The Active Shooter Thread

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sglowrider said:
Its a stressed out enough a job, I can see some of these weapons talented teachers freak out and go postal.
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Let's say it happens and a bunch of "weapons talented teachers" get trained up and issued weapons. How long will it be before the next shooter is Mr Head of Geography and resident gun nut himself?

Saying that I had some teachers back in the day who I reckon could stop a shooter with a board duster to the head from distance anyday. Snipers.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Just an observation.

But the arguments about whether you can take on a kid with an ar-15 with a hand gun, and what weapons your school's armed security has, is precisely why nothing changes.

The argument should always be about removing the need for armed guards at schools by eliminating the potential threat of armed shooters.

Anything else is doing the NRAs work for them.
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Exactly. There is an undeniable and direct correlation between prevalence of guns and gun deaths. Every arguement or debate looking to increase availability of guns or to increase access to more powerful guns is tantamount to complicity in the ongoing child genocide as a result of gun crime....because that's what this is.

We know the cause...we know the answer. America's belief in an individuals freedom over a society's safety does not absolve them of this collective guilt.
 
Imagine a stressed teacher having to deal with a troublesome kid, disturbing class.
A lot of teachers will pull out guns.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I can't see how teachers unions would accept this. I would expect to see mass walkouts and drops in people training to become teachers if this was implemented.

Also, surely any school that did this would have to report to parents in some way which teachers were armed. Would that not make it easier for potential shooters to target them in order to remove the issue of return fire?

Also, teachers desks are usually pretty close to the room doors. Even if the gun is in a holster, I would expect it to be clipped. What are the chances of a teacher, upon hearing a door being kicked open and someone walking in with a semi automatic, being able and composed enough to unclip, un-holster, aim and fire successfully before the shooter has already started opening fire (most likely at the teacher first).
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Also, and I've said this before, so many parents would start to demand that their child is taught by an armed teacher.
 
Rob said:
Also, and I've said this before, so many parents would start to demand that their child is taught by an armed teacher.
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The thought of my child being taught by an armed teacher would be enough for me to move to another country tbh. Absolute fecking madness.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine a stressed teacher having to deal with a troublesome kid, disturbing class.
A lot of teachers will pull out guns.
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I remember one shift I did at a children's home I used to work in - kids going absolutely mental and barricaded themselves in living room and trashed the place - cops called and stand off ensued. At one point a 14 year old kid decides to be the big lad and rips off his top and basically starts goading the cops into a fight - was quite hilarious until the cop pulls a gun on the kid! Turns out that even well trained cops can make fecking ridiculously stupid decisions - imagine a barely trained teacher who is under tons of stress. It's asking for trouble.
 
User 72192 said:
well, if we are actually dumb enough to sell AR-15s to ordinary people, we should talk about upgrading the cops' weaponry then. Which is completely dumb to do, but might be necessary. The fact that an officer doesn't enter the crime scene because he's outgunned by a common citizen is unbearable. These guns just create circles of dumbness and why one reaction might be understandable from an isolated point of view, it's pretty clear that it's damaging in the grand scheme.
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Its crazy. No political will combined with a gun culture.

Give you an idea of what bump stocked AR 15 can discharge at:



By the end of it, you too will come to the conclusion that its neither useful for hunting or self-defence/protection
 
Barca84 said:
Let's say it happens and a bunch of "weapons talented teachers" get trained up and issued weapons. How long will it be before the next shooter is Mr Head of Geography and resident gun nut himself?

Saying that I had some teachers back in the day who I reckon could stop a shooter with a board duster to the head from distance anyday. Snipers.
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Its a bit like sports eg football. People can be great and look like Messi or Pele on the training field but the moment they get onto OT, with 76,000 fans screaming at you, you freeze and can barely trap the ball.
The percentage of blue&blue shootings in the WW1 and WW2 is incredibly high.
 
balaks said:
The thought of my child being taught by an armed teacher would be enough for me to move to another country tbh. Absolute fecking madness.
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It's so ridiculous I can't really fathom it. Unfortunately it seems Americans are so accustomed to it that they just get on with it after a couple of days. I mean, it takes teenagers to organize the first real, meaningful widespread reaction/protest (as far as I know). My best bet is that they will keep talking about arming teachers until it people stop paying attention to it, and then it will slowly happen. Starting with arming just those with licenses until it is suddenly expected of every teacher. That's about how much faith I have in the American legislators sponsored by the NRA and American gun culture in general.
 
sglowrider said:
Its crazy. No political will combined with a gun culture.

Give you an idea of what bump stocked AR 15 can discharge at:



By the end of it, you too will come to the conclusion that its neither useful for hunting or self-defence/protection
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That's mental.
 
User 72192 said:
I'm 100% against civil ownership of any sort of AR. I just think, once the US liberated the ARs and people started buying them, they fecked their police with it. And now they're outgunned by civilists, which is really concerning. The pro gun opinion will want to arm the cops heavier to solve this problem. Which is a circle of wrong decisions.
The best longterm solution is a general ban on firearms in the US combined with the possibility to own one for sport and hunting usage. With strong background checks, limited numbers, completely forbidden calibers and gun types, certain storage rules (and checks) and age limits. You have to start at some point to solve this issue, if you really want to adress it, although it seems almost impossible at the very moment. But if I was an american, I'd rather not accept the impossibility to end gun violence in my country, given that I'm a citizen that sent men to moon. What I want to say here, is, that I don't think it's impossible.



This, 100%. It's his job and duty to protect and he failed miserably. If you're signing up for the job, you better be ready to risk your life or leave it up to the people that are willing to do so in life threatening situations.
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Its all too obvious to us but to them its the 'fog of war' -- and making or proposing all the wrong solutions when the most obvious is staring at their fat faces.
 
sglowrider said:
Its crazy. No political will combined with a gun culture.

Give you an idea of what bump stocked AR 15 can discharge at:



By the end of it, you too will come to the conclusion that its neither useful for hunting or self-defence/protection
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Jesus fecking Christ.
 
Just checked online... The bidding for them on GunBroker is starting at an average of $300 right now, with final sale prices ending up between $750-$1000.

They retailed for less than $200 not long ago.
 
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Carolina Red said:
Just checked online... The bidding for them on GunBroker is starting at an average of $300 right now, with final sale prices ending up between $750-$1000.

They retailed for less than $200 not long ago.
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feckheads getting them whilst they can.

Once banned I assume just owning one will be a felony?
 
Rado_N said:
feckheads getting them whilst they can.

Once banned I assume just owning one will be a felony?
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I think the ban will be on the purchase. I don't think a seizure of already owned assault weapons is feasible, yet.

I'd love some measure of insurance. You want to keep your AR? Get it insured. Drain the pockets of these feckers. Make it legal to confiscate uninsured guns.
 
RexHamilton said:
Great stuff. This needs to be a massive movement, led by the youth. Fair play to them.
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Indeed.

What this shows, more than anything, especially with a predicted half a million for the one in Washington in March, is that what trump says, what lapierre says, what rubio says, is irrelevant. They have lost control of the narrative. These kids are now the authors of this story, and unless trump himself along with the NRA and republican senators are going to openly attack children for exercising their 1st amendment rights, they can do nothing about it.

This one is not going away this time, those kids facing up to politicians on TV have shown the rest that they can fight for their lives. It will spread.
 
Rado_N said:
feckheads getting them whilst they can.

Once banned I assume just owning one will be a felony?
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They’ll probably be grandfathered in like AR’s were during the previous ban.
Nogbadthebad said:
This one is not going away this time, those kids facing up to politicians on TV have shown the rest that they can fight for their lives. It will spread.
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My kids were telling me a couple days ago that April 20 is supposed to be a walkout day as well.
 
sglowrider said:
Its a bit like sports eg football. People can be great and look like Messi or Pele on the training field but the moment they get onto OT, with 76,000 fans screaming at you, you freeze and can barely trap the ball.
The percentage of blue&blue shootings in the WW1 and WW2 is incredibly high.
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The whole idea is insane bs and can't happen. There'd be carnage.

RexHamilton said:
Great stuff. This needs to be a massive movement, led by the youth. Fair play to them.
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Nogbadthebad said:
Indeed.

What this shows, more than anything, especially with a predicted half a million for the one in Washington in March, is that what trump says, what lapierre says, what rubio says, is irrelevant. They have lost control of the narrative. These kids are now the authors of this story, and unless trump himself along with the NRA and republican senators are going to openly attack children for exercising their 1st amendment rights, they can do nothing about it.

This one is not going away this time, those kids facing up to politicians on TV have shown the rest that they can fight for their lives. It will spread.
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Agreed. It's been posted here that these kids are powerless but that's just crap. As Alice Walker said "the most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any" and I firmly believe that. Plenty of them will be voting age soon enough.
 
sglowrider said:
Its crazy. No political will combined with a gun culture.

Give you an idea of what bump stocked AR 15 can discharge at:



By the end of it, you too will come to the conclusion that its neither useful for hunting or self-defence/protection
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Semi-automatic guns should be banned too (unless we are talking about security guard). No reason at all for them to be in the hands of civilians.
 
Carolina Red said:
They’ll probably be grandfathered in like AR’s were during the previous ban.

My kids were telling me a couple days ago that April 20 is supposed to be a walkout day as well.
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Stand with them brother! Show your support, they will need it. The GOP and especially the gun nuts are going to go all out against them. The counter protests are already being announced. Unfortunately I think they will gather large support with nearly 5 million NRA members. I just hope it doesn't turn violent as that will only hurt the whole point of the protests and marches.
 
langster said:
The GOP and especially the gun nuts are going to go all out against them. The counter protests are already being announced. Unfortunately I think they will gather large support with nearly 5 million NRA members. I just hope it doesn't turn violent as that will only hurt the whole point of the protests and marches.
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How do you think that will play?

On one side, will be a bunch of kids, plenty of whom are survivors of school shootings. Facing them a bunch of adults brandishing their guns. Imagine of they turn up with the shields and shite they did in Charlotesville (because they will).

The greatest weapon of this particular movement is that its kids. The usual tactics won't work, the gun nuts will just come across as deranged, it will play into the kids story perfectly. Remember, about 70% of all Americans do not own or use guns. In that scenario, who do you think they will back?
 
That is obvious, my point was for the kids safety and they don't want to inadvertently harm their cause. We had riots here in London that started off as a peaceful demonstration about student fees but it descended in to mayhem because a few intent on causing trouble infiltrated the student ranks.

The narrative can quickly change and the point can be completely lost very quickly especially when the media focus switches from peaceful protests. Paid disruptors can cause a shit load of trouble. I just hope they don't get the chance.
 
Barca84 said:
“I want my schools protected just like I want my banks protected,”

In other words to Donnie kids lives are actually as important as money. Wow.

And then if you think about it the analogy is bs. Bank clerks aren't armed.
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Yeah, they're instructed to hand over the money and let the FBI deal with it.
 
langster said:
Stand with them brother! Show your support, they will need it. The GOP and especially the gun nuts are going to go all out against them. The counter protests are already being announced. Unfortunately I think they will gather large support with nearly 5 million NRA members. I just hope it doesn't turn violent as that will only hurt the whole point of the protests and marches.
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Look at the narrative that the NRA is building up:



Its patriotic to own a gun to defend against foreign ideas/philosphies and bought off politicians.
 
Yeah I saw that NRA speech, and that was why I said they need to be careful in my longer reply above. This will get nasty I think, but the winds of change are afoot, I believe in these kids!
 
Fair play to Rubio for showing up and having a conversation. That's what you want from your representatives, I think.
 
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