Unfortunately this is all true. And it all comes down to the substitutions.
Premier League Gameweek 26 (3rd - 5th February 2018)
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Absolutely not. He was getting his body between the defender and the ball, forcing the defender to pull out, similarly to how a player on a one-on-one will cut inside of the chasing defender to force him to foul or withdraw. Then he would've had the ball between himself and the goal.
Bet he couldn't believe his luck that he was up against a £75m oaf that doesn't have enough sense to pull out of the tackle.
Great game even though I had thought they had won it it at the death(Salah) to my rage 
Well done Spurs delighted
Well done Spurs delighted
I've just seen the 2 penalty incidents and I've got say neither were penalties. Both clear dives from Kane and Lamela. As much as I hate Liverpool I can understand why theyre frustrated. Spurs are really a bunch of diving cheats. Kane, Alli, Lamela all dived tonight. It's a very good result for us United fans in the end definitely.
Not criticising the debate, seems odd to me though that the offside facet is harbouring much more attention than whether he dived or not.
His position and movement towards the goal could be construed as 'any gesture or movement which deceives or distracts player (B)' (emphasis mine). His offside position clearly forces the sliced clearance from Lovren..
But even if that's not enough, explain how this doesn't apply. From the next section on gaining an advantage
For your first one, Lovren was making a standard defensive clearance that defenders make late on in a game when under pressure i.e. hoof, the same applies to your Morgan example, he was making a standard attempt at a block.
Second one isn’t a grey area at all as there was no rebound full stop, it was an attempt to play the ball.
The first one is a grey area but it seems to me that PL referees seem to take a different approach to the interpretation to you and from the way in which the rules are applied currently, he was not offside.
Not a penalty. Unless any contact in the box is a foul.
If VAR was used it would have been overturned.
If VAR was used it would have been overturned.
you are the yang for all the yings here.
I'd show you my yang but it'd probably end up getting me banned permanently. I can't get away with it because I'm not Weaste.
how can anyone think this wasnt a penalty.
Oh, I just assumed there wasn't a debate because everyone agrees that Kane blatantly dived but nothing will be done about it because he's English.
Liverpool fans are trying to convince people Lamela didnt have the right to go for the loose ball there. :/
Agree with you about the offside. It has to be called offside when Lovren kicks it cuz the ball was clearly meant for Kane and he was right there standing offside.
As for the VVD kick on Lamela, I just don't see it. The angle from behind the goal line in the video giflord posted shows it well at the 1:08 mark.I don't see any contact.
Good angle, and that's pretty much where the linesman saw it from. Clear penalty.
Fair play to spurs..4 points in two big fixtures
Anyone who says that 2nd pen isn't a pen is on a wum or a Liverpool fan.
Exactly. He sees a kick that connect with the player and it's contact. Clear penalty.
This nonsense about him jumping into it etc is all conjecture. You're allowed to get in front of players to win the ball
This.
Adds to Poch's rep. He was building a rep as not being able to beat any of the top 4 but is proving them wrong
Just the outline, and fill it with smilie icons. Then post it every time Liverpool got dicked. I'm sure mods would be ok.Yup.
To be fair though, I can understand how some Liverpool fans would think paying £75m for an average defender came with some kind of extra clause, like VVD being the only one allowed to challenge for loose balls in the box, but sadly that's not the case. Lamela had every right to get in between VVD and the ball, like I said in a previous post.
Try this version .. it should make it clearer for you
There is clear contact in that version too. Are you basically arguing that there was no contact, or that it wasn't a penalty? Because you have said in this thread there wasn't contact, and are seemingly carrying on with it. There is clear contact ffs.
Try this version .. it should make it clearer for you
You're just WUMming at this point, right? Why would you pick the worst angle?
Try this version .. it should make it clearer for you
Still looks like a clear penalty to me.
The clearest penalty, even for Stevie Wonder.
We've had this before - and I still don't believe it. Kane is offside & there's no new phase of play being created, how is anything changed by an accidental / unintentional deflection?
Are they misinterpreting what you say is stated in the Law?
(not esp arguing with what you say btw, it just looks like nonsense for it getting allowed like that)
There is a contact, no doubt. Are we going to give a penalty each time 2 players have a contact? Give me a break.
If it was United, we would screaming conspiracy on this one. But it’s still good to see Liverpool cry over 2 points lossed.
Try this version .. it should make it clearer for you
Stop wumming.
Great result. Don't know about the penalties but who cares.
We had mistakes going againts us as well, part of the game. Can't cry about that.
7 points of 5th. Hopefully Chelsea draws or looses, and Spurs and Pool to drop points next week.
If we can have top 4 nearly secured by the time Champions league comes back, it would be easier to focus on trying to win it.
We had mistakes going againts us as well, part of the game. Can't cry about that.
7 points of 5th. Hopefully Chelsea draws or looses, and Spurs and Pool to drop points next week.
If we can have top 4 nearly secured by the time Champions league comes back, it would be easier to focus on trying to win it.
I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable with people knowing that it only takes 30 smilies to completely fill it.
Yeah he did. Which is why Kane was onside in the end. Silly rule because if Lovren just leaves it he’s offside.
He tried and failed to clear the ball, it was a bodged deliberate act. An unintentional act would be a deflection from a shot. I accept that his actions could be interpreted to have been affected by Kane’s proximity and as such he was interfering with play. Perhaps they need the attackers to be in the defenders eye line or something but it seems the way the officials interpret the rules deem Kane not to be offside.
Perhaps they will change it in the future as the interpretations of offside change quite a lot.
Am a united fan, so I don't really care but I genuinely don't see the kick to the calf everybody is saying. Are you taking about the knee at the end?
Coming from one of the biggest WUMs on the board
Clearly there is a debate to be had because it's not only all over this board (with opinion split even between United fans) but all over other forums and commentators. So it obviously isn't as clear cut as you lot (die-hard United fans) would like it to be.
Yours truly a die-hard Liverpool fan.
I can see a clear kick to the calf. Not the knee.