Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

[el magico]

Have i missed a meeting? Don't know what the hell a Namco is, is it a Bot or something?

I've come to this forum after being kicked off Bluemoon. This was for having the audacity to say we've had a bit of luck this season.

I wouldn't say i've been derogatory about us since posting on here. I posted about not wanting to sign VVD as his preferred destination was Liverpool. We have made ourselves look stupid by saying we didn't want him anyway. I also posted that there may be something in the Doping claims. Many other members think the same.

Where did i say i liked how we played under Pearce? I will agree our time under him was bad news. On the other hand i don't pay for my ticket to watch a game of attack Vs defence.

I thought the league would be won by the team with the best record in the big 6 Vs games. It's looking like we'll have the best record in this respect. We've not yet been in a game against 1 of these sides though due to mitigating factors. I want us to win the league by beating the best & not just rolling over the cannon fodder.

Were you GDM on bluemoon?

 

[JASR]

Have i missed a meeting? Don't know what the hell a Namco is, is it a Bot or something?

I've come to this forum after being kicked off Bluemoon. This was for having the audacity to say we've had a bit of luck this season.

And you were who on Bluemoon?

The lady do’th protest too much.

 

[Law's Law]

Ever heard of conversion thoery? The minority in a group can have a disproportionate effect on influencing those in the majority.

It comes as no surprise to discover that practically all of the City posters in this thread appear both knowledgeable and confident in the claim that their clubs recent financial history is perfectly legitimate and without suspicion (breeeeeath). The desired effect is to convert United fans to their belief, earning their club recognition and acknowledgement for their achievements and the fans justification for supporting them in the process. Being in the minority only serves to empower their position. Consistent, confident minority voices are extremely effective.

Blatant conversion theory. They are doing it even if they don't realise it. Plus it's perfectly natural to seek approval from your peers, especially when you yourself doubt the validity of your claim.

This is very interesting and absolutely applicable.

Since you are very academic, can you address what many others failed to do?

It became a regular unchallenged cliche that Manchester City is a money losing business. (Money-making / dividend-generating became an obsession among football fans, but that is a different story)
When presented with any kind of business analysis, nobody seems willing to indulge in any discussion involving facts.

So, when it comes to this matter alone, can you confirm whether Manchester City is a profitable or a losing investment as it stands?

Now, you will either address a totally different point, or more likely, just ignore the whole argument, because according to the theory you presented, you are one of the silent majority.

 

[el magico]

Ever heard of conversion thoery? The minority in a group can have a disproportionate effect on influencing those in the majority.

It comes as no surprise to discover that practically all of the City posters in this thread appear both knowledgeable and confident in the claim that their clubs recent financial history is perfectly legitimate and without suspicion (breeeeeath). The desired effect is to convert United fans to their belief, earning their club recognition and acknowledgement for their achievements and the fans justification for supporting them in the process. Being in the minority only serves to empower their position. Consistent, confident minority voices are extremely effective.

Blatant conversion theory. They are doing it even if they don't realise it. Plus it's perfectly natural to seek approval from your peers, especially when you yourself doubt the validity of your claim.

Ok, why don't you provide some facts about City's financial position? And, I mean, actual facts, not supposition.

 

[Random Task]

This is very interesting and absolutely applicable.

Since you are very academic, can you address what many others failed to do?

It became a regular unchallenged cliche that Manchester City is a money losing business. (Money-making / dividend-generating became an obsession among football fans, but that is a different story)
When presented with any kind of business analysis, nobody seems willing to indulge in any discussion involving facts.

So, when it comes to this matter alone, can you confirm whether Manchester City is a profitable or a losing investment as it stands?

Now, you will either address a totally different point, or more likely, just ignore the whole argument, because according to the theory you presented, you are one of the silent majority.

Academic? Hardly, I'm a fitness instructor and part-time carpenter. I'll try to answer your question as best I can, though.

City have turned a profit for 2 seasons running now thus, by definition, they are a profitable organization. How they arrived at this position is where the controversy rears up, but you would most likely consider those means of arrival entirely impertinent to your question. So we'll just stick a pin in that one.

I read about conversion theory many moons ago. It most certainly is not of my own creation, I'm merely indoctrinating the concept upon you fine people.

Actually the City fans in this thread are the minority, not I.

 

[M18CTID]

Have i missed a meeting? Don't know what the hell a Namco is, is it a Bot or something?

I've come to this forum after being kicked off Bluemoon. This was for having the audacity to say we've had a bit of luck this season.

I wouldn't say i've been derogatory about us since posting on here. I posted about not wanting to sign VVD as his preferred destination was Liverpool. We have made ourselves look stupid by saying we didn't want him anyway. I also posted that there may be something in the Doping claims. Many other members think the same.

Where did i say i liked how we played under Pearce? I will agree our time under him was bad news. On the other hand i don't pay for my ticket to watch a game of attack Vs defence.

I thought the league would be won by the team with the best record in the big 6 Vs games. It's looking like we'll have the best record in this respect. We've not yet been in a game against 1 of these sides though due to mitigating factors. I want us to win the league by beating the best & not just rolling over the cannon fodder.

Go on then - what was your username on Bluemoon? And put the link up to the post that supposedly got you banned.

 

[Steven_Seagull]

And you were who on Bluemoon?

I was Cyclone_Wash. We posted on some of the same threads on Bluemoon a while ago. I was actually going to PM you at one time as you were getting a bit of grief in the Utd section. I couldn't be arsed in the end though.

Ever heard of conversion thoery? The minority in a group can have a disproportionate effect on influencing those in the majority.

It comes as no surprise to discover that practically all of the City posters in this thread appear both knowledgeable and confident in the claim that their clubs recent financial history is perfectly legitimate and without suspicion (breeeeeath). The desired effect is to convert United fans to their belief, earning their club recognition and acknowledgement for their achievements and the fans justification for supporting them in the process. Being in the minority only serves to empower their position. Consistent, confident minority voices are extremely effective.

Blatant conversion theory. They are doing it even if they don't realise it. Plus it's perfectly natural to seek approval from your peers, especially when you yourself doubt the validity of your claim.

I wouldn't really read too much into what's being said on Bluemoon & by a few of my fellow supporters on here. Have had this discussion with a lot of other Blues around the way. None of us believe the revenue figures we quote are in anyway accurate. The only reason we quote these figures is to get round FFP. We will very likely be posting world record revenues within the next 2 sets of yearly accounts. I'm a staunch Blue but even i would see this as a ludicrous move. We would be putting ourselves out there as being more marketable than even Real & Barca. As it is we are not even in the top 3 of most marketable clubs in the PL.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Ever heard of conversion thoery? The minority in a group can have a disproportionate effect on influencing those in the majority.

It comes as no surprise to discover that practically all of the City posters in this thread appear both knowledgeable and confident in the claim that their clubs recent financial history is perfectly legitimate and without suspicion (breeeeeath). The desired effect is to convert United fans to their belief, earning their club recognition and acknowledgement for their achievements and the fans justification for supporting them in the process. Being in the minority only serves to empower their position. Consistent, confident minority voices are extremely effective.

Blatant conversion theory. They are doing it even if they don't realise it. Plus it's perfectly natural to seek approval from your peers, especially when you yourself doubt the validity of your claim.

Very interesting. My design team have employed this plenty of time at work without actually thinking about it.
On the City financial matter, I don't think anyone with common sense would believe that City are a self sustaining business with growth compared to Barcelona and Real Madrid and more than established clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. That is a losing battle if there ever was one.

 

[M18CTID]

You said that you knew him in real life, I said I am shocked someone would spend that much energy and time on a rival forum arguing about City's finances. The Amazon and Facebook part has no relevance yes.

Nope, I still don’t know what relevance any of that has to what you posted and what I responded with. You implied Didsbury Dan was on the payroll of City’s owners and I categorically stated he wasn’t, explaining that the country he works in was as far removed from Abu Dhabi as you can currently get in terms of diplomatic relations. Everything you posted since is irrelevant to that original response of mine.

 

[Random Task]

Ok, why don't you provide some facts about City's financial position? And, I mean, actual facts, not supposition.

I can think of nothing that extends beyond mere suspicion and since no fact exists to confirm these suspicions, there is nothing to discuss. If the greatest minds at FIFA cannot discover an infraction, what on earth gave you the impression that I could?

Take a look back through the 100+ pages of this thread, it's littered with United fans bending over backwards in an attempt to discover any wrongdoing regards City's finances. I won't be doing the same.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

And you were who on Bluemoon?

The lady do’th protest too much.

Go on then - what was your username on Bluemoon? And put the link up to the post that supposedly got you banned.

It seems likely that Steven_Seagull is like JohnnoWhite of Rawk. So probably Namco in a different form. If true, pretty sad.

 

[JASR]

I was Cyclone_Wash. We posted on some of the same threads on Bluemoon a while ago. I was actually going to PM you at one time as you were getting a bit of grief in the Utd section. I couldn't be arsed in the end though.




I wouldn't really read too much into what's being said on Bluemoon & by a few of my fellow supporters on here. Have had this discussion with a lot of other Blues around the way. None of us believe the revenue figures we quote are in anyway accurate. The only reason we quote these figures is to get round FFP. We will very likely be posting world record revenues within the next 2 sets of yearly accounts. I'm a staunch Blue but even i would see this as a ludicrous move. We would be putting ourselves out there as being more marketable than even Real & Barca. As it is we are not even in the top 3 of most marketable clubs in the PL.

Jeez.

A multiple banned WUM here.
Now posting as a united supporter pretending to be a City supporter here, having done previously on BM.

‘They are in better form ATM. Pogba is a huge loss for them though.’ on Dec 7th... no wonder you were caught and banned on BM.

 

[Random Task]

Jeez.

A multiple banned WUM here.
Now posting as a united supporter pretending to be a City supporter here, having done previously on BM.

‘They are in better form ATM. Pogba is a huge loss for them though.’ on Dec 7th... no wonder you were caught and banned on BM.

There are many City/Liverpool fans currently posting on this forum under the guise of United red. If (big if at this point) this guy is a United fan then he merely serves as an equalizer.

Beside I like him. He seems like quite a guy!

 

[Law's Law]

Academic? Hardly, I'm a fitness instructor and part-time carpenter. I'll try to answer your question as best I can, though.

City have turned a profit for 2 seasons running now thus, by definition, they are a profitable organization. How they arrived at this position is where the controversy rears up, but you would most likely consider those means of arrival entirely impertinent to your question. So we'll just stick a pin in that one.

I read about conversion theory many moons ago. It most certainly is not of my own creation, I'm merely indoctrinating the concept upon you fine people.

Actually the City fans in this thread are the minority, not I.

I am fully aware you are not the author of the conversion theory. I am crediting you for applying it accurately.

And no, City is not pofitable business because it turned a profit for 2 seasons running. It is because it is now worth double the investment. This is a big proposition which everyone seems to willingly ignore.

How they arrived is the controversy indeed, at least to many, but this is when it becomes mind baffling.
If fans are really obssessed with clubs being run as a businesses, why is it controversial when businesses actually invest? You see, it is either a business or it is not. You can not just choose what business fundamentals apply to football clubs.

I am sure you can find some exceptions, but how many big businesses of today had no investment or cash injection in its history?

 

[Random Task]

I was Cyclone_Wash. We posted on some of the same threads on Bluemoon a while ago. I was actually going to PM you at one time as you were getting a bit of grief in the Utd section. I couldn't be arsed in the end though.




I wouldn't really read too much into what's being said on Bluemoon & by a few of my fellow supporters on here. Have had this discussion with a lot of other Blues around the way. None of us believe the revenue figures we quote are in anyway accurate. The only reason we quote these figures is to get round FFP. We will very likely be posting world record revenues within the next 2 sets of yearly accounts. I'm a staunch Blue but even i would see this as a ludicrous move. We would be putting ourselves out there as being more marketable than even Real & Barca. As it is we are not even in the top 3 of most marketable clubs in the PL.

For what it's worth, you've got my vote as best oppo poster on the forum. Go you!

 

[el magico]

I can think of nothing that extends beyond mere suspicion and since no fact exists to confirm these suspicions, there is nothing to discuss. If the greatest minds at FIFA cannot discover an infraction, what on earth gave you the impression that I could?

Take a look back through the 100+ pages of this thread, it's littered with United fans bending over backwards in an attempt to discover any wrongdoing regards City's finances. I won't be doing the same.

Fair play. I think most City fans' comments on here about finance are because there seems a degree of delusion amongst the red side about the reality. We could have a chat about football finance in Sam Platts before the next OT derby if you like!

 

[Random Task]

Fair play. I think most City fans' comments on here about finance are because there seems a degree of delusion amongst the red side about the reality. We could have a chat about football finance in Sam Platts before the next OT derby if you like!

Interesting that you mention Sam Platts as I have recently discovered that it has been demolished to the last brick. To make way for a fecking tramline no less! Dispicable act? I agree but it is what it is.

 

[Blue doomer]

Were you GDM on bluemoon?

I'm not sure the biggest attention seeker on BM would venture over here. His ego couldn't take it.

 

[M18CTID]

I'm not sure the biggest attention seeker on BM would venture over here. His ego couldn't take it.

I wouldn’t call GDM an attention seeker. He’s a posh fooker though but I’ll let that go as he’s a top bloke and his local is a cracking pub.

 

[M18CTID]

For what it's worth, you've got my vote as best oppo poster on the forum. Go you!

I’m going to start posting really negatively about City in future in order to reclaim my title.

 

[M18CTID]

Jeez.

A multiple banned WUM here.
Now posting as a united supporter pretending to be a City supporter here, having done previously on BM.

‘They are in better form ATM. Pogba is a huge loss for them though.’ on Dec 7th... no wonder you were caught and banned on BM.

I remember some months back that a mod dug out namco’s post from when he first joined this forum. He was bragging about being banned from Bluemoon more times than any other poster so it kind of figures. I’d say he’s now got the title of “most banned poster on Red Cafe” to go with it.

 

[JASR]

I remember some months back that a mod dug out namco’s post from when he first joined this forum. He was bragging about being banned from Bluemoon more times than any other poster so it kind of figures. I’d say he’s now got the title of “most banned poster on Red Cafe” to go with it.

Perhaps he awards himself his own hand crafted trophies. (So many Alan Partridge ‘fan’ thoughts... eurgh)

I wonder if he has similar behaviour on RAWK and other team fan forums, or whether he just restricts himself to Manchester based ones.

A one man multi WUM.

 

[Blue doomer]

I wouldn’t call GDM an attention seeker. He’s a posh fooker though but I’ll let that go as he’s a top bloke and his local is a cracking pub.

When a 50 year old bloke refers to himself as a celebrity poster with the regularity he does, then that bares all the hallmarks of how i described him. No wonder he's always horizontal after the bluemoon pissups.

 

[M18CTID]

When a 50 year old bloke refers to himself as a celebrity poster with the regularity he does, then that bares all the hallmarks of how i described him. No wonder he's always horizontal after the bluemoon pissups.

I hate to break this to you but ever thought when he comes out with stuff like that that he might just be doing it with his tongue firmly wedged in cheek?

 

[Random Task]

I’m going to start posting really negatively about City in future in order to reclaim my title.

This is good, the very idea of negative City discussion is already beginning to sooth my insecurities. I hope your kin follow suit.

Say no to positive City threads.

 

[Random Task]

I am fully aware you are not the author of the conversion theory. I am crediting you for applying it accurately.

And no, City is not pofitable business because it turned a profit for 2 seasons running. It is because it is now worth double the investment. This is a big proposition which everyone seems to willingly ignore.

How they arrived is the controversy indeed, at least to many, but this is when it becomes mind baffling.
If fans are really obssessed with clubs being run as a businesses, why is it controversial when businesses actually invest? You see, it is either a business or it is not. You can not just choose what business fundamentals apply to football clubs.

I am sure you can find some exceptions, but how many big businesses of today had no investment or cash injection in its history?

I really have no desire in discussing City's finances, legitimate or otherwise. Been there done that. Anything I say on the subject would be nothing more than a regurgitation of what has been stated on numerous occasions in this thread already. All I will say is this, I have my suspicions. Much good they will do me.

I take you comply with my assertion that some form of conversion theory is taking place in this thread, be it intended or otherwise.

 

[black_crow]

Gabriel Jesus doesn't look that strong anymore.

He is turning 21 in April and he will need more time on the pitch to develop his skills.
Sterling, on the other hand, is doing a fantastic job. Sane is impressive too.

I don't think that City will win the CL. Bayern and Barca are still my favorites, but City, Real and Paris have a decent chance too.

 

[Kraftwerker]

I am fully aware you are not the author of the conversion theory. I am crediting you for applying it accurately.

And no, City is not pofitable business because it turned a profit for 2 seasons running. It is because it is now worth double the investment. This is a big proposition which everyone seems to willingly ignore.

How they arrived is the controversy indeed, at least to many, but this is when it becomes mind baffling.
If fans are really obssessed with clubs being run as a businesses, why is it controversial when businesses actually invest? You see, it is either a business or it is not. You can not just choose what business fundamentals apply to football clubs.

I am sure you can find some exceptions, but how many big businesses of today had no investment or cash injection in its history?

Yes, it’s entirely normal for start up businesses to be owned by an entire state and be used as a PR vehicle to launder the reputation of said state.

This is just ‘business’. Nothing to see (or hide) here.

 

[vamos_nadal]

Apart from the spending, what I am most impressed by is the improvement of players under Pep.

How is Fabian Delph such a versatile and competent left back all of a sudden?

And Sterling? Its unreal. He couldn't finish to save his life at Liverpool, and now he's turning into an assasin. The kid is on track to break 30 goals across all competitions this season. Ditto Sane. The improvement is spectacular.

I appreciate that Pep has spent a lot of funds to address issues in his squad, but he is fantastic at improving players. Another year of this and Sterling will be most productive winger in world football at this rate. I never thought that was possible, and I doubt any other manager could bring that out of him. Special stuff.

 

[Steven_Seagull]

For what it's worth, you've got my vote as best oppo poster on the forum. Go you!

It was a blessing in a way being banned from Bluemoon. It's such a depressing & negative place to be. It's also full of fawning sycophant's trying desperately to be 1 of the gang. It's great to be on a rival forum where opponents can be praised & criticised in equal measure. It's annoying that i am being hounded by the resident Bluemoon posters on this board though. Maybe we can all settle down & start talking football instead of playing the constant games of Guess Who.

 

[padr81]

It was a blessing in a way being banned from Bluemoon. It's such a depressing & negative place to be. It's also full of fawning sycophant's trying desperately to be 1 of the gang. It's great to be on a rival forum where opponents can be praised & criticised in equal measure. It's annoying that i am being hounded by the resident Bluemoon posters on this board though. Maybe we can all settle down & start talking football instead of playing the constant games of Guess Who.

Unfortunately its getting kind of hard to do either with all the fake accounts and Wum's like your good self. Also you're a red, if you're a blue so are Random Task and Ser and there is no way they are blues, but they are certainly not as anti City as you.

Also on your earlier post United had no mitigating circumstances vs us, nor did Spurs. So you're also lying there or please explain what they were. You can use you fake City support and Mane/Morata but give me the mitigating circumstances when we comfortably beat your team at OT and Spurs at home.

Nobody has issue with you expressing your opinion but just admit you're not a City fan because its clear your a red on the wind up.

 

[BobbyManc]

Kompany's injury is only minor so he's supposed to be fine for the next few games. Stones also has completed a training session and should make the bench at Palace. I'd expect Mangala to start still. Reports Txiki was in San Sebastian too, suggests a move might be imminent for Inigo Martinez.



Also, it's nice to see the captain has been spending his time injured productively.

 

[padr81]

I think Pep is in love with Otamendi. Asked about Stones was like John is great but Nico... Otamendi has been amazing. Seems like he likes Mangala too but will still move him on because he's so poor with the ball. Good to know Stones is on the mend and Delph soon too. If we can get our full squad back it'd be great (obviously we have to wait on Mendy) but we've had a tough couple of months losing Kompany, Stones, Silva, Delph, Foden.

 

[BobbyManc]

I think Pep is in love with Otamendi. Asked about Stones was like John is great but Nico... Otamendi has been amazing. Seems like he likes Mangala too but will still move him on because he's so poor with the ball. Good to know Stones is on the mend and Delph soon too. If we can get our full squad back it'd be great (obviously we have to wait on Mendy) but we've had a tough couple of months losing Kompany, Stones, Silva, Delph, Foden.

Is it just me who thinks Mangala is not that bad on the ball? He stands out because he's playing alongside people like Stones, Otamendi and Kompany who are all comfortable on the ball but he's composed and can still dribble when needed and knock the ball about well enough. It's his basic defending that continually lets him down, he's prone to silly errors and poor lapses in judgement. He's very good when he can play against a physical striker like Costa or Ibrahimovic where he can be aggressive but otherwise he struggles.

 

[JASR]

Is it just me who thinks Mangala is not that bad on the ball? He stands out because he's playing alongside people like Stones, Otamendi and Kompany who are all comfortable on the ball but he's composed and can still dribble when needed and knock the ball about well enough. It's his basic defending that continually lets him down, he's prone to silly errors and poor lapses in judgement. He's very good when he can play against a physical striker like Costa or Ibrahimovic where he can be aggressive but otherwise he struggles.

He’s had a torrid time at city.

Looked Okish the 1st few matches he ever played and had confidence. But that went South quite quickly, and it always felt like we were playing with 10 men and an accident.
Fair plays to him, he didn’t get another loan this year, seems to have dug in and although I cringe every time I see his name on the teamsheet, he’s done ok and is an adequate cover for our defensive injuries.
That’s also been helped by him playing as an attacker for 70%-80% of a game, along with everyone else.

 

[padr81]

Is it just me who thinks Mangala is not that bad on the ball? He stands out because he's playing alongside people like Stones, Otamendi and Kompany who are all comfortable on the ball but he's composed and can still dribble when needed and knock the ball about well enough. It's his basic defending that continually lets him down, he's prone to silly errors and poor lapses in judgement. He's very good when he can play against a physical striker like Costa or Ibrahimovic where he can be aggressive but otherwise he struggles.

Yeah he's ok on the ball but I think for Pep ok is not good enough. When you look at the improvements in Otamendi and even Kompany. I think Pep can forgive basic defensive mistakes when the play tries the right thing on the ball. Mangala is ok but looks panicy in our system. Shame because there is a decent player in there, just seems like he hasn't the confidence to be that player either defensively or offensively.

 

[RedStrudel76]

Mourinho can moan about spending till the cows come home, Pep is working with some dross players in that City squad. I have no doubt about that. They have a few great players but the rest are good and bang average players and Pep is getting them overachieving.

The downside to them being successful is the better players will be more likely to join City with Pep at the helm. The next Messi or Ronaldo's for example.. and not come to United.

 

[YesButNoButYes]

Man City are like tramps that won the lottery.

A club with unlimited funds thanks the wealth of politically motivated desires of their rich owner state.

I am not really surprised they are doing well.

What's surprising me is how the English football league still hasn't learned the lessons on the impact of football ownership on competition.

Abramovich pioneered it in 2003.
Glazers followed with an American, capitalistic version in 2005 by loading United with debt while pocketing £19m a year since doing very little.
The wealth Muslims next seized the global appeal of football by investing in City and PSG. The difference is this is obscene level of money that cannot be topped.

People hated the wealth of United, and secondly of Arsenal and Liverpool before but at least there it was self generated.

Now it's like cheat mode on Football Manager.

Only once the Premier League turns into Scottish Football in the next few years I think the FA will wake up (if they aren't bribed out by these owners).

 

[padr81]

Man City are like tramps that won the lottery.

A club with unlimited funds thanks the wealth of politically motivated desires of their rich owner state.

I am not really surprised they are doing well.

What's surprising me is how the English football league still hasn't learned the lessons on the impact of football ownership on competition.

Abramovich pioneered it in 2003.
Glazers followed with an American, capitalistic version in 2005 by loading United with debt while pocketing £19m a year since doing very little.
The wealth Muslims next seized the global appeal of football by investing in City and PSG. The difference is this is obscene level of money that cannot be topped.

People hated the wealth of United, and secondly of Arsenal and Liverpool before but at least there it was self generated.

Now it's like cheat mode on Football Manager.

Only once the Premier League turns into Scottish Football in the next few years I think the FA will wake up (if they aren't bribed out by these owners).

You sound like a classy guy. Manage to even squeeze a little racism in. I can see you lasting a long time here.

 

[Kapardin]

You sound like a classy guy. Manage to even squeeze a little racism in. I can see you lasting a long time here.

Yeah, that was embarrassing. Keep it civil, ffs. Think we need to do our talking on the pitch rather than moan about what City are doing off it.