Yep, I agree. Lewy on a free, Thiago on the cheap, it really was a very convenient club for him to manage. I'm not sure on the player turnover in his time there, but Bayern are always shrewd in the market and have been for a very long time, so it would make sense if the turnover was indeed high.
Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)
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I haven't fact checked these stats, but if true, this is absolutely bonkers -
Pep Guardiola is now only £100m away from outspending Sir Alex Ferguson.
Sir Alex Ferguson spent 26 years at Manchester United.
Pep Guardiola's been at Manchester City for 18 months.
Pep Guardiola is now only £100m away from outspending Sir Alex Ferguson.
Sir Alex Ferguson spent 26 years at Manchester United.
Pep Guardiola's been at Manchester City for 18 months.
Adjusted for inflation? Adjusted for player value increase/inflation? This has absolutely no value unless some consideration is put into it, like you say, it’s 30 years since Fergie started his stint.
Ya that sounds about right but the market has exploded since. SAF's most expensive signs were Berbatov and Rio? Probably the equivalent to £80m players now a days. Of course with PSG and City taking the piss in recent seasons, that £80 is probably £100m plus £50m bonuses.
Veron at 30m in 2001 was pretty epic. I'm still amazed Fergie got the plc to cough it up.
Pretty much, and im in no way defending Pep cause his spend has been ludicrous, but how much do you think a young Wayne Rooney would of been now, or Ferdinand, hell, Andy Cole or Cantona? If we were buying the type of players we were buying then, now, we' od a spent a hell of a lot more than we did cause of the massive price increase and inflation
Rio is a hell of a lot more than that in todays money. Berbatov probably considerably more too.
Utd were happily outspending everyone for years before Chelsea came along and changed things. When Veron and Van Nistelrooy came in for, what £47m combined, when no one else in the league was spending, or even had the capacity to spend, anywhere near that kind of money, I don't recall Utd fans coming forward to complain about how this gave them an unfair advantage.
I support a low-level Scottish football team and have sympathy for Utd but this as an excuse is completely ridiculous, petty, embarrassing, and needs to stop.
If Pep only ends up winning the league, that will surely be yet another underwhelming season for him, based on the team he has at his disposal. Roberto Mancini won the league with City, Manuel Pellegrini won the league with City. It's to be expected every now and again with the money they churn out. Pep is supposed to be special though, even though he hasn't done anything remotely special since his spell at Barca.
"only ends up winning the league" is a phrase that should never be uttered.
Exactly this. We were outspending everyone in the league and would be absolutely happy to continue doing so. Times have changed, football has changed and we need to get on with reality. We are a wealthy club and should be competing realistically for major trophies. Now its all about CL, we threw the league towel back in November.
It was expected that he wins the league eventually. I'd wager that most competent managers would win the league with this City side. Hell, most managers worth their salt would have won it with the side he had last season. Do you not think he needs to achieve a bit more based on his reputation for being a managerial God?
That is a strawman who is calling him a God?
On the subject of strawmen, @Shark never said anyone called him a God, merely that he had a reputation for being one. You've strawmaned his strawman.
Anyway his point wasn't difficult to understand when you look at the 'Which lube would you buy for Pep if he showed an interest?' thread HERE to see how lionised he is by some. He certainly enjoys an admiration among opposition fans that other successful managers haven't.
Mancini & Pellegrini both have won the league with a high spending City side, it's ultimately expected. Same goes for Mourinho with this United side if we keep spending at this rate.
The challenge for both is to be the dominante force for 5 years.
Jose can’t be far off of that either since I think it’s only this summer that Pep surpassed him in money spent.
They are in the League Cup final and are up 4-0 in the first KO stage of the CL. So they still have a chance for more trophies. Plus they are going to break a ton of league records.
Jose was about 100m behind him I think after last Summer, the signing of Laporte has bumped that up somewhat again.
Actually @Andersons Dietician, I just checked and according to transfermarkt, Pep at City has outspent Mourinho at United with a massive 180 million Euros.
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They have a League Cup final and are bookie favorites to win the CL. Not that favorites matter but there is obviously a huge chance of them winning it.
However I do agree a league title is underwhelming considering Pep's spending and all the fecking media hype about City this season. The new ''invincibles'' half way through a season and the ''quadruple'' talk before they even had a foot in a cup final was vexing.
Of course I'd take a league title every season if it meant never winning another trophy.
No team can expect to win the CL, if he wins the league with (near-)record points and establishes City on the Real/Barca level it will have been a very good second season.
it's because of oil clubs like City, PSG and Chelsea that prices for players have sky rocketed. You can't then say don't compare with fergie with pep because the market was different when the whole reason for this inflation is due to these oil clubs.
Why are people saying SAF spent as much when you take into consideration inflation etc?
I don't recall us buying 6 first team players in any window.
I don't recall us buying 6 first team players in any window.
I think it's funny how you guys always find reasons to descredit this man, even though it is undisputable that he is the best manager in the world for years now. This season he has proven that.
And i say that even though i was not happy with him at Bayern because it was the wrong timing for him to come.
And i say that even though i was not happy with him at Bayern because it was the wrong timing for him to come.
I think that's quite disputable.
It's very disputable. He was shit in his first year, has spent over half a billion euros and outspent his closet rival by close to 200m euros.
He's a top manager for sure, but undisputed best in the World is bollocks. The competition in Spain became too much for him and England is even more competitive, so the question is, can he lead City to a period of pure dominance. If he can, then it really won't matter the money spent, he will absolutely be the undisputed best manager in the game.
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This.
Pep has a brilliant managerial career but will always be judged to date managing the cream of the crop to date. That’s no slight on Pep you obviously take the best on offer club wise we all would if being a manager.
This year he’s been brilliant with City totally transformed them and deserves huge credit. Yes we would all be glad of collecting leagues and having real goes at cups semis or finals like Pep is doing with City across the road. The figures he’s spent will no doubt take some shine of his work as spending a world record on nearly every position has never been done.
But there are others like LVG who came into United spent huge amounts and left us worse off. So it’s not as if it’s as easy as it looks.
Pep has been brilliant but then for me so has Jose and he started at a lower base with less dough than City so catch up is a normal state of affairs. Has Pep done better than Jose? Without doubt as he’s winning trophies and that’s what it is about so it will be viewed this way right now or x amount of years down the line but Jose will come good and is doing a great job but right now Pep deserves all the plaudits going imo.
This year he’s been brilliant with City totally transformed them and deserves huge credit. Yes we would all be glad of collecting leagues and having real goes at cups semis or finals like Pep is doing with City across the road. The figures he’s spent will no doubt take some shine of his work as spending a world record on nearly every position has never been done.
But there are others like LVG who came into United spent huge amounts and left us worse off. So it’s not as if it’s as easy as it looks.
Pep has been brilliant but then for me so has Jose and he started at a lower base with less dough than City so catch up is a normal state of affairs. Has Pep done better than Jose? Without doubt as he’s winning trophies and that’s what it is about so it will be viewed this way right now or x amount of years down the line but Jose will come good and is doing a great job but right now Pep deserves all the plaudits going imo.
His spending is insane but he still has built a team greater than the sum of its parts.
I'm not confident we'd be as good if we spent the same amount of money.
I'm not confident we'd be as good if we spent the same amount of money.
All managers are judged and rightfully so, by the trophies their teams won. I believe Mou will not beat Pep in a long run of a season, so I am very skeptical about our chances in the prem. I can see City winning 2 in a row, before Pep leaves elsewhere. For the first time in my life I am actually rooting for anyone bar City and Liverpool to win the Champions League. I do not like Real Madrid, Barca or PSG, but I'd rather one of these wins the CL than City or Liverpool.
It was the wrong timing? really? He took over Bayern when they were the best in Europe! "undisputable" is such a strong word when everyone and their mothers are still questioning his managerial ability (Whether He'd do well without the best players at his disposal, with limited spending, etc).
Leeds up until their meltdown had around a £88 million net spend too.
Yeah, completely forgot about them.
From 1992-2003 (before Chelsea take over)
Hilarious how people spout nonsense just to defend their almighty Pep.
All this does is highlight that SAF was not human.
Exactly!!!
I actually don't hate/like Pep. But the Pep worship on this forum is making me dislike him.
Why don't these Pep disciples just support MCFC. Logically, this would make more sense.
I guess you missed all the posts on here calling Pep a cokehead who is doping his players?
You can't buy class no matter what you spend.
Pep lovers should be stoned in the middle of OT and be made an example for the rest secret wet bedding Utd fans. Being a Pep lover and a Utd fan is like being a christian but secretly adoring Satan, or the other way around. Its a sin I say, its a sin.
Never understood the love in for Cashiola.
Jo$ep Spendiola has been drooled over since forever. Albeit a good manager, he's never been allowed to fail. Artificial success and great timing have always blurred the eyes of this concubines. Prostrated upon the angareb, close to the soles of his feet, the devout shall forevermore transcend at the sight of the glaring corona capitis.
Sorry, been reading Wilbur Smith lately
Sorry, been reading Wilbur Smith lately
Yet Ferguson’s most successful period came 2006-2013 arguably came (factoring in Champions League performances too) while being annually outspent by the likes of Chelsea and then City.
Look at the number of academy graduates who featured in that time, even in Champions League finals- Sir Alex created a dynasty with identity, youth and intelligently acquired talent. Even the few big investments like Ferdinand and Rooney served the club for 12 years each - City are stockpiling £50m defenders, and that’s circa the amount on average of each of Pep’s starting eleven. It renders any success they achieve (buy) incomparable to anything Ferguson achieved with the likes of Evans, Welbeck and Cleverley featuring heavily in his final few seasons among declining veterans like Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand etc...
Chelsea stole a number of Ferguson’s targets in 2004; Robben, Cech and Mikel, while the likes of Joe Cole, Scott Parker and Damien Duff were also on the radar before Abramovich’s investment absorbed them. To imply that Ferguson monopolised the English market ala Bayern is ultimately flawed.
Ronaldo, Vidic and Evra were acquired for relative pennies, yet Ferguson developed them into among the best in the world in their positions - nothing like this ‘Pep makes £50m signing play well’ hyperbolic love-in we’re seeing now....and that’s without factoring in the dubious stamina increases.
Pep is an ideal match for both Sheikh Mansoor and City - all were ‘born’ into infinite resources and therefore have never had to work to attain anything meritocratically. Their ‘achievements’ are hollow and aren’t respected by anybody with the intellectual capacity to understand that they’ve never accomplished anything organically.