Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

Their next three fixtures are Newcastle (a), Palace (a) and Watford (h).

Win those and they break the European record for consecutive league wins (currently held by Bayern Munich (19)).
 
Steven_Seagull said:
The blank cheque talk his slightly disingenuous. I think we have to give it to the opposition, that Pep has the biggest chequebook. We are outspending every other team in the league. You also have to factor in that Silva & KDB were not Pep signings. I don't think we'd be anywhere as effective without 1 of these 2.

Love Pep & what he's doing at the minute. There's no way he would be doing anywhere near as well at any other PL club though.
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Kapardin said:
Unlimited doesn't mean the Sheikh has given Scrooge McDuck's vault to Pep. But compared to other clubs, the spending can be called "unlimited" in the sense that it is one heck of a big purse that fits quite a lot.
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And yet in Pep’s time, we’ve spent a lindelof a season more than united.

16/17
City about 213m euros incomings
United about 185m

17/18
City about 249m euros incomings
United about 164m

Which looks like yes, city have spent a whole pogba more than united in the last 2 years.

But the incomings have to partly offset by outgoings. Net spend is too hard a way to describe it, but it’s a reasonable way of realising income and using it to spend:

16/17
City about 35m euros outgoing
United about 47m

17/18
City about 94m euros outgoing
United about 8.5m

Which is approx a pogba in Citys financial favour.

So basically, the same. (And even a pogba can’t really be called ‘unlimited’)

Hardly unlimited by city. Unless you also call uniteds spending unlimited.

So I’m happy if you want to also call uniteds transfer chest unlimited, as well as city’s.
 
JASR said:
And yet in Pep’s time, we’ve spent a lindelof a season more than united.

16/17
City about 213m euros incomings
United about 185m

17/18
City about 249m euros incomings
United about 164m

Which looks like yes, city have spent a whole pogba more than united in the last 2 years.

But the incomings have to partly offset by outgoings. Net spend is too hard a way to describe it, but it’s a reasonable way of realising income and using it to spend:

16/17
City about 35m euros outgoing
United about 47m

17/18
City about 94m euros outgoing
United about 8.5m

Which is approx a pogba in Citys financial favour.

So basically, the same. (And even a pogba can’t really be called ‘unlimited’)

Hardly unlimited by city. Unless you also call uniteds spending unlimited.

So I’m happy if you want to also call uniteds transfer chest unlimited, as well as city’s.
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We had near unlimited spend like City for the Moyes and LvG seasons. And we spent badly. Don't deny that. Trouble is, now we seem to have a budget the moment we hired a decent manager. Probably due to the high wages the players are on.
 
Kapardin said:
We had near unlimited spend like City for the Moyes and LvG seasons. And we spent badly. Don't deny that. Trouble is, now we seem to have a budget the moment we hired a decent manager.
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Ok, ta for agreeing that ‘unlimited’ is what both city and united have.

However I’m unsure where you get the idea that Mourinho hasn’t got a budget similar to LVG?
Moyes spent a relative pittance - 77m euro
LVG spent about 195m Euro and then about 156m euro.
Mourinho spent 185m euro and would have spent more according to the Caf on Perisic.

So that really doesn’t square with your assertion that Mourinho had no budget.
Nor that Moyes had unlimited- although he may have chosen to save...

If you want to actually look at figures before choosing to pull fiction out of the air, can I suggest:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985
 
JASR said:
/High fives namco and his new tactic of being a united supporter pretending to be a City supporter.

How many posts will he survive this time @M18CTID ?
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Ha ha - 4 posts as a City fan and all 4 with a negative slant. He’s not very good at covering his tracks is he?
 
JASR said:
Ok, ta for agreeing that ‘unlimited’ is what both city and united have.

However I’m unsure where you get the idea that Mourinho hasn’t got a budget similar to LVG?
Moyes spent a relative pittance - 77m euro
LVG spent about 195m Euro and then about 156m euro.
Mourinho spent 185m euro and would have spent more according to the Caf on Perisic.

So that really doesn’t square with your assertion that Mourinho had no budget.
Nor that Moyes had unlimited- although he may have chosen to save...

If you want to actually look at figures before choosing to pull fiction out of the air, can I suggest:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985
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We didn't get Perisic precisely because we had a budget. Inter wanted 2 million more. Ed also appears to have factored in his age. The simple fact of the matter is, Mourinho didn't get what he wanted and that's why the PSG links began appearing in the papers at the time he was discontented.

LvG was able to get most of the rubbish he bought within the budget, which was fairly huge then. Bar Di Maria who was a fetish signing for glamor. Mourinho got Pogba for similar money because he was obviously quality and marketable as well, but has had to make do since.

It is simply not fiction to say that we would never buy 3 FBs in one summer for sure. And guess what, we actually may need that many considering the state of our FBs.

EDIT: Let's keep it simple. If Pep were our manager, he would ask for 2 new FBs, a #10 (maybe 2), 2 new midfielders and a RW at the least (and maybe even a LW). That's really his standard to achieve his ambition. There is no way we would spend that much in one or even 2 summers.

Would City oblige then, if they had our squad with the likes of Young? Absolutely.
 
Didsbury Dan said:
No, no one could figure it out from any evidence available. You just want it to be true.
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I didn't say they were able to prove anything from the evidence available. But it can't be a coincidence how many times his players didn't turn up for testing and the fact he was working with all these dodgy doctors.
 
Janson said:
I didn't say they were able to prove anything from the evidence available. But it can't be a coincidence how many times his players didn't turn up for testing and the fact he was working with all these dodgy doctors.
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You understand that technically what you do is a form of slander or defamation that is against the law, given that you accuse them of a criminal offense?

If you make this sort of accusations, you should have evidence. Such unfounded accusations posted on social media could be ground for a law suit.
 
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Kapardin said:
We didn't get Perisic precisely because we had a budget. Inter wanted 2 million more. Ed also appears to have factored in his age. The simple fact of the matter is, Mourinho didn't get what he wanted and that's why the PSG links began appearing in the papers at the time he was discontented.

LvG was able to get most of the rubbish he bought within the budget, which was fairly huge then. Bar Di Maria who was a fetish signing for glamor. Mourinho got Pogba for similar money because he was obviously quality and marketable as well, but has had to make do since.

It is simply not fiction to say that we would never buy 3 FBs in one summer for sure. And guess what, we actually may need that many considering the state of our FBs.
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Can I ask a serious question.

There appear to be many united fans including yourself who state united has a transfer budget, it’s constrained, or even mourinho has the same or less money to use than LVG.

Fine.

But set against the backdrop of considerable commercial revenue increases, the very large jump in TV rights revenue, the increase in match going revenue ... all added up...

... doesn’t it strike you as extremely odd?

That united have a ‘smaller’ transfer budget now than they had 2-3 years ago?

...- which surely should be topic number 1 on the forum everyday for the past year as to why.
 
JASR said:
Can I ask a serious question.

There appear to be many united fans including yourself who state united has a transfer budget, it’s constrained, or even mourinho has the same or less money to use than LVG.

Fine.

But set against the backdrop of considerable commercial revenue increases, the very large jump in TV rights revenue, the increase in match going revenue ... all added up...

... doesn’t it strike you as extremely odd?

That united have a ‘smaller’ transfer budget now than they had 2-3 years ago?

...- which surely should be topic number 1 on the forum everyday for the past year as to why.
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Easy to guess why. The owners are satisfied to make top 4 and not keen on taking it to another level such as winning the treble, as City appear to be focused on. I would say the Glazers are not as bad Kroenke in that 4th spot and lagging way behind European heavyweights is considered acceptable, but they are not averse to being content with 2nd-3rd place and the occasional domestic cup, and obviously think the current squad might win the league sometime with no major additions.

We spent a lot when we finished 7th under Moyes due to a panic to get back to the CL spots.

If they see a major, glaring crisis like our midfield options which necessitated the Pogba buy, then they will loosen the purse strings. But otherwise, they need some persuading and that's what made Jose frustrated.
 
SupaFella said:
You understand that technically what you do is a form of slander or defamation that is against the law, given that you accuse them of a criminal offense?

If you make this sort of accusations, you should have evidence. Such unfounded accusations posted on social media could be ground for a law suit.
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Not accusing, just speculating. I am allowed to form my own opinion based on what has been said on the forum aren't I? It's not like I have access to all the actuall evidence. Obviously, as long as they haven't found him guilty, he's not guilty. That's not gonna stop people from speculating though.
 
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This thread comes across as bitter as the City and Liverpool forums when we dominating.

With Fergie, it was the accusation of buying referees.

They are just in brilliant form and one of the best sides in Premier league history. Turning to slander to diminish their success is some thing you would expect from a child on Twitter.
 
I'll say one thing - when the City title celebrations come around I won't watch them, but I hope our players do. Those that get fired up by that and determined to do something about it in 2018/19 are the ones we really need. No matter how well City do, they can only win the one Premier League title between now and May, everyone gets a blank slate come August.
 
They now also have conceded fewer goals than Mou's United. Even with all their winning I didn't expect that.
Second half of the season cannot possibly continue on that level. Probably they'll still equal or surpass Bayern's domestic winning streak of 19 wins on end.
 
JASR said:
And yet in Pep’s time, we’ve spent a lindelof a season more than united.

16/17
City about 213m euros incomings
United about 185m

17/18
City about 249m euros incomings
United about 164m

Which looks like yes, city have spent a whole pogba more than united in the last 2 years.

But the incomings have to partly offset by outgoings. Net spend is too hard a way to describe it, but it’s a reasonable way of realising income and using it to spend:

16/17
City about 35m euros outgoing
United about 47m

17/18
City about 94m euros outgoing
United about 8.5m

Which is approx a pogba in Citys financial favour.

So basically, the same. (And even a pogba can’t really be called ‘unlimited’)

Hardly unlimited by city. Unless you also call uniteds spending unlimited.

So I’m happy if you want to also call uniteds transfer chest unlimited, as well as city’s.
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You seem to know about City's finances very well that is why I am going to ask you: How much have City spent on buying other clubs and their own training facilities/academy recruitment. As I have heard figures going over a billion pounds.
 
55 pts and a GD of plus 48 after the first half season. Must be the best half season in the history of the top 5 leagues?

Barcelona had 55 pts but a worse GD in 2012/13 when Messi was at his best goalscoring best. And they dropped points vs their direct rival (2:2 vs Madrid).
 
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Dr. StrangeHate said:
You seem to know about City's finances very well that is why I am going to ask you: How much have City spent on buying other clubs and their own training facilities/academy recruitment. As I have heard figures going over a billion pounds.
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The transfer info on city, like united came from transfermarkt.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/saison_id/2018

Good as any resource. Ie some higher, some lower than elsewhere reported.

City haven’t bought into any clubs. In the same way that United don’t buy shopping malls.

The CFG have. The acquisition amounts are probably on the internet, though I’m unsure , as not covered by uk financial reporting regulations.

The signed off city accounts are published comprehensively online every year.
Available from the city website. If you can navigate it....
I’m guessing an abbreviated set are on the companies house website.

The accounts themselves show the usual, with the additional item somewhere of how much has been invested. Ie the magical figure that you’re angling for.

Have a look. I can’t remember off the top of my head, where or how much. (Bedtime)

As to knowing the accounts, no that’s not me. There’s far more clever people like Swiss ramble’s website, prestwich_blue on BM and many more if you want to have a complete breakdown.

I just find and read the data.
 
Reckon they could win the league by a mammoth 20 points as can see us dropping more points. It's all about City right now, they are like the Harlem Globetrotters. Nobody else matters but them.

United fans will moan and say it's only because it was another poor season etc to discredit their achievements.
 
K2K said:
This thread comes across as bitter as the City and Liverpool forums when we dominating.

With Fergie, it was the accusation of buying referees.

They are just in brilliant form and one of the best sides in Premier league history. Turning to slander to diminish their success is some thing you would expect from a child on Twitter.
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Cold. Hard. Truth.

We can't beat them fairly so we must take the next logical step - cheating.

Why doesn't Jose just pay a group of hobos to break the City players legs?

This idea was shamelessly stolen from the RAWK Goes in to Lockdown thread from a Liverpool fan who, after witnessing the heroics of DDG during the Arsenal game, came up with this simple but effective solution to an ongoing problem.
 
GhastlyHun said:
They now also have conceded fewer goals than Mou's United. Even with all their winning I didn't expect that.
Second half of the season cannot possibly continue on that level. Probably they'll still equal or surpass Bayern's domestic winning streak of 19 wins on end.
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The funny thing is that nobody cared about that 19 domestic winning streak so much when it happened as it was just part of that 53 unbeaten series and the 33 away matches unbeaten which all began in the treble season.

Firmino ended that 19 matches winning streak in a 3:3 draw against Hoffenheim in the week prior to the quarter final against United when the league was already won and Pep rotated.
 
JASR said:
Doesn’t it strike you as extremely odd?

That united have a ‘smaller’ transfer budget now than they had 2-3 years ago?
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United had a large budget when Fergie retired because he hadn't spent a large amount of money in several years.

We continued to have a large budget because Moyes failed to sign the big name players he was chasing (Bale, Fabregas or Ronaldo), which rolled over more funds.

We've now somewhat "caught up". That isn't to say we can't spend... But if Mourinho spent £135m on full backs he wouldn't be able to have bought one or two of Pogba, Matic or Lukaku.

That's the difference. From a budget point of view Mourinho will have to build a team over 3-4 years (from a position of weakness). He's had to prioritise the spine of he team which was United's biggest weakness. In addition to the £150m signings City desperately needed (Walker, Mendy, Stones), they've also been able to spend nearly £200m for players that in the scheme of things they didn't particularly need (Jesus, Sane, Silva, Bravo, Ederson, Gundogan, Danilo).

If City didn't have unlimited funds they'd have stuck with the likes of Hart, Mangala, Nolito and Iheanacho, rather than spending £180m on Bravo, Stones, Jesus, Sane & Ederson. Just as United have stuck with Young, Smalling, Darmian, Fellaini & Lingard.
 
I am sure City could go unbeaten if Pep want/try to, but I think he's not too interested in winning 'Invincible' trophy.
 
Transfer investment for last 3 years is an almost perfect correlation to league table position.

Guardiola and Manchester City certainly don't deserve any major credit, everything else is hyperbole, intended to generate clicks for advertisers.
 
To be fair, Pep did an ace job of getting rid of deadwood from their squad.
If it was our squad / management, we'd have perservered with Nolito and Hart as an example...
 
Member 5225 said:
To be fair, Pep did an ace job of getting rid of deadwood from their squad.
If it was our squad / management, we'd have perservered with Nolito and Hart as an example...
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This site would explode if you guys had Joe Hart instead of DDG :lol:
 
sammsky1 said:
Transfer investment for last 3 years is an almost perfect correlation to league table position.

Guardiola and Manchester City certainly don't deserve any major credit, everything else is hyperbole, intended to generate clicks for advertisers.
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They spent 322.28 m over the last three years net, you spent 317.6m over the last three years net. You are so bitter.

(numbers per https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk)
 
Who pays for Manchester City’s beautiful game?
It is considered ‘inappropriate’ to ask about the money behind Pep Guardiola’s team, and other leading clubs, but we should be asking the hard questions ..... here are words you never hear on the BBC or Sky and hear only rarely from the best sports writers. Manchester City’s success is built on the labour extracted by the rulers of a modern feudal state. Sheikh Mansour, its owner, is the half-brother of Sheikh Khalifa, the absolute monarch of the United Arab Emirates: an accident of birth that has given him a mountain of cash and Manchester City the Premier League’s best players.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/24/who-pays-for-manchester-city-beautiful-game
 
Can't you (UK citizens) press your government to boycott/cut any ties with UAE or Qatar (diplomatic, economy) until they follow your 'code of conducts'?

Like the West had/have done to Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc.

Almost impossible I know, but who knows..
 
Karel Podolsky said:
Can't you (UK citizens) press your government to boycott/cut any ties with UAE or Qatar (diplomatic, economy) until they follow your 'code of conducts'?

Like the West had/have done to Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc.

Almost impossible I know, but who knows..
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Our (successive) governments' 'morals' are for sale, frankly.
 
sammsky1 said:
Who pays for Manchester City’s beautiful game?
It is considered ‘inappropriate’ to ask about the money behind Pep Guardiola’s team, and other leading clubs, but we should be asking the hard questions ..... here are words you never hear on the BBC or Sky and hear only rarely from the best sports writers. Manchester City’s success is built on the labour extracted by the rulers of a modern feudal state. Sheikh Mansour, its owner, is the half-brother of Sheikh Khalifa, the absolute monarch of the United Arab Emirates: an accident of birth that has given him a mountain of cash and Manchester City the Premier League’s best players.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/24/who-pays-for-manchester-city-beautiful-game
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Saw this in the other thread. Fantastic to see it written, even though he has to add disclaimers to protect him form the incredibly easy to offend city fans
 
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