region and tradition also, and on and on.

Slavery isn’t some buzzword that’s thrown about by liberals and black people, and just because white people were ALSO slaves, doesn’t mean that you suffered similarly. And even outside of that, what you are also forgetting is the hangover from slavery.
What black people continue to suffer from which is completely unique and that isn’t because of slavery but rather the after effects of slavery.

These are complex conversations and studies which require a lot of reading.

You, on the other hand are, like I said, far too unhinged for me to even waste my time.

 

[JPRouve]

First off, it was historically only popularly done so in America. Second, by caring so much about it you continue to give power to it, don't you agree? It's like you want to be proud to be black and yet you give out signals that you feel ashamed by it.

Read what you wrote again and ask yourself on what basis you wrote it. What signals did I gave you that leads you to believe that I want to be proud of a skin color and I am somehow ashamed of it, you realize how daft you are?

 

[Dumbat12]

@Dumat12
In this very thread we have people talk about their different experiences that only a black person/ minority goes through. In my previous post I just gave you two very small examples of things I face on a daily basis that a white person doesn't have to.

The difference between a poor white person and a poor black person is that the white person has to deal with social economic inequality. The black person has to deal with social economic inequality and racial inequality.

Good. Because you just outed yourself on how ignorant you are on this topic. Many companies in this day and age hire people only out of the color of their skin or gender, not out of the qualities they have. There's "diversity quotas" in almost every major company and specially apointed VP's of "diversity quotas" to oversee it. BBC not while ago even published an intership advert in which white people were barred from applying and only people of color were allowed to participate. But I guess you're going to argue how white people cannot be discriminated now.

 

[afrocentricity]

Good. Because you just outed yourself on how ignorant you are on this topic. Many companies in this day and age hire people only out of the color of their skin or gender, not out of the qualities they have. There's "diversity quotas" in almost every major company and specially apointed VP's of "diversity quotas" to oversee it. BBC not while ago even published an intership advert in which white people were barred from applying and only people of color were allowed to participate. But I guess you're going to argue how white people cannot be discriminated now.

I actually worked with the BBC for years, great company, great people of all types, one of the few places I didn't feel like I was always being looked at differently because of how I look... Ironic you'd mention them.

You're having a mare....

On another note. It amazes me that you guys think labelling me a liberal and throwing it around like a dirty word is some kind of win. I don't know which playbook you're reading but when some one throws the word liberal at me I'm like 'Yes?'

I'm guessing it's some attempt by a subsection to change the meaning of the word.

Liberal this liberal that... I feel no type of way about being liberal, openminded, inclusive, etc... You're complimenting me, keep doing it please.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

I honestly can't believe some of the views/posts in this thread, is it really so difficult to respect the feelings of a fellow human being, whether it's regarding skin colour, religion or any other feature of a persons identity which neatly cubbyholes them into a minority? It's like some folk feel like they're losing face somehow by acknowledging that some things which they themselves don't think of as racist or offensive, hurt so many people. Thing's have improved over the years but going by the casual or subliminal racism i see everyday, there is still a long to go.
I remember the black and white minstrels from when i was a kid but until this thread, i hadn't heard the term blackface or any of the european parades including it but i would still know that blacking up my face for entertainment would offensive to many so would be a absolute no no.