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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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4bars said:
no, no sorry for facts

Sorry for not consider that is because they have good professionals

you are a xenofobic individual. Fact, and sorry not sorry dude
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There’s nothing xenophobic about the truth. Cheap labour is 99% of the reason why tech companies move.

In the UK most of the big tech distributors have all their warehouses in the north, and so does Amazon, not because of the level of professionals, that never entered their mind when making the decision, but because of the cheap labour and cheap real estate. They can afford to pay people less money because the cost of living is low and they can buy land and developments very cheap.

Apple, Microsoft and a host of other companies carried out most of their UK operations from Ireland, not because of the level of professionals but because of their taxation levels, cheap labour and real estate.

Dell moved their production from Ireland to Poland, again not because of the level of professionals but in their own words in favour of the cheaper workforce. Their moved their finance and accounting from UK to Czech Republic again not because of the level of professionals but because they could pay people to do the same job for half the money.

There are professionals doing the same job in every country to the same standard so the decision for corporations will come based on their goals and saving money is always top of the pile so there’s no reason to be offended.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
There’s nothing xenophobic about the truth. Cheap labour is 99% of the reason why tech companies move.

In the UK most of the big tech distributors have all their warehouses in the north, and so does Amazon, not because of the level of professionals, that never entered their mind when making the decision, but because of the cheap labour and cheap real estate. They can afford to pay people less money because the cost of living is low and they can buy land and developments very cheap.

Apple, Microsoft and a host of other companies carried out most of their UK operations from Ireland, not because of the level of professionals but because of their taxation levels, cheap labour and real estate.

Dell moved their production from Ireland to Poland, again not because of the level of professionals but in their own words in favour of the cheaper workforce. Their moved their finance and accounting from UK to Czech Republic again not because of the level of professionals but because they could pay people to do the same job for half the money.

There are professionals doing the same job in every country to the same standard so the decision for corporations will come based on their goals and saving money is always top of the pile so there’s no reason to be offended.
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The relevance here is doing the same job (so same quality, same level) cheaper. Cheaper labour but not made by dumb monkeys.

Also, why did not do it before? Also, why they don´t do it in cheaper countries. Definitely Spain has not the cheapest labour of the 27 (about the 10-15th of the union. Even Catalonia, Madrid and Basque country (where I suspect it will go) is above European average.

De comment it was a xenophobic cliché. period
 
Anyway I am out of last page posting conversation. Is a derail and I am not that offended in reality. Sometimes I loose myself trying to make a point that is not that important

Sorry for the xenofobic part @Stanley Road
 
Stanley Road said:
Thats the spirit. Every silver lining has a cloud.
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If it convinces 17m people that their stupid decision was actually great, then yes thats a cloud. It encourages people to continue to ignore experts and think their own hunches and intuitions are a substitute for data and evidence. Especially as you can absolutely guarantee that even if the rest of Europe shows much bigger growth, that will be completely ignored.
 
What I found most interesting was his assertion that Brexit was not the most important factor concerning Britain's economic future.
 
Facts and brexitremism don't mix well, that's how.
 
Jippy said:
It's coming from a lower base, having had a longer and deeper recession, with an ECB policy misstep thrown in along the way.
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I'm being facetious. The EU as a whole shouldn't be compared to other nations economically as every nation within has its own economic policies
 
In a meeting today, at which we were not present, it seems that the EU 27 took 2 minutes to agree on what terms to offer the UK. Rees-Mogg is saying that we'll become a vassal state. Now only 14 months to go and one Tory minister has called the hard-brexiteer ministers "swivel-eyed". That doesn't look good.
 
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The government has finally admitted what all sensible people suspected since the beginning of this charade - we'll be worse off under all scenarios. The only positive I can find in all of this is that even the government cannot and or are unable to lie to themselves about the negative impact of Brexit but conversely, it means it has to be really bad for them to be unable to spin it in a more positive, red, white and blue fashion....


I would now like to invite all the genius Brexiters on here to argue why these studies won't reflect reality, in a broad sense, of leaving the EU and how we'll be better off once we leave.

EDIT1: The best thing about the three scenarios considered is that to offset some of the negatives, there is consideration of 'relaxing' employment laws, environmental standards and regulation. I thought that'd never happen but I guess lying is to these people is like breathing for other common folk.
 
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Rightnr said:
The government has finally admitted what all sensible people suspected since the beginning of this charade - we'll be worse off under all scenarios. The only positive I can find in all of this is that even the government cannot and or are unable to lie to themselves about the negative impact of Brexit but conversely, it means it has to be really bad for them to be unable to spin it in a more positive, red, white and blue fashion....


I would now like to invite all the genius Brexiters on here to argue why these studies won't reflect reality, in a broad sense, of leaving the EU and how we'll be better off once we leave.
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Asked why the prime minister was not making the analysis public, a DExEU source told BuzzFeed News: "Because it's embarrassing.
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fecking hell.
 
The things is, even that leaves us 2% worse off with, as I mentioned, reduced protection for workers and the environment. It's a bloody lose, lose. Why can't people see it... argh.
 
Great to hear. Now you can go back to enjoying the sand, seeing as that's where most Brexiters' heads are located most of the time.

The economic impact of of a 1% reduction in GDP is usually substantial in terms of increased poverty which will obviously allow the rich to exploit workers even more after the cosy fire the Tories will build with all that inconvenient regulation.

It's not even worth thinking what 8% will do and that is assuming a trade deal with the other major economies comes through.
 
Rightnr said:
Great to hear. Now you can go back to enjoying the sand, seeing as that's where most Brexiters' heads are located most of the time.

The economic impact of of a 1% reduction in GDP is usually substantial in terms of increased poverty which will obviously allow the rich to exploit workers even more after the cosy fire the Tories will build with all that inconvenient regulation.

It's not even worth thinking what 8% will do and that is assuming a trade deal with the other major economies comes through.
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I'm not a Brexiter, and I think you missed the bit where I said 'better than I'd feared'.
 
I'm sorry about sounding so defensive but I thought you were trolling me. Why?
Because a 5-6% drop (taking the average of the three scenarios) is awful given all the assumed mitigating circumstances.

Just look at how the 2008 crisis is still being felt by normal people. It is by no means a 'it's not as bad as we hoped' verdict. I will be OK but I just really fear for the more vulnerable in this country.

All of these discussions also centre around numbers. We are not even discussing loss of influence on the international stage.
 
Rightnr said:
I'm sorry about sounding so defensive but I thought you were trolling me. Why?
Because a 5-6% drop (taking the average of the three scenarios) is awful given all the assumed mitigating circumstances.

Just look at how the 2008 crisis is still being felt by normal people. It is by no means a 'it's not as bad as we hoped' verdict. I will be OK but I just really fear for the more vulnerable in this country.

All of these discussions also centre around numbers. We are not even discussing loss of influence on the international stage.
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Not voting Tory would be a good start.
You've still misread me by the way, I didn't say 'not as bad as we hoped', I said 'better than I'd feared'. A bit different.
 
I get what you're saying but if it was any worse, we'd talking disaster levels.

On voting Tory (and I now have the right to vote), believe me when I say this - I won't be voting Tory for a very long time, if ever again. My constituency is Lib Dem anyway, so I feel quite at home even if they are not in great shape atm.

I first got interested in British politics when I saw a government which includes May may come into power. It's all been mostly downhill from there.
 
I’d imagine most leavers would be over the moon with a 1% drop if it got us out of the EU. Remainers still seem to believe it’s all about the economy but it isn’t. Can’t see too many people on either side being happy with this situation anyway.
 
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Fair play to Buzzfeed, they've gone from a clickbait joke site, to a news site with some great exclusives. Quite incredible turnaround really.

Steven Seagull said:
I’d imagine most leavers would be over the moon with a 1% drop if it got us out of the EU. Remainers still seem to believe it’s all about the economy but it isn’t.
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Everything is about the economy. If Leavers genuinely believed it would hurt them personally economically, the vast majority would change to Remain. The trouble is, they don't believe that.
 
Kentonio said:
If Leavers genuinely believed it would hurt them personally economically, the vast majority would change to Remain. The trouble is, they don't believe that.
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Not sure how you can say that forst bit with so much conviction. Second bit is probably true though.
 
Steven Seagull said:
I’m not so sure. Everything has pointed to a negative impact on the economy since day 1 and yet the polls remain pretty steady.
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I'm pretty sure that it's because the narrative was that experts knew nothing or were working for the EU. At least that's what the FN used to say in France, I assume that UKIP are the same.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Nobody cares about the economy because they just want all the foreigners out.
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I would say that some want the foreigners out and others believe everything their camp claims, including lunacies like "we know better than experts".
 
I honestly think there is a significant constituency of Leave voters who did understand we would take an economic hit and voted Leave anyway. Politics is usually driven by the economy, but on this occasion I think there were cultural issues at play to a greater degree than is usually the case.

Even to the extent it is about the economy, these kinds of numbers - a loss of 2% of growth or 5% of growth or whatever - are pretty meaningless. Even when the economy is growing strongly people are being left behind, so I think they felt, what do I have to lose?
 
Adebesi said:
I honestly think there is a significant constituency of Leave voters who did understand we would take an economic hit and voted Leave anyway. Politics is usually driven by the economy, but on this occasion I think there were cultural issues at play to a greater degree than is usually the case.

Even to the extent it is about the economy, these kinds of numbers - a loss of 2% of growth or 5% of growth or whatever - are pretty meaningless. Even when the economy is growing strongly people are being left behind, so I think they felt, what do I have to lose?
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These kind of numbers aren't meaningless, I don't think people realize what 1% represents.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Not sure how you can say that forst bit with so much conviction. Second bit is probably true though.
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It's a political truism. People's own economic situation (or at least their own perceptions of it) is far and away the primary motivator of their voting patterns. When you talk to Leave voters, it's very clear they believe that while there might be a small temporary bump, that it will lead to a big economic increase later. You can always find a few extremists who genuinely don't care, but for the vast majority anything that makes them poorer is a complete no go.
 
JPRouve said:
These kind of numbers aren't meaningless, I don't think people realize what 1% represents.
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Sorry - it may not have been clear what I meant - these kinds of numbers are pretty meaningless to a specific constituency of people, the kind of people who live in small towns where there are very few jobs even when the economy is growing, where anyone with any ambition has to leave (probably to London, or if not to another big city) and where there are load of immigrants who are happy to work for a lot less money than they will work for. Where unemployment is high and, as I said, life has been pretty shit anyway, even when the economy was growing. So they think sod it, so the economy contracts by a few percent, what difference does that make to me when I am living on benefits anyway and cant get a job because Im not a graduate and there are no jobs I have the skills to do, and I cant make ends meet doing the ones there are? They arent the ones who suffer the most when the economy shrinks by 2% (or however much), it is the people in London who suffer when the banks leave - or at least the graduates in the big cities who actually have decent jobs to lose. But why should these unemployed, unqualified people care? They lost their jobs years ago.

This is a massive generalisation of course, but this I think is the kind of sentiment that is out there.
 
Adebesi said:
Sorry - it may not have been clear what I meant - these kinds of numbers are pretty meaningless to a specific constituency of people, the kind of people who live in small towns where there are very few jobs even when the economy is growing, where anyone with any ambition has to leave (probably to London, or if not to another big city) and where there are load of immigrants who are happy to work for a lot less money than they will work for. Where unemployment is high and, as I said, life has been pretty shit anyway, even when the economy was growing. So they think sod it, so the economy contracts by a few percent, what difference does that make to me when I am living on benefits anyway and cant get a job because Im not a graduate and there are no jobs I have the skills to do, and I cant make ends meet doing the ones there are? They arent the ones who suffer the most when the economy shrinks by 2% (or however much), it is the people in London who suffer when the banks leave - or at least the graduates in the big cities who actually have decent jobs to lose. But why should these unemployed, unqualified people care? They lost their jobs years ago.

This is a massive generalisation of course, but this I think is the kind of sentiment that is out there.
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Simple. The benefits come from somewhere, if your economy shrinks by 2% to 5%, the benefits will be one of the first target, the people in your town that have a job might lose them which could easily kill your little town, the ones that could have left and partially finance your benefits will be in line with you at the job center or collecting their reduced benefits and that chain continue up to London.
 
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