Wish we'd lost the League Cup semi final to Chelsea now. Then they would've been the ones to lose twice to City and reduced some of the negativity surrounding us.
Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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That's a pretty weird opinion there.
Maybe for teams with more than 3 CMs available who are good at pressing.
We have Pogba Matic and Mctominay playing as 1st choice CMs, I've no idea where Herrera is, who IMO is our best option at pressing teams.
I don't think Pogba Matic and to a lesser extent Mctominay are the best set of CMs to outpress a team like City.
And Spurs and Pool press not only in the midfield but even their attackers press, something our attackers seem incapable of
Sarri.
I know, I was aiming for weirdness
Luis Enrique probably.
Conte not happy with the reaction to the way Chelsea played yesterday. Looked like he sent them out to try and keep the score down more than anything, more or less an admission he knew his team couldn't win.
Quite pathetic if so.
Not really. His strategy was to keep it tight and try to nick a goal. Similar to what they did against Barca. It was a defensive mistake which again led to the goal. Even our game against City was similar. 2 defensive blunders and Lukaku missing easy chances cost us the game. In these games, the players need to work really hard and take the chances that come their way.
Yes it's just handing the 3 points to City in a comfortable way
Nobody wanted to run and nobody believed they could do it so they wanted it to be as painless and over as quickly as possible
Terrible attitude to show, at least give it a go and try to nick a goal on the counter
Absolutely hilarious. Chelsea players taking rounds in criticizing Conte's system week in week out.
Wasn't that Hazard who people keep quoting his quote about Conte set his team offensively better than Mourinho ? The same Hazard that said during Mourinho's reign there that he has transformed him, and now criticizing Conte directly in the media ?
He's a massive hypocrite. Can see him being first on list in downing the tool on getting bored with each manager.
The spirit of Terry, Lampard and Drogba is long gone and Chelsea are finished as a force, no longer able to buy success by simply outspending everyone. Conte’s first season was something of an upset. This season he’s leading them to exactly where they belong in the table. Like Ranieri with Leicester, he’s a victim of his own success.
Hazard is spot on (even though he shouldn't say it in public). Even against Barca, he made this point that he isn't a #9 and he can't win headers. He likes to play alongside striker. Conte in a tough away game made the same mistake again. He played Hazard as a lone striker and he nullified him better than City players could.
It was quick then... boom & bust in one year and half. Can't see why United fans take the upper ground though, United are just dying the same death more slowly and with minor honours, just a Sevillazo away from implosion.
What a strange opinion with zero substance.
No. Club failing to win PL for few years is not death, if so we would have had funerals for Liverpool years back.
What is this weird tactic of playing a false striker and then doing long balls to him?
He didn't do it at Juventus, he used a proper striker in Tevez and played the ball in behind. It feels like he is trying to get himself the sack.
He didn't do it at Juventus, he used a proper striker in Tevez and played the ball in behind. It feels like he is trying to get himself the sack.
You start mind games with Jose, there’s gonna be only one winner there
Plucky relegation threatened Chelsea went to City with a game plan to sit back, look pretty dreadful and maybe just maybe somehow nick a goal. If this were last seasons champions and not some plucky little side it would be pretty pathetic.
Juve fan coming in with no idea what he's talking about defending Conte, shock. Don't you have more pressing concerns such as losing Serie A in a one horse league? Or being unceremoniously being dumped out of Europe by Spurs?
Can't wait for Hazard to feck off to Madrid or somewhere more deserving of his talents. The saltiness from the Chelsea fans who are convinced he's staying will be hilarious.
Conte :
“I think you have to accept every criticism, but I am not so stupid to play against Manchester City open and to lose 3-0 or 4-0.
“If I remember well, two days ago, Arsenal played twice against them and then you criticise a lot (Arsene) Wenger because they concede three goals in only 30 minutes.
“The pundit has to use the head to understand when you speak about tactics because I think you must have knowledge to speak about tactics and not only to speak in a stupid way.”
So is he says his strategy is influenced by the media?
Like you criticized the guy who played open game and conceded three so I'm going to make sure I don't concede no matter what!
That'll really make things interesting... hope it doesn't happen
Interesting. The funny thing is Chelsea and PSG are likely to target the same coaches.
Someone's missed a trick with the thread title, it should read:
They Conte sack him yet, Kante?
They Conte sack him yet, Kante?
I've no idea why you think Chelsea are dying a death unless you started watching football last season. This is without even getting into the bizarre United parallel.
I just can't believe that club who has financial and football experts can do such a bad transfer window like chelsea did this year.
Ok, rudiger, morata and bakayoko were legitimate transfers ( who would know that they all will fail). But zappacosta, barkley, drinkwater, giroud were awful transfers. Every fan knew that from the beggining.
If they finish outside top 4 and they will, they are fecked. Courtouis will leave, hazard will leave, conte....
Ok, rudiger, morata and bakayoko were legitimate transfers ( who would know that they all will fail). But zappacosta, barkley, drinkwater, giroud were awful transfers. Every fan knew that from the beggining.
If they finish outside top 4 and they will, they are fecked. Courtouis will leave, hazard will leave, conte....
Posted the below back in August. They spent too much money on squad players when they gambled on Morata to replace Costa (which was a huge error of judgement imo).
Chelsea had a tough choice of going either for Lukaku or Morata, neither of which are ideal strikers for the club (in my opinion). However, Lukaku has shown far more determination to do well on the pitch than Morata has. The fact that Marina f@@ked around by hesitating on making a proper transfer bid and only acted ( and lost) after Man Utd made a firm offer only leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
I hated Costa, he was a twat of a player. But he was also a handful for teams to deal with, constantly kept the opposition defenders busy with his football or his... cheating. Morata was never going to be a good replacement, I think he'll be better in a few seasons but right now he's suffering from lack of experience and he's got a Manager that has dropped him when he should be doing the opposite and attempting to motivate and guide him.
I still don't think you're totally doomed though as although you have some tricky fixtures in your run in they are at least at home. But I predicted a few weeks back that you'd struggle as you've had a horrendous fixture list lately. The problem you've got is that Liverpool and Spurs have pretty decent fixtures while you've been struggling and as everyone knows at this stage in the season points are crucial as it increases the pressure on the teams chasing.
Lukaku would have been a far better fit for Chelsea than Morata. I have always thought of Lukaku as your usual Chelsea striker, so I was surprised when he ended up with us.
Difference is in mentality. Lukaku is determined to make it as a top striker, he was fuming at being stuck at Everton for awhile and he wants that recognition now he's got his move. Not quite, but almost a Ronaldoesque obsession with improving, although not so much talent.
Morata is technically gifted and though a different mold, I wouldn't say he is inferior to Lukaku in quality. But his mentality is abysmal, he cannot cope with the pressure of being a first choice striker and he also does not seem to like living anywhere but in Spain or Italy. So in the long run, he may not make it at a top club, though it is too early to say and he could very well be banging them in next season when he's used to the conditions.
I have wanted Morata in summer more than Lukaku, but I had been surprised by how his finishing with his legs is crap and most importantly, how he's unwilling to win any physical fight. He's not weak physically, and if he tries he can challenge defenders for each duel, but he doesn't even fecking try! he just throws himself whenever one defender comes close to him and hopes for a foul. He's completely opposite to Costa who looked like he wanted to challenge and bully every defender for the ball. Without aggression you'll never succeed in this league. I have seen strikers with less physicality than Morata showing more aggression.
I think a lot of people have underestimated Costa's quality. Play him to his strengths and the only number 9 who's been clearly better in the last few years is Suarez.
Watching the game yesterday I really wondered why Conte left Hazard on the pitch after it became very apparent in the first half that the latter was generously worded only mildly motivated to play as CF. He still remained there for 30mins in the 2nd half. Was Conte trying to prove a point? Can't make sense out of that one.
Its people like you who say dumb things like this that end up looking foolish later on. Now perhaps your last point was right about Conte being a victim of his own success but thats it. For starters, I wouldn't say we have ever been a force. The closest we came to that was during Mourinho's back to back title winning campaigns and even then the magician that was SAF made sure that United came back stronger and better than ever by relinquishing us of the title. We are no longer blowing everyone out the water with transfer fees but we haven't been doing that for over 5 plus years now. We certainly don't have the financial might of a PSG, City, or even United but we are still able to pay the going rate that most other top teams pay for top players. People said Chelsea would be finished when we ended the season 10th, yet we came back and won the next season. Now it's more likely than not we wont win next year, especially since its highly probable one or both of Courtois and Hazard will be sold but we went 5 years without winning the league between 2010 and 2015 and came back to win 2 of the last 3. This shows we can regroup and challenge because despite the abysmal managerial circle we have, Chelsea is still a high pull for top players and managers and a season or two without CL wont change that.
He has lost the dressing room or atleast the likes of Hazard, Courtois. Both of them have come out with pretty damning statements in the past week or so.
Should it be needed we can always just buy ourselves a title like you did.
First Courtois, then Hazard, seems like Madrid will simply have to splash the cash and they'll be theirs.
That hasn't exactly worked out for United so far (post Fergie).
