The Active Shooter Thread

[RDCR07]

List of Rep senators who get the most money from the NRA:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

 

[Silva]

From what I've read there's more to it than just the Youtube video comment. Teachers were warned not to let him on campus with a backpack, he was expelled for violent conduct, threatened students, abused his ex-girlfriend, found bullets in his backpack and students are coming out saying they aren't at all surprised it was him. Couple all of that with the comment saying he wanted to be a school shooter and I think you have enough for law enforcement to get involved or at least speak to the parents.

his parents are dead

edit: http://time.com/5159134/who-is-the-florida-shooter-parkland-nicolas-cruz/

 

[Mike Schatner]

When did you last scroll down through some youtube comments? The internet is a fecking cesspit full of kids trying to say the most shocking/outrageous thing possible. Taking everyone who says something violent/offensive online into custody is a complete non-starter.

Yet if someone posted similar comments about the POTUS they would get a knock on the door within 48 hours.

 

[SteveJ]

April, 2017:

President Donald Trump reaffirmed his support for gun rights Friday, telling attendees of a National Rifle Association convention that "the eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end."

Trump, the first sitting president to address the group's annual convention in more than 30 years, assured the audience that he would defend their right to bear arms in a campaign-like speech reminiscent of his election rallies.

"You have a true friend and champion in the White House," he said.

 

[kps88]

But whose job is it to join all those dots? Even if teachers/fellow pupils take it upon themselves to report all the loners and weirdos to the cops, do you really think the police are willing or able to arrest every teenager who owns a gun, gets into fights and says scary/offensive shit online?

Anyway, take away the "owns a gun" bit of that last sentence and you immediately reduce the threat, without any need to increase police resources, or infringe civil liberties.

I'm not saying there's enough to send him to prison for, but it wouldn't be infringing on his civil liberties in any way for the police to look into him if you take into account all the factors I mentioned. And the school should have reported him. They knew all those things I listed; he's a lot more than a loner or weirdo.

 

[Silva]

I'm not saying there's enough to send him to prison for, but it wouldn't be infringing on his civil liberties in any way for the police to look into him if you take into account all the factors I mentioned. And the school should have reported him. They knew all those things I listed; he's a lot more than a loner or weirdo.

the school probably did report him, if they had enough reason to tell staff members not to let him into the school with a backpack they would have also had a legal requirement to tell local authorities

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm not saying there's enough to send him to prison for, but it wouldn't be infringing on his civil liberties in any way for the police to look into him if you take into account all the factors I mentioned.

I just don't think that the police have the legislation in place (never mind the resources) to "look into" (whatever that means) every teenager who owns a gun, has a poor disciplinary record at school and posts nasty comments online.

The whole "preemptive policing" thing just strikes me as a complete red herring, intended to distract from far more sensible/practical measures which really could have stopped this happening. Don't allow teenagers to legally own a fecking AR-15 rifle.

 

[kps88]

the school probably did report him, if they had enough reason to tell staff members not to let him into the school with a backpack they would have also had a legal requirement to tell local authorities

Na police have claimed that they were never informed of anything.

 

[Silva]

every teenager who owns a gun, has a poor disciplinary record at school and posts nasty comments online.

this is not a large group of people

 

[Muffled funk]

i think if you make violent threats regarding shooting people you should be arrested for questioning, evaluated for mental illness and all your weapons should be immediately confiscated.

or be made president
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters”

 

[Jig1234]

'mentally disturbed'



Don't know about you guys but maybe this, wasn't the smartest move.



Trump's lack of self awareness is just incredible.

 

[Mike Schatner]

or be made president
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters”

Not technically a threat. Could is not want to.

 

[Silva]

Trump's lack of self awareness is just incredible.

it's not just trump, it's most of the republican party and some of the democratic party too

 

[Pogue Mahone]

this is not a large group of people

It sure as shit is in America.

 

[kps88]

I just don't think that the police have the legislation in place (never mind the resources) to "look into" (whatever that means) every teenager who owns a gun, has a poor disciplinary record at school and posts nasty comments online.

If the school gave the police the list of things he had done and reported him as a potential threat to campus (which they clearly thought he was), I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have ignored it citing lack of resources. Not saying it would have definitely worked in this particular case. Also not saying it is the best way to stop something like this from happening again. But it's something more achievable than proper gun control and it's worth stressing on if it could help in even 1 out of 10 cases.

 

[Irrational.]

real talk

The replies to this Tweet are mind boggling. Its incredible the lengths people will go to in order to defend guns. Zero sympathy for the victim in the process.

 

[Jig1234]

it's not just trump, it's most of the republican party and some of the democratic party too

True. Many factors involved. It's all a bit depressing.

 

[golden_blunder]

Has anyone blamed COD games yet?

 

[Jig1234]

It doesn't matter how many years go by. Jim Jefferies guns take down is still relevant and accurate.

 

[Muffled funk]

Not technically a threat. Could is not want to.

feck off, "I could" is insinuating. If this kid posted I could go into school and shoot up the place, this wouldn't be worth checking out as he said could not want.

 

[shabadu84]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/gun...as-they-usually-do-after-a-mass-shooting.html

The real victims of this are the gun companies whose stocks don't climb as much as they did after something like this under a Democratic president

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If the school gave the police the list of things he had done and reported him as a potential threat to campus (which they clearly thought he was), I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have ignored it citing lack of resources. Not saying it would have definitely worked in this particular case. Also not saying it is the best way to stop something like this from happening again. But it's something more achievable than proper gun control and it's worth stressing on if it could help in even 1 out of 10 cases.

Ok, well I agree with you. Sort of. More joined up policing is a good thing. And if someone in a position of authority thinks that somebody in their care presents a risk to anyone else then they definitely should be able to tell the police. Be they a teacher, psychiatrist, whatever. I'm fairly sure that happens already, though. It's a very ineffective way to stop this sort of thing happening, mind you. Even after detailed assessments of clients they've know for years, psychiatrists readily admit that they're fairly crap at predicting how dangerous someone really is. And you certainly can't lock up kids like this, just in case.

 

[Cee90]

I've always felt that the US is too far gone.

Time and time again I feel like my thoughts are justified.

Human lives are not worth much. Not when compared with capitalism, power and tradition anyway.

 

[Rado_N]

The amount of people on Twitter saying "gun laws don't work, look at Chicago" is staggering.

How can people be so dumb?

 

[Raoul]

The amount of people on Twitter saying "gun laws don't work, look at Chicago" is staggering.

How can people be so dumb?

Trouble is, they likely wouldn't work in small incremental steps that politicians often call for after shootings. They would however definitely work if let's say the US reduced the amount of firearms swimming around the country from the current 300m to about 3m and in the process banned all things semi-automatic.

 

[Silva]

The amount of people on Twitter saying "gun laws don't work, look at Chicago" is staggering.

How can people be so dumb?

please tell me you're exaggerating

 

[Redplane]

The amount of people on Twitter saying "gun laws don't work, look at Chicago" is staggering.

How can people be so dumb?

Someone should ask them where they think most of those guns came from. Im guessing the source of what is probably often an illegal gun purchase is often preceded by a legal gun purchase.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Is it true that you don't need permits or license to buy a gun in Florida or is CNN exaggerating things?

 

[Mike Schatner]

Is it true that you don't need permits or license to buy a gun in Florida or is CNN exaggerating things?

That is true. You can buy a gun without permits but you have to wait a few days while the FBI background check is done. If you have a CWP you can buy a gun and take it home right away, they just verify your CWP is still active on the FBI DB.

 

[SilentWitness]

I don’t like that they talk about mental health as if it is something that means you definitely will get a gun and kill someone when these people are in the minority in the mentally ill category aswell as a minority in human beings who would commit such an atrocious act.

 

[Spark]

Trouble is, they likely wouldn't work in small incremental steps that politicians often call for after shootings. They would however definitely work if let's say the US reduced the amount of firearms swimming around the country from the current 300m to about 3m and in the process banned all things semi-automatic.

America is so far gone - no other country that’s successfully banned or restricted firearms has ever had to contend with the sheer fanaticism towards guns that exists there (and imo is a lot worse today than say 50 years ago, when restrictions could probably have been implemented without much obstruction).

A simple gun amnesty would barely scratch the surface. You’d need to forcibly take people’s firearms, which ironically is what loads of people have guns for in the first place - to stop the big evil government from forcibly taking firearms and implementing a dictatorship, rendering the civilians defenceless.

Whole country is fecked from top to bottom.

 

[Florida Man]

Is it true that you don't need permits or license to buy a gun in Florida or is CNN exaggerating things?

Just a background check, I believe. You can buy guns in fecking Wal Mart here.

 

[Raoul]

America is so far gone - no other country that’s successfully banned or restricted firearms has ever had to contend with the sheer fanaticism towards guns that exists (and imo is a lot worse today than say 50 years ago, when restrictions could probably have been implemented without much obstruction.

A simple gun amnesty would barely scratch the surface. You’d need to forcibly take people’s firearms, which ironically is what loads of people have guns for in the first place - to stop the big evil government from forcibly taking firearms and implementing a dictatorship, rendering the civilians defenceless.

Whole country is fecked from top to bottom.

This is why one off incremental laws probably wouldn't make a difference. It would require a fundamental shift away from the 2nd amendment involving a ban on all things semi-automatic and and strict licensing process for handguns and hunting rifles.

 

[Rado_N]

Trouble is, they likely wouldn't work in small incremental steps that politicians often call for after shootings. They would however definitely work if let's say the US reduced the amount of firearms swimming around the country from the current 300m to about 3m and in the process banned all things semi-automatic.

Incrementalism definitely won't work.

please tell me you're exaggerating

I wish I was.

Someone should ask them where they think most of those guns came from. Im guessing the source of what is probably often an illegal gun purchase is often preceded by a legal gun purchase.

It's like they think there's a border crossing point with security checks around every city. fecking idiots.

 

[Silva]

which ironically is what loads of people have guns for in the first place - to stop the big evil government from forcibly taking firearms and implementing a dictatorship, rendering the civilians defenceless.

I think this is wildly exaggerated, you'll get a lot of cowboy types who want to go out all guns blazing but the vast majority will reluctantly give them up.

 

[Mike Schatner]

I think this is wildly exaggerated, you'll get a lot of cowboy types who want to go out all guns blazing but the vast majority will reluctantly give them up.

Spoiler

 

[Damien]

Trump just Tweeted about this basically contradicting himself from a few days ago when he Tweeted about false accusations. It almost reads like he is blaming the kids/teachers too AND He's threaded the Tweet to a previous one about..... DACA.

Anyone else want to say the cnut isn't racist?

Definitely an element of victim blaming saying neighbours and classmates knew he was a problem but didn't report it to authorities so this happened as a result.

In the US mental health only really seems to be openly talked about when an atrocity like this occurs saying he was mentally disturbed so got a gun and shot the school up. I don't think it does much good for getting people who do have mental illnesses to open up about their problems as they'd fear they'd get locked up and put in the same blanket category as people like Cruz rather than get the help they need.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

The amount of people on Twitter saying "gun laws don't work, look at Chicago" is staggering.

Why? It certainly is not a straight equation, but there is some grain of truth in there.

Personally for me, unless you get rid of 2nd Amendment, this problem will always be there.

 

[Damien]

I don’t like that they talk about mental health as if it is something that means you definitely will get a gun and kill someone when these people are in the minority in the mentally ill category aswell as a minority in human beings who would commit such an atrocious act.

Just saw this now. That was exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Mike Schatner]

Definitely an element of victim blaming saying neighbours and classmates knew he was a problem but didn't report it to authorities so this happened as a result.

In the US mental health only really seems to be openly talked about when an atrocity like this occurs saying he was mentally disturbed so got a gun and shot the school up. I don't think it does much good for getting people who do have mental illnesses to open up about their problems as they'd fear they'd get locked up and put in the same blanket category as people like Cruz rather than get the help they need.

Here is an irony.........a lot of gun owners will not seek help for mental illness and depression because they are scared someone will take there guns away.