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Stanley Road said:
I'm afraid it's not, there is a process the company has to follow which is exactly as you describe in your paragraphs but in NL the company will only follow that process if......

A) The company really wants you
B) The company really wants you
C) The company really wants you

so yes, I am very correct in what I say, I have looked into it in depth over the last 20 years.
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The company will follow the process:

A) The company really wants you
B) The company really wants you
C) The company really wants you

The government at the ultimate instance can:

A) Give a feck or not give a feck
B) Give a feck or not give a feck
C) Give a feck or not give a feck

Also:

A) NL regulations are not FR Regulations for non EU
B) NL regulations are not FR Regulations for non EU
C) NL regulations are not FR Regulations for non EU

Brexit:

A) Not only afects NL and Kentonio
B) Not only afects NL and Kentonio
C) Not only afects NL and Kentonio


Making comments like, don´t cry if you lose your job and you need to sell your house and basically lose all what you fought for because "Hey, is your fault because your company does not want you enough" it ranges from insensitivity to being a cnut
 
Stanley Road said:
This is just overreaction. I know for certain non eu citizens are working here. I know for certain they will remain here so long as they have work with no break longer than 3 months between jobs. I know companies desperately want them and the measures they have gone thru to keep them.
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In Dublin we’ve had nonEU people working here, that we’ve had to let go because their visa expired
 
The blue passport fiasco shows how easy people are deceived and it is to stoke up nationalism.
 
golden_blunder said:
In Dublin we’ve had nonEU people working here, that we’ve had to let go because their visa expired
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Non EU's come here with a visa on limited time, same as in Dublin I guess?

They get employed cos hey, guess what, the company really wants them right?

The company has by then written to the authorities explaining that they have advertised the job nationally and there were no suitable candidates right?

Then they have advertised it Europe wide and have found a candidate outside the eu, not only is this candidate perfect but with us having to force them from their country they also qualify for the 70% tax ruling right? Wrong, that's how it works in NL and thats how it can work anywhere depending on how much your company wants you( did i mention that yet ). The guage on how much they want you depends on how much of that beurocratic bullshit they are prepared to do for you. If they aren't then they don't want you that much.
 
Stanley Road said:
Non EU's come here with a visa on limited time, same as in Dublin I guess?

They get employed cos hey, guess what, the company really wants them right?

The company has by then written to the authorities explaining that they have advertised the job nationally and there were no suitable candidates right?

Then they have advertised it Europe wide and have found a candidate outside the eu, not only is this candidate perfect but with us having to force them from their country they also qualify for the 70% tax ruling right? Wrong, that's how it works in NL and thats how it can work anywhere depending on how much your company wants you( did i mention that yet ). The guage on how much they want you depends on how much of that beurocratic bullshit they are prepared to do for you. If they aren't then they don't want you that much.
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Is as simply as before Bosman law my friend. The more restriccions you have because of your origin, the more difficult is that they hire you. I went to an interview, and they liked me enough to go right away with the second interview. What he would be my boss said that they really liked me but they didn´t want to hire me bcause I only had 1 year visa. It didn´t matter that I explain them about visa rules, sponsorization, lied that I had a fianceé. They simply were not sure of the legal implications and they had other candidates that they might not like as much but they knew they could remain in the country

I really do not know how you are so stubborn. Of course, if you are a fecking master of the universe in your job, you will never have a problem, but sorry, some people are more mundane at what we do and changes in our visa situation might mean that we can lose everything that we fought for.

And yes, now be a cnut and say: "it is hyour fault to not be better and that your company didn´t want you enough"

Guess what, some companies wants you enough in determinate conditions, if that conditions changes, the company might not have a choice or they might have a choice but you are less valueable. So blaming the change of conditions is completely fair, because @Kentonio would be perfectly fine without Brexit

You could try and be more empathic, would make you a better person
 
Stanley Road said:
Non EU's come here with a visa on limited time, same as in Dublin I guess?

They get employed cos hey, guess what, the company really wants them right?

The company has by then written to the authorities explaining that they have advertised the job nationally and there were no suitable candidates right?

Then they have advertised it Europe wide and have found a candidate outside the eu, not only is this candidate perfect but with us having to force them from their country they also qualify for the 70% tax ruling right? Wrong, that's how it works in NL and thats how it can work anywhere depending on how much your company wants you( did i mention that yet ). The guage on how much they want you depends on how much of that beurocratic bullshit they are prepared to do for you. If they aren't then they don't want you that much.
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Cites bureaucratic bullshit, wants to enact a load of through Brexit
 
It's quite a testament to how far we'd go to appease the dumbest person in the room when we're actually going to spend billions and billions of pounds to extract ourselves from an organisation we belong to, then even more money enshrining pretty much every rule we had to abide by within that organisation into law to get to a stage where we were before only without having any direct say or influence over which rules we now have to oblige ourselves to follow.

But hey - blue passports! Woot!
 
4bars said:
Is as simply as before Bosman law my friend. The more restriccions you have because of your origin, the more difficult is that they hire you. I went to an interview, and they liked me enough to go right away with the second interview. What he would be my boss said that they really liked me but they didn´t want to hire me bcause I only had 1 year visa. It didn´t matter that I explain them about visa rules, sponsorization, lied that I had a fianceé. They simply were not sure of the legal implications and they had other candidates that they might not like as much but they knew they could remain in the country

I really do not know how you are so stubborn. Of course, if you are a fecking master of the universe in your job, you will never have a problem, but sorry, some people are more mundane at what we do and changes in our visa situation might mean that we can lose everything that we fought for.

And yes, now be a cnut and say: "it is hyour fault to not be better and that your company didn´t want you enough"

Guess what, some companies wants you enough in determinate conditions, if that conditions changes, the company might not have a choice or they might have a choice but you are less valueable. So blaming the change of conditions is completely fair, because @Kentonio would be perfectly fine without Brexit

You could try and be more empathic, would make you a better person
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First paragraph says it all. I could tell you what would have happened here but you wont listen so no point.
 
Stanley Road said:
First paragraph says it all. I could tell you what would have happened here but you wont listen so no point.
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is you that don't listen. Companies want it easy and for them, 99% of people is expendable, they can find a replacement
 
Dear Prime Minister,

The hardest thing in politics is to bring about lasting change for the better, and I believe in co-operation across parties to achieve it.

In this spirit I was glad to accept reappointment last year as Chair of the independent National Infrastructure Commission, when you also reaffirmed your support for HS2, which will help overcome England's north-south divide when it opens in just eight years time. I would like to thank you for your courtesy in our personal dealings.

The Commission has done good work in the past 27 months, thanks to dedicated public servants and commissioners. Sir John Armitt, my deputy chair, and Phil Graham, chief executive, have been brilliant throughout. I am particularly proud of our plans for equipping the UK with world-class 4G and 5G mobile systems; for Crossrail 2 in London and HS3 to link the Northern cities; and for transformational housing growth in the Oxford-Milton Keynes-Cambridge corridor.

I hope these plans are implemented without delay. However, my work at the Commission has become increasingly clouded by disagreement with the Government, and after much consideration I am writing to resign because of fundamental differences which simply cannot be bridged.

The European Union Withdrawal Bill is the worst legislation of my lifetime. It arrives soon in the House of Lords and I feel duty bound to oppose it relentlessly from the Labour benches.

Brexit is a populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. After the narrow referendum vote, a form of associate membership of the EU might have been attempted without rupturing Britain's key trading and political alliances. Instead, by allying with UKIP and the Tory hard right to wrench Britain out of the key economic and political institutions of modern Europe, you are pursuing a course fraught with danger. Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade.

If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children's generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.

A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse. The Government is hurtling towards the EU's emergency exit with no credible plan for the future of British trade and European co-operation, all the while ignoring - beyond soundbites and inadequate programmes - the crises of housing, education, the NHS, and social and regional inequality which are undermining the fabric of our nation and feeding a populist surge.

What Britain needs in 2018 is a radically reforming government in the tradition of Attlee, working tirelessly to eradicate social problems while strengthening Britain's international alliances. This is a cause I have long advocated, and acted upon in government, and I intend to pursue it with all the energy I can muster.

Britain must be deeply engaged, responsible and consistent as a European power. When in times past we have isolated ourselves from the Continent in the name of 'empire' or 'sovereignty,' we were soon sucked back in. This will inevitably happen again, given our power, trade, democratic values and sheer geography. Putin and the rise of authoritarian nationalism in Poland and Hungry are flashing red lights. As Edmund Burke so wisely wrote, 'people will not look forwards to posterity who do not look backwards to their ancestors.'

However, I would have been obliged to resign from the Commission at this point anyway because of the Transport Secretary's indefensible decision to bail-out the Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast rail franchise. The bailout will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds, possibly billions if other loss-making rail companies demand equal treatment. It benefits only the billionaire owners of these companies and their shareholders, while pushing rail fares still higher and threatening national infrastructure investment. It is even more inexcusable given the Brexit squeeze on public spending.

The only rationale I can discern for the bailout is as a cynical political manoeuvre by Chris Grayling, a hard right Brexiteer, to avoid following my 2009 precedent when National Express defaulted on its obligations to the state for the same East Coast franchise because it too had overbid for the contract. I set up a successful public operator to take over East Coast services and banned National Express from bidding for new contracts. The same should have been done in this case. Yet, astonishingly, Stagecoach has not only been bailed out: it remains on the shortlist for the next three rail franchises.

The East Coast affair will inevitably come under close scrutiny by the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee, and I need to be free to set out serious public interest concerns. I hope the PAC calls Sir Richard Branson and Sir Brian Souter to give evidence. I am ready to share troubling evidence with the PAC and other parliamentary committees investigating the bailout.

As you know, I raised these concerns with the Chancellor and the Transport Secretary as soon as the bailout became apparent from the small print of an odd policy statement on 29 November majoring on reversing Beeching rail closures of the 1960s. I received no response from either Minister beyond inappropriate requests to desist.

Brexit is causing a nervous breakdown across Whitehall and conduct unworthy of Her Majesty's Government. I am told, by those of longer experience, that it resembles Suez and the bitter industrial strife of the 1970s, both of which endangered not only national integrity but the authority of the state itself.

You occupy one of the most powerful offices in the history of the world, the heir of Churchill, Attlee and Gladstone. Whatever our differences, I wish you well in guiding our national destiny at this critical time.

Yours sincerely,

Andrew Adonis.
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I can see that... and in 25 years I wouldn't at all be surprised to see us back in Europe.. . But with no rebates or opt outs (ie paying more and using the euro)... but demographically so many of those that voted to leave will be dead and it's such a divisive issue I can't see that many remainers switching sides or the young vote moving to leave so yeah I can see that potentially playing out
 
sun_tzu said:
I can see that... and in 25 years I wouldn't at all be surprised to see us back in Europe.. . But with no rebates or opt outs (ie paying more and using the euro)... but demographically so many of those that voted to leave will be dead and it's such a divisive issue I can't see that many remainers switching sides or the young vote moving to leave so yeah I can see that potentially playing out
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Yes. That's why a faux-Brexit is the only that makes sense in the long term. Let the pensioners have their little xenophobic dream and the younger generations have an easier clean up when we're in charge.
 
More shit from Micron and his vision of France and the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/31/macrons-new-years-speech-france-cant-succeed-without-a-strong-Europe

However, his speech came against the backdrop of a planned clampdown on illegal migrantion in France. Macron pointed to a France with problems such as discrimination on housing estates and warned against a country that was “too long divided”, urging for more harmony. He promised a large-scale social project for 2018, without giving details.
 
Kentonio said:
Foreign Secretary to Business Secretary would be a major demotion no matter how much they try to sugar coat it. I doubt May has the political capital to pull it off.
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I don't know how Boris Johnson has the political capital to be within a hundred miles of Westminster. He's been so disastrous that he shouldn't even be allowed to go in with the tourists.
 
Member 5225 said:
Surely even hardcore Remainers would agree that this is outrageous!!

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Although politically stupid, Farage was ready to call for a third referendum (including the one in 1973) if his side lost. People forget this and forget the incessant whingeing by euphobes over the last 40 years.
 
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