Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps

They shouldn't, not because he's a bad manager or anything, but for the same reason they shouldn't hire Sarri, that squad isn't built for creative attacking football.
It would require an overhaul that the board and fans just don't have the patience for. ( or money ) Much like with Villas-Boas.
I can't see anything other than more of the same with the ethos they've developed at the club.

They aren't in crisis perse, it feels like that but the media are bloodhounds and Conte is getting pelted by them from all angles. It's what they do, they have preconceived narratives for every club .
However what I will say is they are genuinely one poor transfer window away from it unravelling. If Hazard goes with them finishing outside the top four. Then signings like Giroud Drinkwater Bakayoko and Barkley won't suffice. Those aren't bad players but without the sheer quality of Hazard they will struggle massively.
Testing times ahead but more often than not they get it right. Interesting to see what happens though.
Simeone is a perfect fit for Chelsea. They should go for him the next season.
 
I like Antonio Conte but claiming the Chelsea board aren’t matching his ambitions are laughable.

His team have spent over 120 mil net on bringing in defenders over the last 18 months and are still conceding at will. His team finished 15 points ahead of Manchester City last season and he’s added an extra 8 first team players to his squad, whilst City have added 6. His team finished 24 points ahead of us last season, and again he’s added an extra 8 first team players to his squad compared to our 4 new players.

He chose to ostracize Costa, and replace him with “my first choice” Morata. He chose to get rid of Loftus-Cheek and replace him with Drinkwater and later Barkley (Thinking about it, Cheek would have accumulated a load of minutes in this Man United midfield, and Guardiola would have used him too.)

Chelsea have spent more than any non-Manchester based club and yet from a title-winning base (including 4 PFA team of the year players,) are arguably heading towards a 5th/6th place finish. This is on Conte.

In my opinion Chelsea should give Conte the rest of the season, sell Hazard for stupid money, sell Luiz and some other mercs for whatever they can get and build using the Tottenham blueprint.

Tbf, Conte wanted Lukaku, Sandro, Sanchez and Bonucci, and wanted to keep Matic. If he had got all 4 and the club didn't sell Matic to us, obviously Chelsea would be a lot stronger. Morata wasn't his first choice, and I am not sure he is too fond of Drinkwater, Barkley and even Giroud for that matter. His only bad buy was Bakayoko, which I believe was his own signing.

But that is not to say he is blameless. His tactics this season have left a lot to be desired. Also, very shrewd of him to keep stating he wants to stay at Chelsea and ask for backing from the club, it only means he wants to be sacked quickly with compensation as opposed to resigning -- that mentality has filtered into the squad as they realize he is a goner by end of season max, if not sooner.
 
Tbf, Conte wanted Lukaku, Sandro, Sanchez and Bonucci, and wanted to keep Matic. If he had got all 4 and the club didn't sell Matic to us, obviously Chelsea would be a lot stronger. Morata wasn't his first choice, and I am not sure he is too fond of Drinkwater, Barkley and even Giroud for that matter. His only bad buy was Bakayoko, which I believe was his own signing.

But that is not to say he is blameless. His tactics this season have left a lot to be desired. Also, very shrewd of him to keep stating he wants to stay at Chelsea and ask for backing from the club, it only means he wants to be sacked quickly with compensation as opposed to resigning -- that mentality has filtered into the squad as they realize he is a goner by end of season max, if not sooner.
I don't think it is the tactics. I think his demeanour has affected the team. Ever since his spat with mourinho and Chelsea management, chelseas results are less than desirable.

And when you need to publically ask the board to give you a vote of confidence that shows the lack of communication lines between the two.

All in all, regardless of how adept conte is taxtically, his media performance and to an extent man management gets a 0/10 from me. I think these are two of the biggest factors for their downfall this season.
 
2012 Chelsea had Bosingwa, Mikel and Meireles!

The 2012 Chelsea side still had some big players, Cech, Terry, Lampard, Mata, Drogba, even Ramirez wasn't a bad player then. Point is they had some big personalities and characters on the pitch even if they were struggling in the league. The current Chelsea are lacking character,. Just a bunch of average hardworking player with only big player on the pitch (Hazard). They have no leaders whatsoever.
 
I don't think it is the tactics. I think his demeanour has affected the team. Ever since his spat with mourinho and Chelsea management, chelseas results are less than desirable.

And when you need to publically ask the board to give you a vote of confidence that shows the lack of communication lines between the two.

All in all, regardless of how adept conte is taxtically, his media performance and to an extent man management gets a 0/10 from me. I think these are two of the biggest factors for their downfall this season.

That was just power-play from Conte, as he didn't mean it. He doesn't want to stay, but he is speaking like that to ensure that when he is sacked, he can fully blame the Chelsea board rather than him being called out on actually wanting to quit.
 
That was just power-play from Conte, as he didn't mean it. He doesn't want to stay, but he is speaking like that to ensure that when he is sacked, he can fully blame the Chelsea board rather than him being called out on actually wanting to quit.

Yeah, looks like he wants away as soon as possible but with big pay out.

His post match interview, he said if they don't like they can take their decision, don't think I have seen any coach saying that.

Maybe he will be next PSG manager if they don't win or lose early in CL.
 
Chelsea buys players without Manager permission is not new, Did Conte do his homework before he sign for them?
I understand Conte's frustration but its his own doing.
Crying about signing now is silly, you don't like it then resign from your post.
 
Tbf, Conte wanted Lukaku, Sandro, Sanchez and Bonucci, and wanted to keep Matic. If he had got all 4 and the club didn't sell Matic to us, obviously Chelsea would be a lot stronger. Morata wasn't his first choice, and I am not sure he is too fond of Drinkwater, Barkley and even Giroud for that matter. His only bad buy was Bakayoko, which I believe was his own signing.

Not many Managers get everything they want, take Pep and Sanchez. The same media that lead us to believe that Conte wanted Lukaku, Sandro, Sanchez and Bonucci also stated that Mourinho wanted Dier ahead of Matic and Griezmann instead of Lukaku. So if Conte didn't get his preferences, neither did Mou. Also, fortunately for us when we didn't get our target/s (Perisic for example) we didn't panic buy second and third rate players, but rather trust what we had. Our Manager has just played his hand better.

I think if Chelsea hadn't sold Matic, nor loaned out Loftus-Cheek and Conte had found a way to work with Costa, they'd be in a much better position now.
 
Chelsea have to hope their youth policy finally pays of now, after 10-15 years of investment in young players it needs to produce. With Roman tightening the purse strings and the transfer market becoming silly, the only way Chelsea can compete is to develop these players into stars. They could have done that with De Bruyne, Lukaku and had decent/good back-up players in Romeu, Ake, Chabaloah. I'm probably missing a few that could get into their team.

Christensen has been a big plus point for them this season, Hazard, Courtois and Kante are top class but apart from that their team is weak. It's too early to say how Morata will fare long-term but the jury is out. They need to bring through players who can have a similar impact as Christensen saving them thousands in the transfer market while keeping them competitive. Musounda, Mount, Loftus-Cheek, Boga, Hudson-Odoi, Abraham etc.
I don't understand why people think Kante is top class/world class. He is average technically, is basically a workhorse who is very good defensively. He needs a defensive minded player next to him as he often goes ball chasing and is caught out of position, which again limits a teams options.He gives away so many fouls even though he gets away with many. His biggest strength is his defensive capability yet chelsea have conceded loads this season.

Pogba gets criticised every time he puts in a bad performance.But Pogba is asked to create, score and defend at the same time.This guy has one job, defend and even that he is struggling to but somehow he's called the best in the world

I'm not saying he's a bad player, he's good to very good, but top class to world class? No.
Lampard even called him the best midfielder in the World last year.

Azpilicueta on the other hand is a Top player, maybe even the best defender in the PL.
 
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The 2012 Chelsea side still had some big players, Cech, Terry, Lampard, Mata, Drogba, even Ramirez wasn't a bad player then. Point is they had some big personalities and characters on the pitch even if they were struggling in the league. The current Chelsea are lacking character,. Just a bunch of average hardworking player with only big player on the pitch (Hazard). They have no leaders whatsoever.
Compared to that team they don't have as many leaders, no, but they are the current champions of England. Hazard is obviously the biggest, but I think Courtois, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Kanté, etc are big game players. I'll be surprised if they get battered. I don't think they'll win but they'll give a decent account of themselves.
 
Zappacosta/Rudiger/Drinkwater/Bakayoko, not one of them is a technically accomplished footballer.

Rudiger is superb, our defense looks much safer with him on the pitch. He also has a really impressive range of passing.
 
What makes this loss even worse is Watford had the worst home record and they missed few players because of injuries.

Btw when is Morata back?
 
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He was supported, he was given a sizeable transfer fun, he was given time and no pressure even though he's on 3rd at the moment. What more do you expect Roman to do?
The,point is Conte seems to claim that majority of the said fund was not used by him but the board for their own signings. Big difference. There is pressure, or he wouldn't act so passive aggressive recently criticizing Chelsea transfer. Conte claimed it was his work to get the team to be up here, not long ago on even point with us; and again the board let him down with transfer dealings. The transfer does indeed look underwhelming.
 
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Chelsea buys players without Manager permission is not new, Did Conte do his homework before he sign for them?
I understand Conte's frustration but its his own doing.
Crying about signing now is silly, you don't like it then resign from your post.

That's what he's trying to do. No manager resigns from their post as they won't get a pay out for willingly doing so. If they get sacked, the rest of the contract that he signed gets paid out on the spot. Why would you walk away from that.

He doesn't look like he's enjoying it, he's clearly given a few names out and they went and got poundland versions of those types of players so rightly feels like he's been let down.
 
The,point is Conte seems to claim that majority of the said fund was not used by him but the board for their own signings. Big difference. There is pressure, or he wouldn't act so passive aggressive recently criticizing Chelsea transfer. Conte claimed it was his work to get the team to be up here, not long ago on even point with us; and again the board let him down with transfer dealings. The transfer does indeed look underwhelming.

I don't understand, does chelsea have a transfer comittee? or was it Conte's decision. If its his pick of player then I don't think he can argue much.
 
I don't understand, does chelsea have a transfer comittee? or was it Conte's decision. If its his pick of player then I don't think he can argue much.
They have the committee who is rumored before under Mourinho and Conte confirmed overruled head coaches's pick. This board has the power to sign their own signings.

Conte claimed is that his work (coaching) is what hot team where they are (still in top 4) despite not being given the players he requested. Whenever he said about doing his job I believe he specifically talking about coaching.
 
Anytime last night the camera was on him he looked very sullen and downcast, not his usual self at all, apart from near the end when the Watford fans were chanting "you're getting sacked in the morning" when he cracked a smile.
 
A big feck you to Abramovic he should sell Hazard to Juventus for 10m before he goes :lol:.

Out of the league and 100% won't sell to Jose.
 
Is that two Premier League winning managers gone in two seasons or have I missed one?
 
Can someone list the results of Chelsea since the time he took JM's bait.. Would be interesting.

Here you go, the first comment to which he responded was the clown one. it was the 4th of january, since then.

Their form: 2 wins, 3 Draws and 3 losses and they won one game on penalties.

Norwich City 0 0 Chelsea
Chelsea 0 0 Arsenal
Chelsea 0 0 Leicester City
Chelsea 1 1 Norwich City AET Chelsea win 5-3 on penalties.
Brighton and Hove Albion 0 4 Chelsea
Arsenal 2 1 Chelsea
Chelsea 3 0 Newcastle United
Chelsea 0 3 Bournemouth
Watford 4 1 Chelsea
 
Is that two Premier League winning managers gone in two seasons or have I missed one?

Mourinho won 14-15 and was sacked in 15-16
Rainieri won 15-16 and was sacked in 16-17
Now Conte would probably be sacked end of this season.
 
In fairness, he is in the top 4, one point ahead of 5th. Mourinho was one point ahead of the relegation zone.
Well, Mourinho had lost the dressing room with almost all of his star players downing tools.
If things don't improve soon, It won't take long for these lot to start doing the same and if they do, Chelsea could easily have a 'Mourinho Season'. But i don't think Conte would be around to see that
 
I thought that was out of order as well. Conte was trying ever so hard to be calm, which is funny by itself.

Why is the media ganging up on him?

Like a bunch of piranhas (or vultures) that smelt blood

They are like seagulls following a trawler.
 
Is that two Premier League winning managers gone in two seasons or have I missed one?
BBC news this morning said the last 5 WINNING prem managers have all been sacked the next season, I was pretty astounded by that stat.

I assume Mourinho/Ranieri/Mancini can't think of the others off the top of my head.
 
BBC news this morning said the last 5 WINNING prem managers have all been sacked the next season, I was pretty astounded by that stat.

I assume Mourinho/Ranieri/Mancini can't think of the others off the top of my head.

Pellegrini?