Ha ha - now THAT is hypocrisy.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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United paid £29.1M for Ferdinand in 2002. I'm not making a head to head comparison, however nobody knew back in 2002 how good he was to become.
For a FB. Even you must know that good CBs sell for much more.
True to some degree but Rio was close to a sure thing when we got him. He'd already performed to a high level in Champions League and a World Cup.
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On the other side he's a damn good CB right now - which is what we needed (not potential, we have that in Gomez and it seems, if rumours are true, the inbound Akanji). And not even you believe he's only worth £35m (before bonuses). Probably in this market and the shortage of available good, experienced, CBs then £50m would be about right, the premium is the PL and the debacle from last Summer.
When´s that supposed to happen? During Liverpool corners or will United leave their own half this time?
They won't. He's 26-27 (July) now, a couple of good years at LFC and he would already be past his sell-by date as far as those teams are concerned. However if we can get 5-6 years of solid defending out of him, it'll have been worth it to us.
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And that's the crux of it. In the end the money will be forgotten. If he fails then we'll/he'll be roasted, and rightly so. If he's successful and helps shore up our defence he'll be considered a good buy regardless of the price.
I doubt anyone has any serious expectations that he'll be the best CB in the world. The price is simply immaterial in that regard.
Decent bit of insight in this article.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-went-against-instincts-to-land-virgil-van-dijk-35cj9r0bf
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-went-against-instincts-to-land-virgil-van-dijk-35cj9r0bf
This argument is fallacious though.
You can't criticise person A for doing misdemeanor B because person C has also committed misdemeanor B.
Or, it's okay that Dave stole the money because Peter also stole some money.
I can imagine how well that would work as a defence.
Nobody thinks that Jose is a lovely person when he is in his role as a football manager and rightly so. However, Klopp gets a lot of praise and yet also behaves like a twat. It's the different perceptions in the media that are being argued.
That's the same logic that says we paid £30M, or whatever, for Anderson, when we actually paid £20M, or £18M, or something.
My feeling is that he has forced the hand of other managers in PL now. They will all point out that the Reds have strengthened significantly.
For Liverpool it's a great addition which will possibly help them in achieving a Top 4 placement. It may also prove beneficial in the Champions League.
For Liverpool it's a great addition which will possibly help them in achieving a Top 4 placement. It may also prove beneficial in the Champions League.
We overpaid by around 15 to 25 million,given that both Chelsea and City wanted him.
I don't mind. The reason is simple enough. With VVD and Keita, we've finally departed from our 'move down the shortlist of targets till we find someone that matches our valuation and wants to come here' strategy and have determined we'd rather overpay for our primary targets. By all accounts, Klopp put his foot down on this one after being told we needed to look at other targets.
It's about time. Ferguson would approve, I'm sure, "value in the market" notwithstanding.
It's very difficult to say whether Liverpool have overpaid for VVD because (1) we don't know how important he is going to be for them and (2) we don't know the state of the market. Pogba was a world record signing and now 90m do not look that much at all. If VVD is a big success, he will be worth every penny even at 75m.
So why do most Liverpool fans keep banging on about Pogba's fee? Even you lot must know that good Midfielders sell for much more than CBs.
As I said before, Klopp had a go at United for spending such a large amount on Pogba and then spends a stupid amount on VVD (even you must admit that).
He's made a right tit of himself again but I'm not expecting any LFC fans to ever criticise him.
No such thing as overpaying anymore. You either get the players you want and they perform, get no players, or get the players you want and they fail. Those 3 options are what it's all about.
I know that. It was in reply to TheReligion who said that Pogba’s cost was not £95m including add-ons, basically stating top line fees with add-ons for Liverpool transfers, but omitting add-ons for United transfers, giving a false comparison.
It’s a bit disingenuous to selectively pick when to use add-ons to support your argument.
If VVD was £75m then Lukaku was £90m and Pog was £95m.
Feck me, we are clutching at straws now. When we bought Pogba, €105m was about £89m.
In 2007, €105m was about £70m.
So if we're changing the date of transfer to suit our argument, we'll say the transfer happened back in 2007.
How can Pogba's fee ever be £95m??
At the time of the transfer, the fee was about £89m with about £4m in possible add-ons.
I just think wtf is the football world heading to when a Southampton player sells for €70+ million
Good to see Jose saying as it is.
Liverpool fans are all giddy now, but do they realise they have to find a new manager soon-ish?
"The day that this is football, I'm not in a job anymore."
"The day that this is football, I'm not in a job anymore."
I don't think you quite got that post somehow.
"The problem with my life is that I've said too much s**t in the past and no-one forgets it"
Prophetic words right there.
Anyway, this is what he has to say now:
"The past half year changed pretty much everything. It is not nice, but that is the market. That is the world. We have to adapt."
Yeah his reply was calm and that's in other tweets, my post wasn't about reply it's about Jose reminding Journalists what to do.
Klopp probably didn’t realise that prices were going to explode when he made those Pogba comments. I doubt that he expected to have to pay so much to land his targets.
He would’ve been better off not saying anything about what other clubs pay for players though. He’s left himself open to criticism because of how things have turned out.
He would’ve been better off not saying anything about what other clubs pay for players though. He’s left himself open to criticism because of how things have turned out.
I very rarely agree with anything Mourinho says but he was pretty calm and rational today I think. I don't even think he was taking a dig or anything. His complete quote is actually quite reasonable:
"If I was one of you, I would ask him about his comments one year ago."
"The reality is that if they think that the player is the right player for them and they really want the player they pay his amount or they don’t have the player because that is the way the market is at that time so when we compare now the amount of money certain managers and club spend try to compare that I am not saying with 10 years ago but three years ago is to compare the impossible."
"VVD most expensive defender in history of football. Was he better than Maldini, Bergomi, Rio F? Cannot say that. It is way market is. If you pay, you pay a crazy amount of money. If you don't, you don't have the player. Simple as that. No criticism about that."
"The problem with my life is that I've said too much s**t in the past and no-one forgets it"
Prophetic words right there.
Anyway, this is what he has to say now:
"The past half year changed pretty much everything. It is not nice, but that is the market. That is the world. We have to adapt."
Ah yes, because Juventus, multiple Serie A champions and CL contenders, were going to let go of Paul Pogba for 30m a year ago.
It was the market when we bought Pogba as well. One of the most marketable players and a WC talent bought from one of the worlds top 4-5 clubs.
You had players like Stones, Sane and Xhaka transfering for 45-56m Euros.
Klopp just saw an easy chance for a potshot and went for it.
He saw it as a chance to have a pop at United to endear himself to the Liverpool fans...
Otherwise, if it's true what you say, that he hadn't a clue prices were going to explode, he's a fool!
Everyone saw it coming!
You have to admit that £89 million was a lot of money in football when you signed him.
If you’d signed him last summer it wouldn’t have stirred up such a fuss considering some of the other fees being thrown around for the likes of Lukaku, Walker, Morata and now Van Dijk.
He's absolutely spot on there. If the selling club want a certain amount you have to pay up. Sticking to your own low price estimate usually means not getting your target as we have learned in the past.
At the same time Jose also said Pogba's fee would look small compared to other signings and he was spot on, which means he sort of predicted the market and made the move before prices becomes even more ridiculous.
You expected players like Neymar, Morata, Walker, VVD etc to go for the fees that they went for in the summer?
I didn’t.
Maybe Mourinho was better at predicting it than Klopp was. I didn’t expect fees to blow up like they did last summer.
Makes you wonder where it’ll end.
Jeez, you and your obsession with Lukaku.
That is why he should have shut up and not make unnecessary comment like I will quit blah blah. He could have wisely chosen to say yes Pogba's fee is expensive but that is the trend now, but he decided to act smart ass and now look like a clown. I know we all are human beings and we all say things only to look back at that and laugh, we all make mistakes but to defend those is a joke.
That's pretty much this thread. Klopp looks like an ass yet again because of comments he made and really also because of his comments about his defense in the beginning of the season which obviously weren't true.
Players are expensive. They are even more expensive from PL teams and they are even more expensive if a PL team buys from another PL team and they are even more expensive if that purchase happens in the middle of the season.
Everyone knew that this kind of transfer had to happen for Liverpool, they should have done it before the season started and they're paying premium for it instead and Southampton are reaping the benefits. What's bad about this transfer is that the clubs looking for a CB will have to pay more now.