Premier League Gameweek 26 (3rd - 5th February 2018)

Arbitrium said:
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For those saying not a penalty
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Good spot, didn't notice the hit on the leg, thought it was merely a knee to the back kind of stuff.
 
Siorac said:
You're still wrong though.

  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
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  • gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
  • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
  • been deliberately saved by any opponent

Kane was in an offside position when the pass was made and it clearly had an impact on Lovren's actions. His attempt for a clearance ('a deliberate save') doesn't change it; it was the result of an opposing player in an offside position. It was offside, no question.
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Well this I agree with.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
How some of you don't see that van dijk kicked lamela ?
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Well to be fair VVD was trying to clear the ball. He just failed abysmally at it and booted Lamela, its a clear pen, he didnt get any of the ball and kicked an opposing player, yes he tried to pull out of the wild swing of the foot, but still kicked him. Lamela made a total academy awards display out of it, could have easily stayed on his feet, but every player goes to ground like they've been shot nowadays it seems. And if you dont, refs dont generally award you the penalty.
 
Absolutely top notch bitterness from Klopp. What a glorious result.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I can’t agree Duffer at all. He is trying to clear the ball because they are under pressure and that is what defenders do. What would you expect him to do in that situation?
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A ball coming in without any attackers in sight, you just run alongside it or let it go through to the keeper. You really reckon every defender snatches at every ball coming close to them?
 
Siorac said:
You're still wrong though.

  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
  • gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
  • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
  • been deliberately saved by any opponent

Kane was in an offside position when the pass was made and it clearly had an impact on Lovren's actions. His attempt for a clearance ('a deliberate save') doesn't change it; it was the result of an opposing player in an offside position. It was offside, no question.
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They’ve just had Dermot Gallagher on TV watching the replay and he said exactly the same as me. But if you think you understand the rules better than an ex top level ref then fine.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I can’t agree Duffer at all. He is trying to clear the ball because they are under pressure and that is what defenders do. What would you expect him to do in that situation?
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Take a touch, let the ball run through to the goalie. There's no doubt in my mind that Kane's position (offside), right up his arse had an impact.
 
duffer said:
From the laws of the game...

In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position.

Surely this says that if a pass hits a defender on the way through, you're still offside?
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Yeah it's offside. Deflections are not counted only deliberate passes.
 
Kane was defo offside. But the pass touched two Liverpool players before reaching him which confused both the ref and linesman even further.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They’ve just had Dermot Gallagher on TV watching the replay and he said exactly the same as me. But if you think you understand the rules better than an ex top level ref then fine.
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They almost always back their mates decisions, whatever they may be.
 
Btw, re offside, lovren mishitting the ball matters in this case: if lovren clear the ball and it smacked into a teammate and went back into the box for Kane, then it would not have been offside
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They’ve just had Dermot Gallagher on TV watching the replay and he said exactly the same as me. But if you think you understand the rules better than an ex top level ref then fine.
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Like I said, based on the actual laws of the game, as per stated on the website of The FA, it was offside. You and Gallagher - who retired in 2007, mind you - can disagree but you're still wrong.
 
Isotope said:
:lol: you should post more, mate. Enjoying your posts in here.
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Well that's a first.:D

I don't really get involved in the intricacies that get discussed such as they are with detailed comparisons of how long Valencia spends at the sidelines in his own half or how often Rashford spins with the ball at his feet between the 60th and 75th minute or how many players whose names begin with an "N" end up in the semi circle when they receive a pass from more than 10 yards from a player who is Libran but only eats every other Tuesday. I'm mostly here for absurd jokes.
 
Kostur said:
Good spot, didn't notice the hit on the leg, thought it was merely a knee to the back kind of stuff.
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Eh yeah I guess, Lamela buys it. But we've had this problem for years not closing out games.We don't have the depth though.
 
padr81 said:
Imagine Neymar, Salah and Kane as a front 3. I'd say better than even Barca's.
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All 3 very good on their own, but maybe a bit selfish all of them?
I'm sure they would make it work somehow, if they can afford it.

Maestro14 said:
Didn't the rules get changed recently with offside, where if the offside player is influencing the game (whether or not he actually touches the ball) then its given as offside? You can clearly hear the linesman say "if he (Lovren) didn't the ball, its offside". Bit dodgy that.

Don't think either one was a pen tbh, but it meant 2 dropped points for Liverpool, so I'm certainly not gonna complain!
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Kane was in offside when Alli passed the ball, if it touched a Liverpool player on the way, doesn't matter.
So it should honestly have been offside. I always want decisions to go against pool, so i'm happy anyway :lol:
 
Lamelas offside isn't possible to see with normal eyes.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They’ve just had Dermot Gallagher on TV watching the replay and he said exactly the same as me. But if you think you understand the rules better than an ex top level ref then fine.
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Remember this goal?



Chris Foy was on TV saying that Fellaini wasn't offside because Wes Morgan made a deliberate block that sent it Fellaini's way, despite Fellaini being offside when the shot towards goal came in. Ex-referees talk as much bollocks as you and I.
 
duffer said:
They almost always back their mates decisions, whatever they may be.
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That’s not true duffer. I’ve heard them disagree with decisions many times.

Siorac said:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Like I said, based on the actual laws of the game, as per stated on the website of The FA, it was offside. You and Gallagher - who retired in 2007, mind you - can disagree but you're still wrong.
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Alright buddy. It’s quite clear that fans don’t know how to interpret the rules when you hear the pros talking about it. I tend to prefer the opinion of a professional than some arrogant bloke on the internet.
 
giorno said:
Btw, re offside, lovren mishitting the ball matters in this case: if lovren clear the ball and it smacked into a teammate and went back into the box for Kane, then it would not have been offside
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Because Kane would not have come into play at that stage so the flag stays down. But as soon as Kane makes himself active then Lovren's actions are irrelevant. It's offside. Bread and butter decision making.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They’ve just had Dermot Gallagher on TV watching the replay and he said exactly the same as me. But if you think you understand the rules better than an ex top level ref then fine.
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Gallagher consistently talks shit to back up whatever call the ref made. I've never seen him once disagree with the refs call no matter how absurd it was. It's a complete waste of time this expert referee opinion shit because they just back the refs call every time.
 
Anustart89 said:
Remember this goal?



Chris Foy was on TV saying that Fellaini wasn't offside because Wes Morgan made a deliberate block that sent it Fellaini's way, despite Fellaini being offside when the shot towards goal came in. Ex-referees talk as much bollocks as you and I.
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So he’s saying the same thing as the officials today and Gallagher?
 
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