Yep. Gun culture is so ingrained in the US.
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Feck's sake. That's so crazy.
Its also cause they dont want to first admit they have a problem. Thats the problem with people who are mentally ill.
As long as Republicans and Trump take money from NRA .We'll be back here again
What Mass Killers Really Have in Common:
https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/mass-killers-terrorism-domestic-violence.html
Yes, and the fact that FPS video games result in mass shootings in the US every week but not anywhere close to that often anywhere else in the civilized world is too soon to talk about.
"Now, before I sell you this easily transportable weapon of mass murder, I need to make absolutely sure you don't ever intend on going to Chicago. Do you proooomise?"
Ha indeed. Funny and sad at the same time. The earlier argument too about there not being borders around towns that have stricter gun laws is too easily overlooked. I mean, Canada is literally only a few hours from Chicago, hell it's a mere few minutes from Detroit but there is an actual border into an area that has actual strict gun control. Guess what, it works in that case.
There's not. They don't work IN CHICAGO, yes. But why don't they? Because you can just commute 20 minutes out of the city center and none of those laws apply. Hell, there are so many guns circulating in the US, so many of them illegal or undocumented, that we might actually be past the point of no return, but that shouldn't stop anyone from trying. At large, conservative Americans (and a fair share of liberals) are too dumb for this train of thought though. Most revealing has been that NRA guy John Oliver interviewed years ago, arguing that you shouldn't introduce any regulation on guns because "look at drugs, people still take them". Remember, hellbent republican and NRA member. When Oliver took on this point, asking him if that meant that he was against any regulation of all drugs, he was absolutely lost for words. They just like their stupid culture too much to be touched by a few thousand dead people. Reason is lost on them.
A big reason for that is the stigma that still surrounds the words 'mental illness' and the demonisation that groups people who have depression with people who have way more serious issues.
Even over here, the DWP and Atos take a hard stance towards those with mental issues and people who go for PIP or ESA assessments are often rejected and they have to go to court when the appeals process fails... only that going to court puts even more stress upon those with mental illness so there's months, maybe even a year or so of misery before it gets that far - in which time quite a few people get sanctioned, withheld from money/support and end up killing themselves.
The last paragraph took a bit of a tangent but that is another reason why some are afraid to speak out as they can end up having to live on scraps, going through a rigorous and mentally taxing process just to get support.
People with mental illnesses don't want to suffer alone through them but many feel they have no choice and now the prevalence of the word 'snowflakes' doesn't help matters.
No there isn't .
That is ridiculous.
What? I was asking a question. Not making a statement.
Yes you did. You said there is truth to it.
I know there are a lot of American posters on here. I am sorry for the people in Florida. I have been there but I don't understand America, and neither, it seems, do most of the non-Americans on here. Europe, Australia, most of the places I have been to in the world have different values to the 'right to bear arms' thing, which apparently comes from historic sources in the violent birth of that nation. A friend who researched the Shannon Hydroelectric Scheme in Ireland in the 1920's showed how Ireland was literally bristling with arms after the war of independence from Britain and the subsequent Irish Civil war (Gangs of thugs, newly demobbed, help to break strikes among the Shannon workers). But gradually as constitutional politics took hold, Ireland - very consciously - instituted an unarmed police force and, as my grannie used to say, 'the guns were put in the thatch'. Secreted away in the attic to rust or at least until the next time of crisis.
Stricter gun laws does not automatically mean lesser crime. That's the truth I was referring to.
Not disagreeing with you, but let's break this down. If stricter laws doesn't work in Chicago, why do you think it'll work anywhere else? If your problem is illegal and undocumented guns, then surely you need to call for better enforcement and not more laws?
Based on memory and I believe that it was from the FBI, the problem that Illinois exposed is the legal purchase of firearms that are then illegally sold. If you have stricter laws, you potentially reduce significantly the amount of firearms that can be illegally sold.
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I think most of us understand the culture, we all just think it's absolutely batshit mental.
Makes sense.
I think a federal law change covering all states should be the way forward. Else you can buy legally in a state with lax rules and transport/sell it across state lines.
You got proof to back up your statement?
I think the first issue that needs fixing is the mass shootings epidemic. The wider gun debate can come later.
Mass shootings are getting more frequent and more deadly. AR15s and other assault weapons are the gun of choice for most mass shooters. Those weapons where banned from 1994-2004, and they were very expensive up until around 2010. Today they are extremely cheap, and because there are lot in circulation ammo is also very cheap. Not to mention all the accessories like large capacity mags, bump stock etc are all very cheap these days. Reintroducing the assault weapon ban and making it permanent is the best way to start improving things.
We all know what Republicans will say, but are any Dems coming out saying something must be done or don't they give a shit either?
Gun laws in Illinois don't work because you can drive into Illinois from Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky etc etc.
It needs to be on a federal level.
The democrats had both houses and the presidency from 2008-2010. Remember their big effort to restrict guns? I don't either.
a number of democrats were on CNN last night saying what amounted to "the GOP is responsible for these deaths, gun control now"
Agree. If you had some control over this, what would you propose?
A straight up ban, across the board.
Draw a line, it'll take a long time but future generations will thank you.
'Republic of Florida' apparently.
That would be a great name for an orange jus company.
America cares more about its guns than its children.
It's becoming difficult to sympathise.
I'm ashamed to say that.
I shed a tear watching a documentary on Dunblane, recently. I'm afraid my thoughts no longer go to the victims of U.S. mass-shootings.
I just go to disbelief and anger towards the country and it's citizens who enable it.
Not a proud realisation.
It's becoming difficult to sympathise.
I'm ashamed to say that.
I shed a tear watching a documentary on Dunblane, recently. I'm afraid my thoughts no longer go to the victims of U.S. mass-shootings.
I just go to disbelief and anger towards the country and it's citizens who enable it.
Not a proud realisation.
The only way this will ever change is to sort out all the ways the politics system is corrupt
Then get obliterate the republican party for at least a 5 year period
Then get obliterate the republican party for at least a 5 year period
I agree with you. You have to wonder why some people think it's a reasonable thing for a teenage lad to be able to buy a rifle of this type. His opportunity to do that in the UK would be absolutely zero.
Build that wall .Keep the terrorists in.
Dumb GOP Senator on CNN talking about security perimeters around school, and security measures. No mention of any gun legislation though.
Sen Mike Rounds South Dakota. What a bellend. obviously taking money form the gun lobby.
Sen Mike Rounds South Dakota. What a bellend. obviously taking money form the gun lobby.
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